dMP2

That is why from the beginning I said it was stupid to debate ideology. You have your value judgments and I have mine, neither of which have anything to do with the facts of the health care debate or what would be the most effective solution. Where you failed in the thread was your inablity to demonstrate any alternative solutions. You were never in a debate with me; you were in a debate with the chasm between your own ideology or your own inability to provide any real solutions. My evidence in that matter is you still don't know a thing about my position.

Run? No, politely stepping out because it is evident that it isn't going anywhere. I have my reasons (which I expressed) for seeing it the way I do and you have yours. Obviously, I think mine are better. Obviously, you think yours are.

After all that fuss, you are going to run away from the discussion?

Okay, never mind. Satya and I cleared it up. Thanks for the help Satya.

You have not been removed from the thread. I cleared any thread bans in the thread just to be sure. Please do answer my questions.

I've been removed from the health care thread. I think (but I'm not sure) it was Satya because he was the thread starter. My last post was for mf. I was going to answer his post, but I can't now. That is rather dishonest of him.

That's rather ironic that he removed me when I'm someone with serious health issues and am at or near the poverty line. How's that for a patronizing liberal? I was about to list several facts for him that weren't "ideological", but he just prevented me. I guess I should just be a good little cripple and jump on board with his "ideology". Maybe this gimp should move to the back of the liberals' bus.

Thanks. I'm an INFJ. I'm not for big government nor socialism. I think being an INFJ and being socialist are orthogonal considering governments tend towards abuse.

Yeah, as an INFJ, I quiet firmly believe that freedom is the best forum for helping people and that it has to be voluntary.

I want to understand Satya's point of view better. Even if he infringes on my freedom of speech at least hopefully I'll understand his views better. Anyway, the health care issues is very important to me and so I'll make a stand even if he subverts it (but hopefully not).

Heyo, I am with you on the healthcare thing and socialism = bad thing. You will find arguing with Satya completely fruitless. After he gets done telling you you are ideological (like its a bad thing) he will ask for impossible evidence, IE evidence from a source HE finds credible (Liberal sources) and if you manage to get passed that he will start dodging you and then eventually resort to using his moderation powers against you.

So be warned.

Also welcome to the forum, nice to see another male INFJ about who doesnt believe that in order to be a good INFJ you have to be a big government socialist. We exist, and people might tell you you arent an INFJ for it, dont listen to them.