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this film is on tv right now
it's stirring me up and i'm feeling all emotional

there are so many things about this film that resonate with me

beautiful cinema
infj to the bone
 
love the soundtrack:mhula:
 
yes...the sound track gives me chills

The beautiful thing about this story is the way that this white man reinvents himself
becoming more fully human, gaining an understanding of his place in nature,

the story is relevant to us today
we are living like slaves, tied down to a system that exploits us

profit driven greedy folks continue to plunder our natural resources

and we support them with our continued devotion to the current system

this is true madness we are witnessing
here we are in the dark ages

what can we do to protest?
make the best of what we've got?

it isn't enough
my conscience pushes me to do more

in the film, John Dunbar separates from his culture
ends up finding more fulfillment living with the Indians

what can we do if we feel our government is completely wrong,
who do we talk to if all our people are sick...

you know...
you begin to see why americans are leaving the country to fight with terrorists
 
Yea, not so entranced with the Western view of Natives myself.
 
I love it, it's one of my alltime favorite films. To me it's very similar to "The Last Samuria" which is perhaps my favorite film. Tu-tunga *puts finger-spikes on head*
 
[MENTION=3096]Sonyab[/MENTION]

As a Native American, in what ways did you find this movie disappointing?
 
The natives view of themselves was much worse than the westerners'.

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Inquisitive said:
@Sonyab

As a Native American, in what ways did you find this movie disappointing?
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As general mythology goes, many of these films have an element of "the great white hope" that I find abrasive. Only as the White Man becomes "savage" does the Indian become human. Of course there is the seemingly strange "love" of being Indian that is expressed which doesn't seem offensive but can be. I find that many times this is expressed in a "gee you are neat", too bad you are too _____(whatever) to help yourself and I the mighty White Man will solve your problems. I suggest Custer Died For your Sins by Vine Deloria for further edification.
 
I suppose he's trying to be clever by calling it an "anticipatory" rip-off.
 
I like the movie too. The idea of going native strikes a chord with me, I don't think I could resist it in most situations.
 
It's a good film :) It gives a reasonable account of the Native American history, as far as I was taught in school, but obviously it has to generalise a lot to make the point the director wanted.
That's why films can't be as good as books in some ways - they can't get into the smaller details.
 
Sonyab said:
As general mythology goes, many of these films have an element of "the great white hope" that I find abrasive. Only as the White Man becomes "savage" does the Indian become human. Of course there is the seemingly strange "love" of being Indian that is expressed which doesn't seem offensive but can be. I find that many times this is expressed in a "gee you are neat", too bad you are too _____(whatever) to help yourself and I the mighty White Man will solve your problems. I suggest Custer Died For your Sins by Vine Deloria for further edification.
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Thank you for the reply and the book recommendation.
 
Sonyab said:
As general mythology goes, many of these films have an element of "the great white hope" that I find abrasive. Only as the White Man becomes "savage" does the Indian become human. Of course there is the seemingly strange "love" of being Indian that is expressed which doesn't seem offensive but can be. I find that many times this is expressed in a "gee you are neat", too bad you are too _____(whatever) to help yourself and I the mighty White Man will solve your problems. I suggest Custer Died For your Sins by Vine Deloria for further edification.
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Have you seen this film recently? I don't see it revolving around the 'great white hope' theme you've suggested.

It's more about people on both sides, each
letting go of their prejudice of foreign cultures.

Also it highlights the fact that we are not living in harmony with nature
as long as we are exploiting earth's resources, as long as we are living in fear.

It's a shame that we fight for such stupid reasons.

It is funny how the white woman in this film comes
straight outta the early 90s with huge teased hair...
Surely, there are some corny aspects of any big production.
I can't speak to how accurately the Indian culture is represented
but overall, I think it is well done.

@YWHY yes, Avatar explores similar themes, but does so with way more cheese.
I saw Avatar once and that was enough for me. I just prefer plain ol' classic film to
our modern day extravagant 3d epics.
 
I never got that film. It was interesting to watch, but did not touch me...On the other hand, I never quite understand that fascination by Amelie, so I might be wrong person to talk about INFJ movie taste...
 
YHWH said:
I am clever, I'm also not delusional and I don't believe in virgin birth, holy doves, and souls burning in an eternity of fire.
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Appearing clever is in the eye of the beholder. Would you like me to stay away from your tender spots from now on?
 
myself said:
Have you seen this film recently? I don't see it revolving around the 'great white hope' theme you've suggested.

It's more about people on both sides, each
letting go of their prejudice of foreign cultures.

Also it highlights the fact that we are not living in harmony with nature
as long as we are exploiting earth's resources, as long as we are living in fear.

It's a shame that we fight for such stupid reasons.

It is funny how the white woman in this film comes
straight outta the early 90s with huge teased hair...
Surely, there are some corny aspects of any big production.
I can't speak to how accurately the Indian culture is represented
but overall, I think it is well done.

@YWHY yes, Avatar explores similar themes, but does so with way more cheese.
I saw Avatar once and that was enough for me. I just prefer plain ol' classic film to
our modern day extravagant 3d epics.
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I would stick with this point. The nomadic culture represented is after contact. The horse didn't exist in North America until after contact. The plains tribes were forced from their woodland home and were not originally nomadic. The idea that tribes didn't have permanent homes nor cultivate the land is erroneous. There are also over 200 tribes within the US and the nomadic plains tribes are just a tiny fraction of them. The largest tribes belong in the Southwest and are vastly different from the way Natives are typically represented. In fact, they are matriarchial.
 
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Sonyab said:
The idea that tribes didn't have permanent homes nor cultivate the land is erroneous. There are also over 200 tribes within the US and the nomadic plains tribes are just a tiny fraction of them. The largest tribes belong in the Southwest and are vastly different from the way Natives are typically represented. In fact, they are matriarchial.
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Thanks, tha fact is that history of Natives sent to world is rather fake when you explain it in usual "western" way. I am European and I like your point of view. History is always written by "winners" I guess. Too shame that people are so unaware of the fact that history can be very changable thing.
 
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