Freud, an ISTJ?
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It's not like sensors are incapable of abstraction
His writing and approach did lean more on the technical and specific
He was certainly more of a classical scientist than Jung
That all said though, I've really no idea with any level of certainty
Socionics has its own issues but this guy outlines a more reasonable orientation to Si/Typology
His writing and approach did lean more on the technical and specific
He was certainly more of a classical scientist than Jung
That all said though, I've really no idea with any level of certainty
Socionics has its own issues but this guy outlines a more reasonable orientation to Si/Typology
Preferences, not abilities, and all that....
Thanks, I'll have a look.
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I'm not a big fan of Freud. He had preconceived ideas and then did research to support those ideas, throwing out anything that didn't fit...which isn't very scientific. He wasn't wrong about everything, but he seemed misguided about some key beliefs he held, especially concerning sexuality. Psychoanalysis works for some and exacerbates issues for others.
Considering so many people claim he lacked empirical evidence, discarded any "evidence" that did not match his claims, and accused those who disagreed with him of being mentally ill, I'm not sure he was straightforward enough with his temperament to accurately assess his MBTI. His life seems full of curtains, hiding what he didn't want others to see and revealing or emphasizing calculated information. It seems like he wanted people to perceive him as more scientific than he truly was.
...I'm a bigger fan of Jung, which seems obvious because I'm on a MBTI board.
...Tried to watch that YT video. That man is extremely annoying, so I had to stop. LOL.
Freud's probably going to come after me for this. LOL.
Considering so many people claim he lacked empirical evidence, discarded any "evidence" that did not match his claims, and accused those who disagreed with him of being mentally ill, I'm not sure he was straightforward enough with his temperament to accurately assess his MBTI. His life seems full of curtains, hiding what he didn't want others to see and revealing or emphasizing calculated information. It seems like he wanted people to perceive him as more scientific than he truly was.
...I'm a bigger fan of Jung, which seems obvious because I'm on a MBTI board.
...Tried to watch that YT video. That man is extremely annoying, so I had to stop. LOL.
Freud's probably going to come after me for this. LOL.
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Freud was an extremely smart man and brought some solid concepts to the field of psychology. Many of these concepts are good predictors of human behavior but they lack some overarching cohesiveness which makes the tools difficult to use effectively - IMO. That said, his work has provided tremendous value to the psychological community and as new related discoveries have emerged, we are gaining a better understanding of psychology and psychoanalysis.
I’ve come to believe that psychology as a whole can’t be narrowed down to a few tools that can help us. The human mind is like the stock market, we can evaluate and respond but just when we believe we have it figured out the entire thing self adjusts and becomes something different. As technology advances, the self adjustments appear to accelerate to a point where the tail is wagging the dog.
interesting facts:
- Freud consumed an unimaginable quantity of cocaine. He also had a portion of his jaw removed [and replaced with a prosthesis], due to oral cancer - likely from smoking all those cigars.
- His daughter became a prominent psychoanalyst.
- His nephew, Edward Bernays, went to the US and provided consulting services on public relations, propaganda and business marketing / advertising. He became a prominent figure in these fields and quite wealthy.
I’ve come to believe that psychology as a whole can’t be narrowed down to a few tools that can help us. The human mind is like the stock market, we can evaluate and respond but just when we believe we have it figured out the entire thing self adjusts and becomes something different. As technology advances, the self adjustments appear to accelerate to a point where the tail is wagging the dog.
interesting facts:
- Freud consumed an unimaginable quantity of cocaine. He also had a portion of his jaw removed [and replaced with a prosthesis], due to oral cancer - likely from smoking all those cigars.
- His daughter became a prominent psychoanalyst.
- His nephew, Edward Bernays, went to the US and provided consulting services on public relations, propaganda and business marketing / advertising. He became a prominent figure in these fields and quite wealthy.
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Yes there's interesting links between Freud's theories, via Bernays, and consumer capitalism, modern marketing etc. Quality responses as usual. From Asa's comments I see how some in the Enneagram community typed him as a Six rather than a Five. I haven't really read him. Maybe I throw the baby out with the bathwater but I was never instinctively drawn to him. He seemed to stretch some concepts too far and they seemed a bit clumsy as a result... or something. And yet the far-reaching commercial effectiveness of Bernay's interpretations of him suggests Freud may have been on the mark in some respects.
I just posted the thread as an example of an ISTJ outlier; my self-typing quest continues. In fits and starts.
And spasms.
I just posted the thread as an example of an ISTJ outlier; my self-typing quest continues. In fits and starts.
And spasms.
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Freud feels a bit like Columbus to me. He set sail across the Atlantic driven by a very rich idea that was actually wrong, fired by emotions as much as concept, and reached somewhere that wasn't where he thought it was. Despite all that - or more likely because of it - he changed the world, though it was the people who came after him that sorted out what he'd really done, built on it and put it into solid theoretical and practical footings. That's really pretty typical of all human innovation - look at the electrical energy technology we have today, built on top of Faraday's explorations in the earlier 19th Century.
I haven't read much that Freud wrote himself, and my sense of him as a person is through Jung's autobiography. That's probably not the best place to find evidence of his type, given the fireworks between them! I don't know about ISTJ, but when he became established as an authority he certainly embodied a Parent / Superego archetype as far as I can see, and that tangled up with his ideas about the role of sex in human psychology. There's a lot of intuition in there to my mind as it needed a synthesis of existing knowledge and a leap of imagination to create a brand new and plausible theory out of it. But then it needed a thick skin, dogged determination, exercise of authority and an ability to inspire others and gain their support, loyalty even, to turn this into a success. It's hard for us to imagine now how unsavoury and disreputable this sort of concept would have been in the days when he first championed it. I can well imagine that INTJ would have been consistent with creating the theory, but ISTJ would have been consistent with his becoming the godfather of psychology in later life.
I haven't read much that Freud wrote himself, and my sense of him as a person is through Jung's autobiography. That's probably not the best place to find evidence of his type, given the fireworks between them! I don't know about ISTJ, but when he became established as an authority he certainly embodied a Parent / Superego archetype as far as I can see, and that tangled up with his ideas about the role of sex in human psychology. There's a lot of intuition in there to my mind as it needed a synthesis of existing knowledge and a leap of imagination to create a brand new and plausible theory out of it. But then it needed a thick skin, dogged determination, exercise of authority and an ability to inspire others and gain their support, loyalty even, to turn this into a success. It's hard for us to imagine now how unsavoury and disreputable this sort of concept would have been in the days when he first championed it. I can well imagine that INTJ would have been consistent with creating the theory, but ISTJ would have been consistent with his becoming the godfather of psychology in later life.