Othering

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http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Othering
a.k.a how we used languages to explicitly and implicitly create separations. Men and Women, Cisgender and Transgender, Straight and Gay and Bisexual, Black and White and Brown and Yellow and Green, INFJs and Non-INFJs...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other#Othering_and_Imperialism >> It's also an interesting read.
Edward Said quotes the following from Nietzsche,[SUP][5][/SUP] saying what is the truth of language but
. . . a mobile army of metaphors, metonyms, and anthropomorphisms—in short, a sum of human relations, which have been enhanced, transposed, and embellished poetically and rhetorically, and which after long use seem firm, canonical, and obligatory to a people: truths are illusions about which one has forgotten that this is what they are.[SUP][6][/SUP]


What do you think?

(also, would you say it's a Fe concept, or a Te concept?)
 
On a broad level, societies with a conquer/subjugation bent must create the "us' and "them" model. One might say it is a peculiar byproduct of greed and competition for resources. Certainly when one holds the means of production and one does not, there is disparity. More importantly, or so it is said, it enables the person with the means of production to create surplus which creates wealth. There are then the "have" and the "have nots". When we compete this way, we seem to have modeled this society that is more concerned with status which creates all sort of categories of people.

On an interpersonal level. How would you define yourself if not for the Other? We are born of the Other but connected. Is it not our purpose as infants to separate ourselves from a helpless state of connection? Have you ever seen an infant discover their foot? To see them understand that this "our' foot and not connected to anybody else? This is mine and that is yours. It is the balance of the connection and the separation that is difficult master. It is the constant comparison to the Other that will blind you to the truth of yourself as an indivdual. That it IS your foot on the path, not the Other's foot.

I think it is just a normal part of being a social creature. We seek to define and organize. To understand where we belong. Like anything it has it's good points and it's bad. I know who I am and where I come from-I have my tribal identity. There are less than 5000 Quinaults in the world--we are a "them" to you and you are a "them" to us. Just because it separates us from you, doesn't mean it has to divide us.
 
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On a broad level, societies with a conquer/subjugation bent must create the "us' and "them" model. One might say it is a peculiar byproduct of greed and competition for resources. Certainly when one holds the means of production and one does not, there is disparity. More importantly, or so it is said, it enables the person with the means of production to create surplus which creates wealth. There are then the "have" and the "have nots". When we compete this way, we seem to have modeled this society that is more concerned with status which creates all sort of categories of people.
It is, I suppose; one reason for why it exists in the first place;
to create an Other; which implied an existence of "Us", like you said.
However in a way, the concept of 'other' does exist in different dimensions except possession and resources; social, community; no matter what the belief system, political ideology, or aggressiveness are; there was always the 'Other' within a community; under any disguises.

I actually began to ponder;
In the end and at the beginning, what is it for?
Is it as you said; greed? Disparity?
To create competition?
To protect the status quo?
To gather and focus the support and effort of the community towards one big enemy?
To tighten the community? Creating an invisible link of 'protection' against an enemy; invisible or not, imaginary or real?
On an interpersonal level. How would you define yourself if not for the Other? We are born of the Other but connected. Is it not our purpose as infants to separate ourselves from a helpless state of connection? Have you ever seen an infant discover their foot? To see them understand that this "our' foot and not connected to anybody else? This is mine and that is yours. It is the balance of the connection and the separation that is difficult master. It is the constant comparison to the Other that will blind you to the truth of yourself as an indivdual. That it IS your foot on the path, not the Other's foot.
This, I agreed.
At least the ideas that psychologists have postulated does sounds like this Otherness is something natural, if not celebrated.
It is when the Otherness is twisted, turned into some sort of evil; of wickedness to judge, to banish, to fight...that it gets problematic.

I wonder, what would happen if this concept of Otherness disappears.
Will world peace come, when people came in understanding of each other; where everyone is part of "Us", instead of "Them"?
Or will we become a hive mind instead; parts of a whole?

I think it is just a normal part of being a social creature. We seek to define and organize. To understand where we belong. Like anything it has it's good points and it's bad. I know who I am and where I come from-I have my tribal identity. There are less than 5000 Quinaults in the world--we are a "them" to you and you are a "them" to us. Just because it separates us from you, doesn't mean it has to divide us.
Very, very true.
You've offered a truly great and understanding opinions on Othering; yes, it happens, but it doesn't mean it's -always- bad.
It's nice to be reminded of that.

(Or was it me who sees only the bad examples?)
 
@Trifolium

Hm, I think that has to be Other if we are individuals. Contrary we would be Borg (and asimilated:) Actually, you can't define something without opposition...
As for language and its use as boundaries maker...I think that too much strict definition can cause problems. Don't get me wrong, I like precise language, I like to have determined terms when I think. But it should be first step in understanding. Not the end.
 
I thought the term Othering is meant to only describe the negative aspects of dividing us and them so that we can oppress the other and therefore benefit in some way?
 
"Othering" is natural. Definition is found first through contrast then by assimilation once one standard has risen above the rest via popularity. It's a very sketchy process with a lot of holes - not least among them subjective relativity and political injustice - that makes objective precision and communication very valuable. Applied sociology, in a nutshell.

(Or something like all that.)
 
I was reading an article on empathy, how hive creating insects will auto assist any of their brothers and sisters when they are in danger, sometimes carrying their wounded back to the hive so they have a better chance of healing. In the case of ants, should the ants not recover, they will be put in a graveyard-- the fungus growing on them will be used to feed the colony/the queen. The ant's ability to sense the pain of its kind is deeply ingrained in its behavior. There is no 'Other' when you're an ant-- they are far more united and naturally empathic than human beings. Creating 'others' leads to intolerance and separation, it decreases empathy. I'd be curious to do more explorations into insect empathy--- very interesting.
 
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