Reincarnation, I think everyone should check this out

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Dr. Ian Stevenson is a professor who's written books on reincarnation, only difference between him and other people who believe in reincarnation is that his work is thoroughly and rigorously researched. Fascinating stuff, check these three links out.

1) http://www.virginia.edu/insideuva/2001/03/stevenson.html

2) amazon book reviews on one of his many books on reincarnation (you can check out the others)

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0813908728/?tag=infjs-20

3) Four year old boy as a World War II Pilot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG4HOobuQCo

 

[Kgal]

Dr. Ian Stevenson is a professor who's written books on reincarnation, only difference between him and other people who believe in reincarnation is that his work is thoroughly and rigorously researched. Fascinating stuff, check these three links out.

1) http://www.virginia.edu/insideuva/2001/03/stevenson.html

2) amazon book reviews on one of his many books on reincarnation (you can check out the others)

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0813908728/?tag=infjs-20

3) Four year old boy as a World War II Pilot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG4HOobuQCo

This article showed up in my facebook feed today. This man is following in Dr. Stevenson's footsteps. Tucker is concentrating on only American cases to eliminate a possible bias from other cultures who believe in reincarnation. Very cool story of young boy. http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/742...ywood-schmoozing-with-stars-details-verified/

"Why He Returned

Many of the children who seem to recall their past lives died in distress.

“Ryan said the reason he had to come back was that he didn’t spend enough time with his family in his last life;
he worked so much that he forgot that love was the most important thing,” Dr. Tucker wrote."
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[MENTION=5045]Skarekrow[/MENTION]

 

[Eventhorizon]

Yeah... for me this is about as scary as you can get.

 

[Kgal]

Yeah... for me this is about as scary as you can get.

Why?

 

[Skarekrow]

There is so much good proof out there!!
People don’t even know…to ignore the evidence is to purposefully choose to remain ignorant.
Here’s a good link for you all - http://noetic.org/search/?q=reincarnation

 

[Skarekrow]

Yeah... for me this is about as scary as you can get.

Here’s the thing…you make that choice to come back each time…you can only blame yourself….lol.

 

[Kgal]

Here’s the thing…you make that choice to come back each time…you can only blame yourself….lol.

But here's the other thing...

Blame is not part of this at all. We are energetic beings choosing to inhabit a human body for a time. Hopefully we experience the "curriculum" we signed up for....and we learn what we set out to learn.

Each time we come back is our choice....It's as simple as that.

 

[Skarekrow]

But here's the other thing...

Blame is not part of this at all. We are energetic beings choosing to inhabit a human body for a time. Hopefully we experience the "curriculum" we signed up for....and we learn what we set out to learn.

Each time we come back is our choice....It's as simple as that.

Well sure…but then I can’t taunt [MENTION=8603]Eventhorizon[/MENTION] with it...

 

[Skarekrow]

Here is one of my favorite articles and videos about reincarnation…interestingly enough, this supports what quantum physicists are saying about our universe possibly being a hologram.


Did Science Just Prove Reincarnation? A Look At The Soul’s Journey After “Death”

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Dr. Michael Newton’s case study compilation paints a picture of the journey our soul takes between lives.

Science and spirituality have split the public`s opinions on the matter of reincarnation.

The two sides are evident; science proponents believe biological death to be the absolute end of our human experience, whereas spiritualists believe that our bodies are physical vessels for an eternal energetic aspect of our consciousness called the soul, which implants itself into a new body after the previous body has died.

Many popular religions, such as Christianity and Catholicism, also refute the idea of reincarnation because it contradicts the belief systems within the theologies which state that there is a place where sinners go after death called “Hell” and a place where the devoted go called “Heaven”.

It becoming knowledge that the major religions were used as a control mechanism to manipulate the masses through the use of fear.
It wasn’t until around the 17th century when science began to influence people’s belief systems due to the continued development of the scientific method and advancements with the laws of nature.

This system challenged any truth that had no physical proof, and so began science’s dominance in human society.
The scientific systems that were established provided many innovations and advancements for the human race, but there were still many questions that could not be answered by the scientific community such as various paranormal phenomena and other impossible ‘miracles’ in nature.

The 20th century ignited a new wave of science that dealt with the exploration of consciousness, psychedelics, and paranormal psychology that collectively aimed to connect the spiritual and scientific communities.

Instances of near death and out-of-body experiences during which people were consciously aware, after being declared clinically dead, began to test the hard facts that science had previously established.

Today these cases are still widely reported and there are remarkable similarities between the reports all over the world.
Dr. Pim van Lommel, a cardiologist in the Netherlands, conducted the largest hospital-based study of NDEs (Near Death Experiences), years after hearing a patient report seeing a tunnel, a light, and beautiful colors and hearing wonderful music during a clinical death in 1969.

Dr. Lommel was inspired to research the matter further after hearing a detailed near death experience of someone who had been clinically dead for six minutes.“After reading [this] book I started to interview my patients who had survived a cardiac arrest.

To my great surprise, within two years about fifty patients told me about their NDE…. So, in 1988 we started a prospective study of 344 consecutive survivors of cardiac arrest in ten Dutch hospitals…. 62 patients (18%) reported some recollection of the time of clinical death…. About 50% of the patients with an NDE reported awareness of being dead, or had positive emotions, 30% reported moving through a tunnel, had an observation of a celestial landscape, or had a meeting with deceased relatives. About 25% of the patients with an NDE had an out-of-body experience, had communication with ‘the light’ or observed colours, 13% experienced a life review, and 8% experienced a border…. Patients with a NDE did not show any fear of death, they strongly believed in an afterlife, and their insight in what is important in life had changed: love and compassion for oneself, for others, and for nature.

They now understood the cosmic law that everything one does to others will ultimately be returned to oneself: hatred and violence as well as love and compassion.

Remarkably, there was often evidence of increased intuitive feelings.” (David Wilcock’s ‘The Synchronicity Key: The Hidden Intelligence Guiding the Universe and You’)Evidence of life after death continued to rise with the ground-breaking addition of work from hypnotherapists such as Dolores Cannon, Dr. Ian Stevenson and Dr. Michael Newton.

With over 50 years of client-session information documenting people’s subconscious memories of past lives and even memories of the time in between two lives, something has to be said about evidence from the doctor’s research supporting reincarnation.

Dr. Newton explains that people under hypnosis are not dreaming or hallucinating– and in this state they are not capable of lying.
They report whatever they see and hear in their subconscious minds as if everything is a literal observation.

While under hypnosis, it is possible for them to misinterpret something they are seeing, but they will not report on anything they do not feel to be the literal truth.“I also found that it did not matter if a person was an atheist, deeply religious, or believed in any philosophical persuasion in between– once they were in the proper superconscious state of hypnosis, all were consistent in their reports….” Dr. Newton in David Wilcock’s ‘The Synchronicity Key: The Hidden Intelligence Guiding the Universe and You’.

[video=youtube;Fk3s40UnoDE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Fk3s40UnoDE[/video]
^^ Dr. Michael Newton discussing how past-life regression became a part of his practice^^

Interestingly, Dr. Newton also reported that many clients were hesitant to reveal too much about their time between lives, almost as if they were following a universal code of ethics of sorts, where the information was not supposed to be revealed to mankind for a reason.

Over the years Dr. Newton noted similarities among client’s descriptions, ultimately putting together a picture of the process that our soul goes through from the moment we ‘die’ to the moment we are ‘reborn’.

These are the stages that he described:

1.) Death and departure — Most clients recall looking down at their body and seeing people mourning over their death.
Some people reported staying around their loved ones until after their funeral.
During this time clients could feel a pull towards a light, and described a tunnel of sorts to get there.

2.) Gateway to the spirit world — This is the stage where clients report moving through the tunnel and reaching the light at the end.
Location of the tunnel varies, as some say it appears right above their bodies and others say they have to travel above the Earth to reach it.
After reaching the end of the tunnel clients almost always describe in varying ways beautiful visions, music, and scenery.
Dr. Newton suggests that these images are beloved memories from our lives, to help give a feeling of familiarity during such an overwhelming process.
Younger souls may feel sad or confused during this time, and it’s reported that their guides will come to assist and comfort.

3.) Homecoming — Here we are greeted by souls who are close to us.
They appear as luminous beings who sometimes project faces of people who are still ‘alive’ in a physicality because our souls only project a certain percentage of itself into the physical body, so there will always be a part of the soul existing in the spirit realm.
During this stage the soul begins to remember more about the afterlife and also their previous lives, feeling more at ease with the process.
Souls which have committed murder or suicide will analyze their actions with their guide and decide on an appropriate path to begin almost immediately.

4.) Orientation — During the orientation stage a soul will shed any regret/doubt/sadness/traumatic memories from its previous life by going through what clients describe as a ‘shower of light’.
This renews the soul’s vibrancy and restores it to its original vibration.
Afterwards, we discuss with our guide everything that has happened in our life and decide whether or not we lived up to our expectations about how we dealt with those incidents and if the lessons need to be repeated in the next life.

5.) Transition — After we have completed our light shower and have worked through our previous life, we then move onto what most describe as the most breathtaking visions of the entire journey.
Here we see a mega-hub of souls at the same stage, all moving through beautiful tunnels of light to their destination.
Clients describe this moment as exciting because there is no darkness, just pure light, and we are also on our way to meet up with our soul family, souls who are at a similar stage in their evolution and who we shared lives with.
Once we meet up with these souls, we usually compare experiences and learn from each other.
These are souls that we keep reincarnating with over and over again, playing various roles with each other such as partners, brothers/sisters, parents, children, etc.
Sometimes souls will be present but dimmer and quieter than others, and that is because they are still projecting a physicality at that moment.
Another crucial aspect of this stage is to meet a grand counsel that oversees our previous life, going into more detail about the experiences and lessons learned.

6.) Placement — This stage is almost like a school where larger groups of soul families (up to thousands) who incarnate around each other in cycles learn about their previous experiences.
Here clients report projecting into specific scenes from their previous life and into other people’s minds to gain a full understanding of the larger picture.
Here we feel what others felt to learn how we hurt people in certain situations.
This stage can also see the larger soul groups connecting in circles, sharing more ideas, singing, and experiencing other joyful events.

7.) Life selection — During this stage we move to a large sphere of light where we then choose our next life path.
We are able to see multiple paths and are able to temporarily project into these lives to feel which one would be most appropriate.
We also have the ability to fast forward through the timelines to see critical events that will happen.
Some souls will choose greater challenges to experience such as a disability or premature death.

8.) Choosing a new body - This process is a part of the previous life selection stage, but has a separate categorization because it focuses on the physical appearance that we will possess in the next life.
This choice vastly affects our experience, so it usually takes much thought as to what it will be.
If you were obese in one life, chances are you will choose to be skinny the next, etc.

9.) Preparation and embarkation — After choosing our life path, next we meet up with our soul group, the people who will play roles in the next life, to do extensive planning and to create synchronicities and cues that will guide us throughout our life.
Higher-level guides also help to plan out specific symbols we will see or hear that will trigger certain thoughts and actions at specific times.
After the synchronicities are decided, we once again meet with a counsel to go over our goals and plans for the next life.
This meeting is also to encourage us to have patience, to hold true to our values, to trust ourselves in the midst of difficult situations, and to avoid indulging in anger and negativity.

10.) Rebirth — Clients report traveling back to Earth through the same tunnel they left in, entering the mother’s womb.
Until the age of 5, the soul is able to leave the baby’s body to travel and meet up with other souls if it wishes, but will snap back to the body if the baby is in any turmoil.
During the first few years the soul will work to integrate its energy with the brain.

This outline of our experience between lives is based on decades worth of research, and like Dr. Newton and other hypnotherapists state, clients under such hypnotic states will never lie and will only describe what they are actually seeing.

How is it that almost everyone who undergoes hypnotherapy or who have NDE or OOB experiences, regardless of whatever religious or cultural background they come from, report such similar experiences?

Could it be merely coincidental?
How is it that people recall these kinds of experiences after being declared clinically dead?

These are the sorts of questions that can only be answered by the assimilation of science and spirituality.
In the years to come we will witness more of this conjunction between two seemingly unrelated spectrums, which will ultimately bring us closer to an understanding of life, death, and consciousness like never understood before.

References:

1.) Lommel, Pim van. “About the Continuity of Our Consciousness,” in Brain Death and Disorders of Consciousness, ed. C. Machado and D. A. Shewmon (New York: Kluwer Academic/Plenum Publishers, 2004); Advances in Experimental Medicine and Biology (2004) 550: 115-132, http://iands.org/research/important...l-md-continuity-of-consciousness.html?start=2.

2.) Newton, Michael. Journey of Souls: New Case Studies of Life Between Lives (Woodbury, MN: Llewellyn Publications, 1994), p. 2; http://spiritualregression.org/.

3.) Wilcock, David. The Synchronicity Key: The Hidden Intelligence Guiding the Universe and You (Part II, chapter 8: Mapping Out the Afterlife). Penguin Group US. Kindle Edition.

And the link to this article - http://www.collective-evolution.com...tion-a-look-at-the-souls-journey-after-death/

 

[Korg]

Sometimes I wonder if the tunnel of light, welcoming angels and other features of the typical NDE are just demonic spirits masquerading as holy beings; tempting souls towards them until there is no ability to return to life. Once it's too late, they reveal themselves for what they are.

Who's to say we're not just like naive children being lured into a van, driven by some cosmic pedophile who uses 'loving light' instead of lolipops? I'm going to be really mad if I get cornholed by Lucifer for all of eternity.

 

[Skarekrow]

Sometimes I wonder if the tunnel of light, welcoming angels and other features of the typical NDE are just demonic spirits masquerading as holy beings; tempting souls towards them until there is no ability to return to life. Once it's too late, they reveal themselves for what they are.

Who's to say we're not just like naive children being lured into a van, driven by some cosmic pedophile who uses 'loving light' instead of lolipops? I'm going to be really mad if I get cornholed by Lucifer for all of eternity.

Well if you believe in the classical idea of a “ghost” being a lost soul and not just a blip in the fabric of reality or something else…then I would say it is wholly possible that what you say is true.
There are actually quite few religions and region around the world that have stories of such “demons” or “ghosts”…whatever you wish to call them.
In the Buddhist religion there is such a thing as a Hungry Ghost (if you don’t make it out of the bardos)...This spiritual realm of those who committed excessive amounts of evil deeds and who are obsessed with finding food and drink (or money, material things, etc.) which they cannot experience and thus remain unsatisfied and tortured by the experience. They exhaust themselves in the constant fruitless searching.

Here’s an except -

1. Buddhist and NDE Correlations

The Tibetan account of the first bardo after death shows striking parallels with the near-death experiences of people who have died, experienced themselves floating out of their bodies, having what appears to be real afterlife events, and then being revived.

The second bardo is an experience with divine entities which parallels near-death accounts where a person experiences visions of heaven, hell, and judgment.
Scholars have also been interested in the parallels between the psychedelic and psychotic states, and experiences of "astral projection."

The third bardo involving the reincarnation of a person's karmic energy by choosing and entering a new body to be born agrees with many near-death accounts that affirm reincarnation.

The purpose behind the Buddhist bardo states after death is to provide the dying an opportunity to become enlightened and attain Buddha-hood, or if enlightenment is not attained, to secure a favorable rebirth.

As it is with Buddhism, the goal to be attained during near-death experiences is to become one with God.
Experiencers have described this as a "merging" process and "becoming God."
This loss of ego and at-one-ment aspect involved in near-death experiences and the Buddhist bardo journey are identical.

The most remarkable correlation between Buddhism and near-death accounts is the encounter with a divine light.
Buddhists refer to this light as the "Clear White Light" and the Tibetan Book of the Dead's description of it is remarkably similar to the Being of light in near-death experiences.

Buddhists believe this light to be the light from all the enlightened ones which is indistinguishable from true essence of everyone.
As it is with Buddhism, near-death experiences have described this light in the same way.

For example, Mellen-Thomas Benedict saw the light change into various personalities such as Jesus and Buddha.
Other experiencers affirm the light to be everyone and everything.

Encounters with beings of light and darkness described in near-death experiences can be found in the "peaceful" and "wrathful" deities encountered in the Buddhist afterlife.

At some point in the bardo states, many of the karmic essences of individuals feel a desire, a "pull", to return to the physical world.
This phenomenon also appears in many near-death accounts when the individual is given a choice to stay or return and this choice results in the individual returning from the near-death condition.

Also, as it is with Buddhism, near-death experiences support the concept of reincarnation.

The number of days (forty-nine) given in the Tibetan Book of the Dead is likely symbolic, although the Tibetans themselves, like all people who are strict religionists, interpret it literally.

The comparison between the Tibetan and Egyptian Books of the Dead, Taoism, and Kabbalistic conceptions, also reveals similarities. All of them with the exception of Tibetan Buddhism view the soul as composition of elemental components that separates after death; each component entering into its own world.

Tibetan Buddhism describes an aspect of the human personality passing through a number of different afterlife bardo experiences.

 

[Eventhorizon]

Hmmm I think there is a lot of speculation going on about this. "You chose to come back" for instance. Now, nice idea but complete speculation. Im going to go out on a limb and say if this is possible and if I feel like an old soul (and I do) I made the choice to come back. However I know that I would never do this. Theres is only one reason I would ever do it and if that reason is true, it means for all intents I am living in hell. I would come back only to break boredom if I could not die instead. [MENTION=2578]Kgal[/MENTION] has mentioned people come back for love. Again nice idea but if everyone dies and goes to the same place, why not explore love there rather than here? Just as easy and simple.

Now dont get me wrong, there are things here that I like perhaps even love. None of it though is worth dealing with some of the people that exist though. PLUS, if I did come back I wouldn't give up my memory. Giving up my memory means someone else has put rules in place. I wouldnt listen to anything that thinks they have the right to tell me what I can and cant do.

Its a nice comforting thought for some im sure but not for me. Ill not stop anyone from doing what they wish but NOTHING will tell me what I can or cant do. If it, they or whatever tries, I will destroy it or make it my existences worth to put every effort i have toward it.

So theres that.

 

[Eventhorizon]

Why?

I am not fond of this place. Not enough anyway to ever come back. Which means that if I have, its not by choice. This is one version of hell I have imagined.

 

[Skarekrow]

Hmmm I think there is a lot of speculation going on about this. "You chose to come back" for instance. Now, nice idea but complete speculation. Im going to go out on a limb and say if this is possible and if I feel like an old soul (and I do) I made the choice to come back. However I know that I would never do this. Theres is only one reason I would ever do it and if that reason is true, it means for all intents I am living in hell. I would come back only to break boredom if I could not die instead. @Kgal has mentioned people come back for love. Again nice idea but if everyone dies and goes to the same place, why not explore love there rather than here? Just as easy and simple.

Now dont get me wrong, there are things here that I like perhaps even love. None of it though is worth dealing with some of the people that exist though. PLUS, if I did come back I wouldn't give up my memory. Giving up my memory means someone else has put rules in place. I wouldnt listen to anything that thinks they have the right to tell me what I can and cant do.

Its a nice comforting thought for some im sure but not for me. Ill not stop anyone from doing what they wish but NOTHING will tell me what I can or cant do. If it, they or whatever tries, I will destroy it or make it my existences worth to put every effort i have toward it.

So theres that.

But we can’t say for sure that who we are here on Earth in this lifetime and this body and this experience is the same person we are when all is revealed to us and we have no ignorance about the who, what, why, and when of everything.
Perhaps there are reasons why we come back here that we don’t understand or cannot understand…or maybe we don’t have a choice…this is something that we will all get to see for ourselves if this is what happens though….so it won’t be a mystery forever.

 

[Eventhorizon]

But we can’t say for sure that who we are here on Earth in this lifetime and this body and this experience is the same person we are when all is revealed to us and we have no ignorance about the who, what, why, and when of everything.
Perhaps there are reasons why we come back here that we don’t understand or cannot understand…or maybe we don’t have a choice…this is something that we will all get to see for ourselves if this is what happens though….so it won’t be a mystery forever.

Right. Its like religion, you cant say what its not and as a result you cant say what it is either.

I get it trust me. All I originally said was the idea scares me.

 

[Kgal]

I am not fond of this place. Not enough anyway to ever come back. Which means that if I have, its not by choice. This is one version of hell I have imagined.

Sounds logical to me. :nod:

I have been wondering about what the boy told Dr. Tucker as his reason for returning. I find it interesting it's in keeping with the teachings I've been exposed to over the years...no matter the venue. Even as an atheist I practiced compassion and love. Learning how to meditate in Buddhist Vipassana methods strengthened it in me.

Here I am having been an atheist engineer who practiced Buddhism morphing into include the Energy paradigm into those other belief systems. I still don't believe in a god. I still incorporate Buddhist teachings and do it every day all day. These abilities have served me well and dovetail neatly into the Energy Paradigm.

Reincarnation becomes logical when you look at the fact all of nature erodes and decomposes and morphs into something else....again and again. We are of nature....just like everything else on this planet...Yes? Everything is always evolving. You don't really know how you might decide to choose the next time around - IF - there is one. For all you know - you have learned the value of Love in a human life - and there will be no need for you to consider returning. To me... I see love in you.

Namste'

 

[Eventhorizon]

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Sounds logical to me. :nod:

I have been wondering about what the boy told Dr. Tucker as his reason for returning. I find it interesting it's in keeping with the teachings I've been exposed to over the years...no matter the venue. Even as an atheist I practiced compassion and love. Learning how to meditate in Buddhist Vipassana methods strengthened it in me.

Here I am having been an atheist engineer who practiced Buddhism morphing into include the Energy paradigm into those other belief systems. I still don't believe in a god. I still incorporate Buddhist teachings and do it every day all day. These abilities have served me well and dovetail neatly into the Energy Paradigm.

Reincarnation becomes logical when you look at the fact all of nature erodes and decomposes and morphs into something else....again and again. We are of nature....just like everything else on this planet...Yes? Everything is always evolving. You don't really know how you might decide to choose the next time around - IF - there is one. For all you know - you have learned the value of Love in a human life - and there will be no need for you to consider returning. To me... I see love in you.

Namste'

Hmmmm....
Maybe this maybe that. All speculation and all what people want to believe.

Interesting idea. Not one I am fond of.

 

[Korg]

Here I am having been an atheist engineer who practiced Buddhism morphing into include the Energy paradigm into those other belief systems. I still don't believe in a god. I still incorporate Buddhist teachings and do it every day all day. These abilities have served me well and dovetail neatly into the Energy Paradigm.

What kind of engineer were you?

It sounds like you still consider yourself an atheist ("I still don't believe in a god.") - is that correct? There's still a lot of room along the continuum of belief, which is why I'm clarifying.

What do you mean by 'energy'?

 

[Eventhorizon]

[MENTION=2578]Kgal[/MENTION] and others who care to comment. What is your definition of a god? Something that has more power over its environment than you? Something that has more knowledge or understanding than you....

If we look at the Christian and Catholic god, this god created everything we know but there is good evidence its possible we may have been created by other humans in what would seem like our future but would really be their present. Does that make them our god? What is a "god"?

 

[Skarekrow]

@Kgal and others who care to comment. What is your definition of a god? Something that has more power over its environment than you? Something that has more knowledge or understanding than you....

If we look at the Christian and Catholic god, this god created everything we know but there is good evidence its possible we may have been created by other humans in what would seem like our future but would really be their present. Does that make them our god? What is a "god"?

Well…if we wish to define a singular God. Throughout history in monotheistic religions God is associated with Creation, as the creator. In religions with multiple Gods or Goddesses there is generally a God for each (previously) unexplained parts of nature…such as a sun god, god of death, etc..
I’m sure you know all this already, you’re a smarty-pants.
It’s all subjective like you are inferring…what is a God to one thing or person when viewed from a different perspective could be well below that expectation.
Those that have had an NDE or recently they have been testing psychedelics, and it seems to change people’s perspective in a very good way.
This is part of why they are using psychedelics for depression now, because they are finding it actually does expand that part of the mind (they even have results showing new brain cell growth) and it gives that person a sense of interconnectedness that seemed to be closed off before. It seems to have a calming effect on people and their lives and allows someone to be content where once they were depressed and anxious. The same goes with NDE…this is a life-changing experience for anyone who has had one…and once again, it gives that person the interconnectedness and contentment that wasn’t there before.
Idk personally, I have yet to play around with any psychedelic substances…but I won’t deny that it is on my list of things to try at least once in my life.