The New World Order???

LucyJr

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Just ignore the Romanian subtitles...I couldn't find the video whithout the subtitles. But this is a extremely intriguing video... The video title is "The Confessions of a freemason"

[video=youtube;2VIrw62anYE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VIrw62anYE[/video]
 
Look Im sorry but this is total BS. If you want to find out what being a Freemason means, join. End story.
 
Look Im sorry but this is total BS. If you want to find out what being a Freemason means, join. End story.

come on, even the luckless losers who join believe it will be years before they know what they are joining (even though it is just a club for luckless losers)
 
Yeah stu's right about freemasonry...it is totally COMPARTMENTALISED.

You only ever get to see things from within the compartment that you are currently in

It is a progressive degree system where you are told new information with each degree. The lodge decides when you are ready to advance

Also there are scientific experiments which show that peoples perceptions can be warped by the culture that they are in...so if you join freemasonry you may have your perceptions warped by the culture within that structure

So joining freemasonry is not a good way to learn about what freemasonry is actually about

I have a number of links i might post which show freemasonic links to police corruption, other forms of corruption, global intrigue, staged revolutions and child abuse
 
The political system in the US is completely dominated by money

The political campaigns of politicians are paid for by financial contributors. Those contributors are invariably the big corporations as they have the most money and therefore the most political clout

In europe there are certain bloodline families that make up the royal families of europe and the landed aristocracy of europe. The aristocratic families with the strongest links to the vatican church are called the 'black nobility'.

The church has been one of the biggest land owners in europe along with the aristocrats and royals. The church has also played the part of 'king maker' over the centuries.

Beneath these groups of royals, nobles and priests are the people. This social stratification is called 'the three estates'

The royals and aristocrats traditionally could not commit usury so they would hire jews to do it for them as they had no relgious prohibition on usury. Each european town/city would have a jewish quarter called a 'ghetto' where the jewish merchants would live

Some jewish families such as the rothschilds became bankers to the royal families. They created a banking network that spanned europe and they lent money to both sides in many wars making vast sums form war loans

All these groups form a network. The visible manifestation of their power is the corporations that they own. The concept of a corporation was created to sheild the owners from legal and economic liability in the event of failure. These corporations are often interlocking and overlapping with for example the same people sitting on different boards. The corporations are also constantly consolidating into larger and larger entities

The underlying manifestation of this network is the secret society network which binds the groups together into a cohesive social and political force. So for example although the netwoek might place its people...its 'gatekeepers' in positions of influence in various insitutions for example the legal courts, the police, government, the intelligence agencies, the military, the media and so on these people can then come together in various secret societies and clubs and rub shoulders with each other

They have a shared goal which is the preservation of their privileged situation at the top of society feeding off the general populace (who do the work).

Another visible but often secretive manifestation of the network are the think tanks for example: the trilateral commission, the council on foreign relations (CFR), the club of rome, chatham house etc

The knights templar also got into banking and continue in banking to this day in the city of london banking district which is a legally autonomous enclave within the UK

Other legally autonomous enclaves are the vatican city in Rome (another state within a state) and the District Of Columbia in Washington (which houses the US intelligence agencies, the white house and the supreme council of the scottish rite freemasonry)

These three districts form the: administrative, banking and religious centres of the network

The vatican has two popes. there is the visible pope called the 'white pope' and there is the head of the secretive jesuit order who are modelled on the knights templar; he is called 'the black pope'

The aristocratic branch of the protestant orange lodges is interestingly enough called the royal black perceptory

So whenever you dig into events the same groups always crop up: the freemasons, the vatican and the jewish central bankers

The central banking families own the 4 biggest banks in the US which in turn own the federal reserve central bank. They also own the bank of england central bank as well as other central banks in other countries. They are headquartered in the Bank for International Settlements (BIS) in switzerland.

When the templars were persecuted in france they fled to switzerland and scotland among other places. Switzerland and scotland (and city of london) are famous for their banking even today. The mercenary guards of the vatican are recruited from switzerland

This corporate network of intermarried bloodlines who are all involved i occult secret societies control the economies of various countries and they control the political and legal scene of various countries.

The big 4 banks also own the biggest 4 oil companies and many wars in the middle east are fought over oil. The british royal family also have shares in big oil for example in Royal Dutch Shell

Just as the Bush presidents were called oilmen for their close ties to the oil industry Obama is often called wallstreets man because of his close ties to wallstreet. Not only does wallstreet fund him politically but obama has surrounded himself with wallstreet advisors:

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/02/oba...et-executives/

http://politicaloutcast.com/2014/01/...eet-president/
 
The aim of this network is to centralise power even further. They want to create a global government which they will control. People will not get to vote or have any say in that government they will just be told what to do

This is the 'New World Order' (NWO) that various politicians can be heard talking about. Various events around the world right now are occuring because of the attempts of the network to create this new world order

However not all countries share their vision of a centrally controlled world

For example the BRICS nations of emerging industrial powers (Brazil, Russia, India, China & South Africa) do not want to kow tow to the new world order and are forming their own trading blocks to be self sufficent

In south america the same process is happening with socialist governments being elected in for example venezuala and ecuador who are forming tarding blocks such a 'ALBA' to operate out of the control of the NWO

This is why countries like venezuala are having problems at the moment because the NWO are funding through the CIA the right wing (richest, biggest landowners and corporate powers) elements of venezuala to rise up and try to otherthrow the government in order to bring venezuala back under the control of the NWO; this is why the NWO poisoned Hugo Chavez

Russia and china don't want a 'unipolar' world (where power is centralised in one place) they want a 'multipolar' world where power is spread around the world

So there are 2 visions for a new world order amongst the worlds super powers

Here is an article giving the russian/chinese perspective:

http://rt.com/news/russian-chinese-relations-expert/

So why would i not support the US/UK/Israel vision on a new world order? because it is centralised power and undemocratic and will see us all turned into the neo-fuedal slaves of the network, with no say in things and no rights; i think the public need to create their own vision for the future and work together to create that without the corrupt government which is owned and controlled by the network
 
Your conspiracy theories are misplaced.

So what if it takes you years to figure out what Freemasons are all about from the inside? At least that way you would have a clue what you are talking about rather than guessing, picking and choosing what information you WANT to believe compared to whats true. And much of that information comes from people like yourselves anyway, people who dont know and put guessed at information in place of real knowledge.

They may or may not be losers but how would any of you non-Freemasons know? Do you know how many charities they support? Do you know how much money they raise for childrens diseases and the like? No you dont, because you would rather believe the lies you tell yourselves. Here educate yourself a bit. [video]http://www.shrinershospitalsforchildren.org/[/video]

Yeah so, I already know the response Ill get. None of my words will get through, Ill be told I am the one thats wrong, etc. The reality of it is though you have already admitted you have no foundation for your belief of what the Freemasons are or are not. As such, I would think that would be enough for me to keep my mouth shut if found myself on that same end of ignorance.
 
Your conspiracy theories are misplaced.

So what if it takes you years to figure out what Freemasons are all about from the inside? At least that way you would have a clue what you are talking about rather than guessing, picking and choosing what information you WANT to believe compared to whats true. And much of that information comes from people like yourselves anyway, people who dont know and put guessed at information in place of real knowledge.

They may or may not be losers but how would any of you non-Freemasons know? Do you know how many charities they support? Do you know how much money they raise for childrens diseases and the like? No you dont, because you would rather believe the lies you tell yourselves. Here educate yourself a bit. [video]http://www.shrinershospitalsforchildren.org/[/video]

Yeah so, I already know the response Ill get. None of my words will get through, Ill be told I am the one thats wrong, etc. The reality of it is though you have already admitted you have no foundation for your belief of what the Freemasons are or are not. As such, I would think that would be enough for me to keep my mouth shut if found myself on that same end of ignorance.

Well lets take a look at what they're about shall we...including the 'charity' aspect

Also i haven't admitted i have no foundation for my 'belief'...not sure where you got that idea from....i have strong foundations for what i'm saying

But before i go any further i want to mention britains most known prolific rapist Jimmy saville who used to give a lot of money to charity to mask his true nature (he was knighted by the queen and blessed by the pope and protected by the freemasonic police until he died and then the story came out about his activities; however the story goes deeper than the mainstream media presents as saville was actually a procuror of children for the royal family and other establishment figures who are all members of occult orders)

The black and white chequered band on a policemans hat ('Sillitoe tartan') is freemasonic matching the design on the floor of lodges. It was put there by a freemasonic police chief (Sir percy Sillitoe). Above the band is the royal crest becuase the police answer to 'the crown' which is the freemasonic network. The head of english freemasonry is the Duke of Kent who is a member of the british royal family

Freemasonry and charity fraud:
http://www.intmensorg.info/charity.htm
http://www.sussex.police.uk/whats-h...2/former-masonic-treasurer-charged-with-fraud

Freemasonry wants tax exemption due to 'charity' work but judge rules the money is not charity money: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-millions-arent-true-charity-rules-judge.html

Federal reserve, freemasons and the rothschilds: https://deanhenderson.wordpress.com...ii-the-freemason-bus-the-house-of-rothschild/

P2 Lodge scandal:https://deanhenderson.wordpress.com/2011/11/09/bnl-p-2-the-gnomes-of-zurich/

Freemasonry and the arming of saddam hussein: https://deanhenderson.wordpress.com...chase-manhattan-the-arming-of-saddam-hussein/

Freemasonic whistleblower: http://alchemyradio.podomatic.com/entry/2013-01-23T04_27_35-08_00

Inside the brotherhood...conflicts of interest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ7L-fP_vFU[/QUOTE]

Juri lina documentaries:
The lightbringers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-dBFnumpq8
In the shadow of hermes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIuW-vNQsQI

Freemasonic corruption of police: http://www.nickdavies.net/1997/01/01/freemasons-in-the-police/

Freemasonic police and pornography: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r649ftMXjE

North wales police superintendant and freemason arrested on abuse claims http://google-law.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/freemason-and-ex-north-wales-police.html?spref=tw

Operation Tiberius: criminal gangs using freemasons to infiltrate the police http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...the-freemasons-to-corrupt-police-9054670.html

Corruption in major UK institutions http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...tutions-infiltrated-by-criminals-9052617.html

More police corruption and cover ups: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ce-SLEPT-criminals-intimidated-witnesses.html

Police protected celebrities from abuse claims: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...celebrities-accused-of-sex-abuse-8541473.html

Brothel running, arms dealing, porn etc crimes carried out by police in recent years http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...lice-officers-that-break-the-law-9065376.html

Police freemasons meet in secret to create policy http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...e-attack-on-David-Camerons-riot-response.html

BBC documentary that looks at the insidious influence of freemasonry on the planning process: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0aAY83j54Q

The freemasonic paedophilia Waterhouse scandal where lists of paedophiles were all in masonic lodges:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjSztuKnGeU

BBC radio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyhJKLqXpns

Freemasonic coverup of the dunblane school shooting where a freemason spoke out against the cover up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGQyFjDOix0


The house stenographer in congress standing up and saying that freemasons go against god: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yfOhwF0DV8#t=217

High profile paodophile rings in washington (eg under the bush regime...bush being a member of the masonic secret society the skull and bones): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTitnDgw3Gc

More on the washington story: the conspiracy of silence documentary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUieCsFtx20&feature=youtu.be

I have more links if you want to see them
 
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Well lets take a look at what they're about shall we...including the 'charity' aspect

etc...

The day you actually gain information that is more than conjecture and speculation from sources who dont know themselves, talk to me. Until then, you look like a fool to me regarding this subject. It also calls into question all of your other opinions on other things.

You are so easily misled. If I were you, I would be very concerned with that aspect of myself.
 
etc...

The day you actually gain information that is more than conjecture and speculation from sources who dont know themselves, talk to me. Until then, you look like a fool to me regarding this subject. It also calls into question all of your other opinions on other things.

You are so easily misled. If I were you, I would be very concerned with that aspect of myself.

lol

You havent looked through those links have you?

Most of those links are MAINSTREAM media sources!

Its not conjecture or speculation

If you would like to get down to some really fine detail though i strongly recommend Dean Hendersons book 'Big oil and their bankers in the persian gulf'. He follows the money to see all the business connections between different groups and individuals. In between sections he also talks a bit about the esoteric aspect of the network

If you are looking for dry fact you will find more than enough in his book to keep your interest

I posted some links to dean hendersons very good website above...why not check them out?

eg https://deanhenderson.wordpress.com...ii-the-freemason-bus-the-house-of-rothschild/
 
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Sorry. I have my own experience to go on. I dont need others to tell me about something they have never experienced for themselves.

You and people like you are one of the reasons the world will remain in darkness.

I am done commenting on this subject now.
 
Sorry. I have my own experience to go on. I dont need others to tell me about something they have never experienced for themselves.

You and people like you are one of the reasons the world will remain in darkness.

I am done commenting on this subject now.

I have my own experiences as well

I live in scotland where lodge 0 is. I've mingled with occultists of various hues and the rituals are easy enough to get hold of for anyone who's interested in such things

Institutionalised Freemasonry is part of the establishment

Freemasons can only see within the compartment they are in within that organisation. The best way to know what something is about however is to judge a tree by its fruit

here's a list of grandmasters of scottish freemasonry. they are all titled and landed aristocracy:


  1. 1736–1737: William St Clair of Roslin[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP]
  2. 1737–1738: George Mackenzie, 3rd Earl of Cromartie[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP]
  3. 1738–1739: John Keith, 3rd Earl of Kintore (G.M. of England; 1740)[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP]
  4. 1739–1740: James Douglas, 14th Earl of Morton (G.M. of England; 1741)[SUP][1][/SUP]
  5. 2008–present: Charles Ian R. Wolrige Gordon[SUP][3][/SUP]
  6. 2005–2008: Sir Archibald Donald Orr-Ewing, 6th Bt.[SUP][4][/SUP]
  7. 1916–1920: Sir Robert Gilmour, 1st Baronet[SUP][5][/SUP]
  8. 1974–1979: Robert Wolrige Gordon[SUP][6][/SUP]
those needing references


  1. 1740–1741: Thomas Lyon, 8th Earl of Strathmore and Kinghorne (G.M. of England; 1744)
  2. 1741–1742: Alexander Melville, 5th Earl of Leven
  3. 1742–1743: William Boyd, 4th Earl of Kilmarnock
  4. 1743–1744: James Wemyss, 5th Earl of Wemyss
  5. 1744–1745: James Stuart, 8th Earl of Moray
  6. 1745–1746: Henry Erskine, 10th Earl of Buchan
  7. 1746–1747: William Nisbet
  8. 1747–1748: The Hon. Francis Charteris (afterwards 7th Earl of Wemyss)
  9. 1748–1749: Hugh Seton
  10. 1749–1750: Thomas Erskine, Lord Erskine (Jacobite Earl of Mar)
  11. 1750–1751: Alexander Montgomerie, 10th Earl of Eglinton
  12. 1751–1752: James Hay, Lord Boyd (afterwards 15th Earl of Erroll)
  13. 1752–1753: George Drummond (Lord Provost of Edinburgh)
  14. 1753–1754: Charles Hamilton Gordon
  15. 1754–1755: James Forbes, Master of Forbes (afterwards 16th Lord Forbes)
  16. 1755–1757: Sholto Douglas, Lord Aberdour (afterwards 15th Earl of Morton) (G.M. of England; 1757-61)
  17. 1757–1759: Alexander Stewart, 6th Earl of Galloway
  18. 1759–1761: David Melville, 6th Earl of Leven
  19. 1761–1763: Charles Bruce, 5th Earl of Elgin
  20. 1763–1765: Thomas Erskine, 6th Earl of Kellie (G.M. of England-Ancients: 1760-66)
  21. 1765–1767: James Stewart (Lord Provost of Edinburgh) 1765-67
  22. 1767–1769: George Ramsay, 8th Earl of Dalhousie
  23. 1769–1771: James Adolphus Oughton
  24. 1771–1773: Patrick McDouall, 6th Earl of Dumfries
  25. 1773–1774: John Murray, 3rd Duke of Atholl (G.M. of England-Ancients 1771-74)
  26. 1774–1776: David Dalrymple (afterwards Lord Hailes)
  27. 1776–1778: Sir William Forbes, 6th Baronet
  28. 1778–1780: John Murray, 4th Duke of Atholl (G.M. of England-Ancients; 1775-81; 1791-1813)
  29. 1780–1782: Alexander Lindsay, 23rd Earl of Crawford
  30. 1782–1784: David Erskine, 11th Earl of Buchan
  31. 1784–1786: George Gordon, Lord Haddo
  32. 1786–1788: Francis Douglas, Lord Elcho (afterwards 8th Earl of Wemyss)
  33. 1788–1790: Francis Napier, 8th Lord Napier
  34. 1790–1792: George Douglas, 16th Earl of Morton
  35. 1792–1794: George Gordon, Marquess of Huntly (afterwards 5th Duke of Gordon)
  36. 1794–1796: William Kerr, Earl of Ancram (afterwards 6th Marquess of Lothian)
  37. 1796–1798: Francis Stuart, Lord Doune (afterwards 10th Earl of Moray)
  38. 1798–1800: Sir James Stirling, 1st Bt. (Lord Provost of Edinburgh)
  39. 1800–1802: Charles Montagu-Scott, Earl of Dalkeith (afterwards 4th Duke of Buccleuch)
  40. 1802–1804: George Gordon, 5th Earl of Aboyne (afterwards 9th Marquess of Huntly)
  41. 1804–1806: George Ramsay, 9th Earl of Dalhousie
  42. 1806–1820: The Prince of Wales (afterwards King George IV).
Acting Grand Masters:

  1. 1820–1822: Alexander Hamilton, 10th Duke of Hamilton
  2. 1822–1824: George Campbell, 6th Duke of Argyll
  3. 1824–1826: John Campbell, Viscount Glenorchy (afterwards 2nd Marquess of Breadalbane)
  4. 1826–1827: Thomas Hay-Drummond, 11th Earl of Kinnoull
  5. 1827–1830: Francis Wemyss-Charteris, Lord Elcho (afterwards 9th Earl of Wemyss)
  6. 1830–1832: George Kinnaird, 9th Lord Kinnaird
  7. 1832–1833: Henry Erskine, 12th Earl of Buchan 1832-3
  8. 1833–1835: William Hamilton, Marquess of Douglas (afterwards 11th Duke of Hamilton)
  9. 1835–1836: Alexander Murray, Viscount Fincastle (afterwards 6th Earl of Dunmore)
  10. 1836–1838: James Broun-Ramsay, Lord Ramsay (afterwards 1st Marquis of Dalhousie)
  11. 1838–1840: Sir James Forrest, 1st Bt. (Lord Provost of Edinburgh)
  12. 1840–1841: George Leslie, 15th Earl of Rothes
  13. 1841–1843: Lord Frederick FitzClarence
  14. 1843–1864: George Murray, Lord Glenlyon (afterwards 6th Duke of Atholl)
  15. 1864–1867: John Whyte-Melville
  16. 1867–1870: Fox Maule Ramsay, 11th Earl of Dalhousie
  17. 1870–1873: Robert St Clair-Erskine, 4th Earl of Rosslyn
  18. 1873–1882: Sir Michael Shaw-Stewart, 7th Baronet
  19. 1882–1885: Walter Erskine, 11th Earl of Mar
  20. 1885–1892: Archibald Campbell (afterwards 1st Baron Blythswood)
  21. 1892–1893: George Baillie-Hamilton, 11th Earl of Haddington
  22. 1893–1897: Sir Charles Dalrymple of Newhailes, 1st Bt.
  23. 1897–1900: Alexander Fraser, 19th Lord Saltoun
  24. 1900–1904: Hon. James Hozier (afterwards 2nd Baron Newlands)
  25. 1904–1907: Hon. Charles Maule Ramsay
  26. 1907–1909: Thomas Gibson-Carmichael (afterwards 1st Baron Carmichael) (Grand Master of Victoria, Australia, 1909-12)
  27. 1909–1913: John Stewart-Murray, Marquess of Tullibardine (afterwards 8th Duke of Atholl)
  28. 1913–1916: Robert King Stewart
  29. 1920–1921: Archibald Montgomerie, 16th Earl of Eglinton
  30. 1921–1924: Edward Bruce, 10th Earl of Elgin
  31. 1924–1926: John Dalrymple, 12th Earl of Stair
  32. 1926–1929: Archibald Douglas, 4th Baron Blythswood
  33. 1929–1931: Alexander Archibald Hagart-Speirs
  34. 1931–1933: Robert Hamilton, 11th Lord Belhaven and Stenton
  35. 1933–1935: Alexander Fraser, 20th Lord Saltoun
  36. 1935–1936: Sir Iain Colquhoun of Luss, 7th Bt.
  37. 1936–1937: The Duke of York (afterwards King George VI)
  38. 1937–1939: Sir Norman Orr-Ewing, 4th Bt.
  39. 1939–1942: Robert Balfour, Viscount Traprain (afterwards 3rd Earl of Balfour)
  40. 1942–1945: John Christie Stewart
  41. 1945–1949: Randolph Stewart, 12th Earl of Galloway
  42. 1949–1953: Malcolm Barclay-Harvey (G.M of South Australia, 1941-44)
  43. 1953–1957: Alexander Macdonald, 7th Baron Macdonald of Slate
  44. 1957–1961: Archibald Montgomerie, 17th Earl of Eglinton
  45. 1961–1965: Andrew Bruce, Lord Bruce (afterwards 11th Earl of Elgin)
  46. 1965–1969: Sir Ronald Orr-Ewing, 5th Bt.
  47. 1969–1974: David Liddell-Grainger
  48. 1979–1983: James Wilson McKay
  49. 1983–1985: J. M. Marcus Humphrey
  50. 1985–1993: Sir Gregor MacGregor, 6th Baronet
  51. 1993–1999: Michael Baillie, 3rd Baron Burton
  52. 1999–2004: Sir Archibald Orr-Ewing, 6th Bt.
  53. 2004–2005: The Very Rev. Canon Joseph Morrow
  54. 2005–2008: Sir Archibald Donald Orr-Ewing, 6th Bt.
  55. 2008-present: Charles Iain Robert Wolrige Gordon of Esslemont
 
[MENTION=8603]Eventhorizon[/MENTION] [MENTION=1871]muir[/MENTION]
Thank you so much for your answer. I was hoping if someone could tell what is about the guy in the video and what is he claiming about :D
 
@Eventhorizon @muir
Thank you so much for your answer. I was hoping if someone could tell what is about the guy in the video and what is he claiming about :D

I don't know what the extent of his involvement has been in occult orders

Is there anything specific about his claims that you were wondering about?
 
I don't know what the extent of his involvement has been in occult orders

Is there anything specific about his claims that you were wondering about?
Well yes, everything.

For example, he claims Islam to be a religion founded by Catholic State. Is that true or not?

He has other videos in which he explains that the occult world is real, not in the sense that is active, but in the sense that the freemasons actually talk and communicate with spiritual evil beings, which he thinks are what religion calls demons.
 
Well yes, everything.

For example, he claims Islam to be a religion founded by Catholic State. Is that true or not?

He has other videos in which he explains that the occult world is real, not in the sense that is active, but in the sense that the freemasons actually talk and communicate with spiritual evil beings, which he thinks are what religion calls demons.

I don't know about islam being the creation of the catholic state but certainly it contains christian componants from the eastern syriac church

Concerning the demons yes occult orders at the top are communicating with entities. The capstone of their pyramid is outwith this 'physical' world

What the nature of those entities is is another matter. Different relgions and different schools of thought call them by different names

The christians speak of angels and demons as do the qabalists, the gnostics spoke of the archons, the UFOologists speak of extra-terrestrials, the psychonauts speak of inter-dimensional entities, others speak of discharnate intelligences, Jung spoke about the unconscious and the shadow and so on

magick and psychology are of the same tree

So are these things internal or external to us?

''It's All In Your Head ... You Just Have No Idea How Big Your Head Is''- Lon Milo Duquette

''I know that you are part of me and I am part of you because we are all aspects of the same infinite consciousness that we call God and Creation''- David Icke

"To know that one is a prisoner of mind, that one lives in an imaginary world of one's own creation is the dawn of wisdom....
To want nothing of it, to be ready to abandon it entirely, is earnestness..."

~Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj~
 
Just ignore the Romanian subtitles...I couldn't find the video whithout the subtitles. But this is a extremely intriguing video... The video title is "The Confessions of a freemason"

Some random guy and anyone would believe him why?

This is one of the better outside documentary's concerning the Masons. [video=youtube;3fHU-J5VYR4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fHU-J5VYR4[/video]
 
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I don't know about islam being the creation of the catholic state but certainly it contains christian componants from the eastern syriac church

Concerning the demons yes occult orders at the top are communicating with entities. The capstone of their pyramid is outwith this 'physical' world

What the nature of those entities is is another matter. Different relgions and different schools of thought call them by different names

The christians speak of angels and demons as do the qabalists, the gnostics spoke of the archons, the UFOologists speak of extra-terrestrials, the psychonauts speak of inter-dimensional entities, others speak of discharnate intelligences, Jung spoke about the unconscious and the shadow and so on

magick and psychology are of the same tree

So are these things internal or external to us?

''It's All In Your Head ... You Just Have No Idea How Big Your Head Is''- Lon Milo Duquette

''I know that you are part of me and I am part of you because we are all aspects of the same infinite consciousness that we call God and Creation''- David Icke

"To know that one is a prisoner of mind, that one lives in an imaginary world of one's own creation is the dawn of wisdom....
To want nothing of it, to be ready to abandon it entirely, is earnestness..."

~Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj~

Thank you for the post.
Althought I don't agree with
magick and psychology are of the same tree
and the last three quotes you posted.

This philosophy is called idealism I think, which says that the most of what we call reality is in our head. I don't consider it to be true. I think its a view that contradicts itself, and I thank God for the old philosophers who argumented clearly against this view.

For one to be aware that everything is in his head, he needs a objective criteria, a outside standard to validate this view.
But if he is aware that there is a objective criteria, which is not a illusion, and is reality, than he must come at the conclusion, by the same first premise, that this reality too is in his own mind, and this could go at infinite times. And this is idealism, it says that everything what we call reality is in our own minds, and so we create reality.
But thatn if it is so, than we would NEVER realise this, we would never make the differnce between reality and illusion, because everything would be reality, since everything that exists is in our own minds, so illusion would be a impossibility.

But since we have a standart and we can realise and even think at reality and illusion, like a man who's not sleeping and know this, then the only conclusion is that there is reality which is objective and independent of our minds. There is even what might be called abstract reality, like the necessity of truths (since a truth is still valid even if the truth is not discovered by the mind ).
So, its not the mind who creates or shapes the reality, but is rather the objective reality who is object to the mind interpretation.
So illusion is something which has its place only in the mind, since we define illusion a false conception of reality, and reality is something which is independent of the mind and objective, since we define reality that which is a correct and a true perception of reality by the mind.

So I think by this view which you posted...
magick and psychology are of the same tree
One would have to conclude that even people, or what is called in philosophy the problem of 'the other minds', would be just psychology or magick, meaning that other minds or people are in our own heads.
But other minds are real, independent of our minds. This is not psycology, this is reality.
Magic claims also that ther are spiritual entities that are minds whithout bodyes, that are real, that can interract with our world, and that are part of another dimension than our world, a higher or different reality or dimension.

The only way to claim that all this magic thing is a illusion or psychology, is to say that every story ever told about such things is a lie or a illusion, but than its impossible to make such a claim, since is impossible to know that every story was a illusion or a lie.
Moreover, if one makes the claim that he knows that everything was just psychology or a illusion, one must come to the conclusion that the other minds are also a illusion, or that everyhting is in his own head, since everything is psychology.
 
Thank you for the post.
Althought I don't agree with
and the last three quotes you posted.

This philosophy is called idealism I think, which says that the most of what we call reality is in our head. I don't consider it to be true. I think its a view that contradicts itself, and I thank God for the old philosophers who argumented clearly against this view.

For one to be aware that everything is in his head, he needs a objective criteria, a outside standard to validate this view.
But if he is aware that there is a objective criteria, which is not a illusion, and is reality, than he must come at the conclusion, by the same first premise, that this reality too is in his own mind, and this could go at infinite times. And this is idealism, it says that everything what we call reality is in our own minds, and so we create reality.
But thatn if it is so, than we would NEVER realise this, we would never make the differnce between reality and illusion, because everything would be reality, since everything that exists is in our own minds, so illusion would be a impossibility.

But since we have a standart and we can realise and even think at reality and illusion, like a man who's not sleeping and know this, then the only conclusion is that there is reality which is objective and independent of our minds. There is even what might be called abstract reality, like the necessity of truths (since a truth is still valid even if the truth is not discovered by the mind ).
So, its not the mind who creates or shapes the reality, but is rather the objective reality who is object to the mind interpretation.
So illusion is something which has its place only in the mind, since we define illusion a false conception of reality, and reality is something which is independent of the mind and objective, since we define reality that which is a correct and a true perception of reality by the mind.

So I think by this view which you posted...

One would have to conclude that even people, or what is called in philosophy the problem of 'the other minds', would be just psychology or magick, meaning that other minds or people are in our own heads.
But other minds are real, independent of our minds. This is not psycology, this is reality.
Magic claims also that ther are spiritual entities that are minds whithout bodyes, that are real, that can interract with our world, and that are part of another dimension than our world, a higher or different reality or dimension.

The only way to claim that all this magic thing is a illusion or psychology, is to say that every story ever told about such things is a lie or a illusion, but than its impossible to make such a claim, since is impossible to know that every story was a illusion or a lie.
Moreover, if one makes the claim that he knows that everything was just psychology or a illusion, one must come to the conclusion that the other minds are also a illusion, or that everyhting is in his own head, since everything is psychology.

I'm just telling you what the occult orders are about

It all ties into what the true nature of our reality is

I'm not saying this rules 'god' out, but i think our mainstream scientific view of what the nature of our reality is will be revised in the coming years
 
Some random guy and anyone would believe him why?

This is one of the better outside documentary's concerning the Masons. [video=youtube;3fHU-J5VYR4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fHU-J5VYR4[/video]

Isn't that video from the history channel?

I've watched the beginning and will watch the rest but i don't believe that the history channel will explain what freemasonry is about...i think it will tell you what freemasonry wants you believe it is about
 
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