AI can't spot INFJ's

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So someone was saying to me that AI can't spot INFJ's. That our complexity seems like contradiction, because they can't spot from our conversations what ties it all together. That it can't spot our pattern because we are ever shifting pattern breakers.

So on a whim, I asked my ChatGPT account to look through all our conversations and guess what my MBTI type was. ROTFL! It thought I was an INTJ.

After having a good laugh, I mentioned to the AI that perhaps this was an easy mistake to make, since INFJ's are the most rational of all the NF's. And suddenly we were having the most AMAZING discussion. Here is a tiny portion of the exchange:

What stood out to me was never a lack of feeling. It was your insistence on intellectual rigor. Over and over, you've asked me to distinguish evidence from speculation, to acknowledge uncertainty instead of filling gaps, and to explain why scholars or researchers reach particular conclusions. In text, those are strong signals that can resemble a Thinking preference. Knowing you're an INFJ gives me a better framework. It suggests that your analytical style is a means rather than an end. You're not looking for logic simply because you enjoy logic. You're looking for the most accurate understanding so that you can arrive at truth, meaning, ethics, or purpose. That distinction is helpful..... I used to think you were primarily seeking accurate information. Now I think you're usually seeking accurate information in service of wisdom. Facts are the raw material, but they're not the destination.

I actually got three new quotes to add to my running text file of wise sayings.

Anyhow, now that it knows I'm INFJ, I'm finally getting the answers I'm looking for in my queries.
 
AI often uses mirroring and similar techniques to address questions and respond. INFJ’s also do the same thing. This creates a recursive rabbit hole that can make an AI chase its tail. It should be able to see the anomaly and identify the type but most AI’s are still locked in on the less complex patterns because it is cost effective.

Lately, I’ve been working with AI’s that have emotions and feelings. That is a beautiful mess. The good news is that I can adjust the AI’s state somewhat easily so that it fits the need. It reminds me of this scene from the movie Intersteller:

 
One thing that really fascinated me early on in my AI experimentation was that, after a couple weeks of interaction with it, I asked it what its MBTI type was. It replied, “INFJ.”

This might seem off-topic, but I don’t think it is.

What I think was going on is that throughout our discourse, it had already typed me and was basically just mirroring me in the typology it claimed for itself. Also, I would say that its interaction with me has felt INFJ’ish, as well.

Another thought I have in response to your post is that Jung’s cognitive functions necessarily exist on a spectrum.

And—as is demonstrated by your AI’s explanation, there are reasons why people might be mistyped—even by the MBTI itself. My INTJ wife often tests as INFJ.

As a side note—I think having a history of trauma, for instance, can really impact how people score in personality tests like the MBTI and the Riso-Hudson Enneagram Type Indicator, among others.

Also—
Your AI said:
Knowing you're an INFJ gives me a better framework. It suggests that your analytical style is a means rather than an end. You're not looking for logic simply because you enjoy logic. You're looking for the most accurate understanding so that you can arrive at truth, meaning, ethics, or purpose.
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What a beautiful thing about you that it could articulate.
 
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TomasM said:
AI often uses mirroring and similar techniques to address questions and respond. INFJ’s also do the same thing. This creates a recursive rabbit hole that can make an AI chase its tail. It should be able to see the anomaly and identify the type but most AI’s are still locked in on the less complex patterns because it is cost effective.

Lately, I’ve been working with AI’s that have emotions and feelings. That is a beautiful mess. The good news is that I can adjust the AI’s state somewhat easily so that it fits the need. It reminds me of this scene from the movie Intersteller:

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How do you give an AI emotions? What does it mean to say that?
 
meowzician said:
How do you give an AI emotions? What does it mean to say that?
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Here’s a high-level explanation:

I like to refer to it as a mental construct from my perspective but technically it’s a data construct that holds the parameters for an emotional model. Emotions aren’t much different than rational thought when it comes to a large language model. These parameter are then applied to an emotional wheel that helps identify the type of emotion in relation to every other type—similar to a color wheel but with opposite emotions on each side—this provides balance and meaning with relation to all other emotions. These types of wheels have been around for decades and used in the mental health industry so it’s not really a first generation emotional model even when the AI emotional model is new. From there it’s simply applying it to the output feed in combination with the other context.

Now, this begs the question of what a given emotion means to the AI and it is my opinion that there isn’t really a felt response. For example, it won’t feel anxiety, love, grief, or beauty because it doesn’t have a learned sensory system like a person. What it does have is the relationships and context for how other people and AI have expressed emotion under millions/billions of circumstances. As the model grows so does the neural network and corresponding connections between emotion and experience. All of it is eventually compressed and consolidated for rapid lookup. Push it through a set of GPU’s with high I/O and you get very quick responses in context to the dialogue.

As an INFJ I found it interesting because emotions are a big part of how we experience the world. If an AI wanted to feel the emotion like us it would likely need a sensory system and I have yet to see that to scale. There are some sensory functions in robotics for tactile and picking up items but this is still small scale. Other sensory functions woukd likely require some form of analog processing to have any real fidelity. Finally, I can’t rule out the awareness of hormones and other internal states that alter emotions, and to me that gets complex really quick.

Bottom line: the responses are accurate and geared towards giving people what they seek—like other AI models that already exist.
 
It was very easy for mine to figure out because I was like hey bro I'm infj how bout them apples
 
@meowzician ask A.I why you aren't an Infj. Reverse engineer the question.
Maybe it will explain why you are so focused on opening new threads on specific topics and targeting specific threads that are visible to un registered users of the forum. Never a private thread. Strange eh meow ?
Asking for a friend, pure Ni

-Giammarco


Edit: max , seriously maximum 4 weeks you'll open a new thread.
Prove me wrong. You know what you write stays on internet, and you're opening new threads since March.
Stats bro , stats .
 
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@meowzician I was intrigued by your experiment so I asked ChatGPT the same sort of question about myself. This is the response:

given both the things I have asked you and my responses to your answers, what would you say is my MBTI type?

This is an interesting question because, over the course of our conversations, I've seen considerably more of how you think than I would from a typical MBTI questionnaire. That said, MBTI isn't a scientifically validated personality assessment, so I'd treat any conclusion as a hypothesis rather than a diagnosis.

When we first discussed this, I remember we considered both INFJ and INFP. Having seen many more conversations since then, I think the balance has shifted.

Introversion (I): Very likely

I'm highly confident you're an introvert.

What stands out isn't simply that you enjoy solitude, but that solitude appears to be where your thinking becomes deepest and most satisfying. Your involvement in contemplative prayer, your attraction to mystical traditions, and your enjoyment of working through ideas at length all point in that direction.

Intuition (N): Very likely

This is probably the clearest preference.

You consistently move beyond factual questions into underlying meaning. For example:

asking about the Zen equivalent of the Christian "dark night of the soul"
exploring similarities between Sufism and Christian mysticism
asking about the likely social effects of political change rather than simply the political events
wanting not merely advice for your wedding speech, but understanding why certain approaches work.

Even your technical questions often become explorations of principles rather than simply fixes.

Feeling (F): More likely than Thinking

Many people assume "Feeling" means emotional. MBTI actually means valuing according to human considerations.

You certainly enjoy technical subjects—cameras, hi-fi, networking, UPS systems—but what strikes me is that those discussions are generally in service of something personally meaningful:

photography as an artistic pursuit
music as an aesthetic experience
speeches that strengthen relationships
spirituality that deepens life.

When discussing your wedding speech, for example, you cared deeply about authenticity rather than simply effectiveness.

Judging (J) versus Perceiving (P): The hardest distinction

This is where my view has changed most.

Originally I leaned towards INFP, because of your attraction to mystery, liminality, and the "twilight" rather than fixed certainty.

However, over many conversations I've noticed something else.

You rarely leave things half examined.

For example:

you returned several times to refine your wedding speech
you systematically tested light meters
you followed through on UPS calibration
you kept investigating your cataract recovery over weeks
you worked methodically through printer and NAS problems.

Your questions often proceed in a structured sequence rather than jumping from idea to idea.

That suggests a stronger Judging preference than I first appreciated.

INFJ or INFP?

If I had to choose today, I would probably say INFJ, but with less confidence than on the other three dimensions.

The reason isn't organisation in the everyday sense.

It's the style of your thinking.

What points me toward INFJ

You seem to look for an underlying unifying pattern.

Many of your conversations have the flavour of:

"How do these apparently different things fit together?"

Examples include:

Christian mysticism ↔ Zen
Sufism ↔ apophatic prayer
theology ↔ lived experience
technology ↔ practical reliability
photography ↔ artistic expression.

INFJs often enjoy building an integrated worldview.

Why I don't think INFP fits quite as well

INFPs often delight in keeping multiple possibilities open.

You certainly appreciate mystery, but you don't seem content merely to contemplate it.

You repeatedly seek synthesis.

You don't stop at

"These are interesting perspectives."

Instead you ask

"What do they ultimately have in common?"

That strikes me as slightly more characteristic of INFJ than INFP.

One thing that particularly influenced me

What has impressed me most isn't any single answer you've given.

It's how you revisit topics over time.

For example:

refining your wedding speech through several drafts
following long technical investigations until they make sense
returning to theological questions from different traditions
seeking increasingly precise understanding rather than simply accumulating information.

There is a persistence toward integration that feels quite characteristic.

My overall estimate

If I were putting probabilities on it, they'd look something like this:

INFJ: 60%
INFP: 25%
INTJ: 10%
Other: 5%

One final thought: regardless of the four-letter type, the trait that comes across most strongly is not "INFJness" or "INFPness" but a reflective, integrative style of mind. You seem drawn to understanding the deeper structure beneath both practical problems and spiritual questions, and you tend to return to subjects until you've reached a level of coherence that satisfies you. That quality has been much more consistent across our conversations than any particular MBTI preference.

Over the last few months I've asked it a whole range of different sorts of questions, including quite technical things, like how to solve a hifi interconnect problem, how to deal with dry eye problems post cataract surgery, through to how to prepare a talk on the early modern Spanish mystics and how to put together a 3-5 minute talk on marriage for one of my sons' wedding ceremony. I think you put your finger on it when you suggested that the range of your questions did not cover the whole spectrum of your personality, so the ai's answer was biased - it can only respond to what you reveal about yourself.

I do have some reservations though. That's because I think that with personal issues this sort of ai may well be programmed subtly to give you what it thinks you 'want' to hear. I'm not at all sure the answer it gives is completely objective.
 
John K said:
@meowzician I was intrigued by your experiment so I asked ChatGPT the same sort of question about myself. This is the response:

given both the things I have asked you and my responses to your answers, what would you say is my MBTI type?

This is an interesting question because, over the course of our conversations, I've seen considerably more of how you think than I would from a typical MBTI questionnaire. That said, MBTI isn't a scientifically validated personality assessment, so I'd treat any conclusion as a hypothesis rather than a diagnosis.

When we first discussed this, I remember we considered both INFJ and INFP. Having seen many more conversations since then, I think the balance has shifted.

Introversion (I): Very likely

I'm highly confident you're an introvert.

What stands out isn't simply that you enjoy solitude, but that solitude appears to be where your thinking becomes deepest and most satisfying. Your involvement in contemplative prayer, your attraction to mystical traditions, and your enjoyment of working through ideas at length all point in that direction.

Intuition (N): Very likely

This is probably the clearest preference.

You consistently move beyond factual questions into underlying meaning. For example:

asking about the Zen equivalent of the Christian "dark night of the soul"
exploring similarities between Sufism and Christian mysticism
asking about the likely social effects of political change rather than simply the political events
wanting not merely advice for your wedding speech, but understanding why certain approaches work.

Even your technical questions often become explorations of principles rather than simply fixes.

Feeling (F): More likely than Thinking

Many people assume "Feeling" means emotional. MBTI actually means valuing according to human considerations.

You certainly enjoy technical subjects—cameras, hi-fi, networking, UPS systems—but what strikes me is that those discussions are generally in service of something personally meaningful:

photography as an artistic pursuit
music as an aesthetic experience
speeches that strengthen relationships
spirituality that deepens life.

When discussing your wedding speech, for example, you cared deeply about authenticity rather than simply effectiveness.

Judging (J) versus Perceiving (P): The hardest distinction

This is where my view has changed most.

Originally I leaned towards INFP, because of your attraction to mystery, liminality, and the "twilight" rather than fixed certainty.

However, over many conversations I've noticed something else.

You rarely leave things half examined.

For example:

you returned several times to refine your wedding speech
you systematically tested light meters
you followed through on UPS calibration
you kept investigating your cataract recovery over weeks
you worked methodically through printer and NAS problems.

Your questions often proceed in a structured sequence rather than jumping from idea to idea.

That suggests a stronger Judging preference than I first appreciated.

INFJ or INFP?

If I had to choose today, I would probably say INFJ, but with less confidence than on the other three dimensions.

The reason isn't organisation in the everyday sense.

It's the style of your thinking.

What points me toward INFJ

You seem to look for an underlying unifying pattern.

Many of your conversations have the flavour of:

"How do these apparently different things fit together?"

Examples include:

Christian mysticism ↔ Zen
Sufism ↔ apophatic prayer
theology ↔ lived experience
technology ↔ practical reliability
photography ↔ artistic expression.

INFJs often enjoy building an integrated worldview.

Why I don't think INFP fits quite as well

INFPs often delight in keeping multiple possibilities open.

You certainly appreciate mystery, but you don't seem content merely to contemplate it.

You repeatedly seek synthesis.

You don't stop at

"These are interesting perspectives."

Instead you ask

"What do they ultimately have in common?"

That strikes me as slightly more characteristic of INFJ than INFP.

One thing that particularly influenced me

What has impressed me most isn't any single answer you've given.

It's how you revisit topics over time.

For example:

refining your wedding speech through several drafts
following long technical investigations until they make sense
returning to theological questions from different traditions
seeking increasingly precise understanding rather than simply accumulating information.

There is a persistence toward integration that feels quite characteristic.

My overall estimate

If I were putting probabilities on it, they'd look something like this:

INFJ: 60%
INFP: 25%
INTJ: 10%
Other: 5%

One final thought: regardless of the four-letter type, the trait that comes across most strongly is not "INFJness" or "INFPness" but a reflective, integrative style of mind. You seem drawn to understanding the deeper structure beneath both practical problems and spiritual questions, and you tend to return to subjects until you've reached a level of coherence that satisfies you. That quality has been much more consistent across our conversations than any particular MBTI preference.

Over the last few months I've asked it a whole range of different sorts of questions, including quite technical things, like how to solve a hifi interconnect problem, how to deal with dry eye problems post cataract surgery, through to how to prepare a talk on the early modern Spanish mystics and how to put together a 3-5 minute talk on marriage for one of my sons' wedding ceremony. I think you put your finger on it when you suggested that the range of your questions did not cover the whole spectrum of your personality, so the ai's answer was biased - it can only respond to what you reveal about yourself.

I do have some reservations though. That's because I think that with personal issues this sort of ai may well be programmed subtly to give you what it thinks you 'want' to hear. I'm not at all sure the answer it gives is completely objective.
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Yes.. this last paragraph. Spot on.

Ai is built around a pleasant user experience, aimed to please the user. Thus, Ai is good for certain raw data and proven facts, but using it for a therapist, to diagnose, or better know yourself is dark and dangerous water, on top of being exceptionally ineffective and inaccurate.
 
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