19 Dead over 50 injured in UK terror attack

[James]

This is reason number one why I avoid large crowds. As animals, evolution has provided us the gift of anxiety; our ability to detect and perceive potential threats. It operates on the subtleties of energy. If your anxious mind is going haywire, the universe is trying to tell you something...

How are there not better security measures at live gigs?

I posted this thread so the subject could be discussed, to alleviate anxiety. The people who did this? That's what they want. We're in more danger from junk food than them.

I've been to loads of music gigs, sports events, etc with no issues, other than long queues and extortionate prices. These amateurish fanatics will be found, and dealt with. I understand what you say, but it's the "fight and flight" instinct they want to exploit. I think it's crucial we don't allow that to happen.

There were nearly 2000 UK traffic accident deaths in 2013 (34,000 in USA ). There have been less than 150 deaths from terrorism in the UK in the last decade. There will undoubtedly be improved security measures at public events.

I think information is the "fear killer" that helps us put things in perspective. It's horrible what happened, but I refuse to let that intimidate me or deter me from anything I want to do.

 

[dang]

I posted this thread so the subject could be discussed, to alleviate anxiety. The people who did this? That's what they want. We're in more danger from junk food than them.

I've been to loads of music gigs, sports events, etc with no issues, other than long queues and extortionate prices. These amateurish fanatics will be found, and dealt with. I understand what you say, but it's the "fight and flight" instinct they want to exploit. I think it's crucial we don't allow that to happen.

There were nearly 2000 UK traffic accident deaths in 2013 (34,000 in USA ). There have been less than 150 deaths from terrorism in the UK in the last decade. There will undoubtedly be improved security measures at public events.

I think information is the "fear killer" that helps us put things in perspective. It's horrible what happened, but I refuse to let that intimidate me or deter me from anything I want to do.

Perspective.

 

[Tamagochi]

I really don't understand the apologetic view on the events promoted by the media and members of this forum. "Muslims are the real victims" - are you f**king serious? Real victims are people who have been murdered. Innocently. Again and again - in UK, France, Belgium, Germany - by the same killer profile. Personally I am outraged by this and I am not ashamed for this emotion.

Muslim community should step up and take responsibility for all of this mess, otherwise they can and eventually will be held accountable. They have the power to stop this madness by reporting suspicious individuals, by publicly condemning acts of violence, by education. Top ranking Islam leaders should outcry that terrorists will get their asses fucked by the devil personally, instead of the 40 virgins in the afterlife. And yet the Islam world have chosen to do nothing, thus silently endorsing. Leave it to the overburdened police to look for needles in the haystack.

We are getting nowhere by pretending to be of higher morale, of being more tolerant than we really are. That's just sweeping under the rug. People might be too afraid to say their true feelings in front of a camera, but they vote. And that's how we get such idiocies as Brexit, Trump, La Pen. What they all have in common? Xenophobia.

Don't get me wrong - I like multi-cultured Europe and I support giving shelter to incoming refugees. What pisses me off is all this tiptoeing around the issue and trying not to hurt someone's feelings while people are dying.

 

[James]

I really don't understand the apologetic view on the events promoted by the media and members of this forum. "Muslims are the real victims" - are you f**king serious? Real victims are people who have been murdered. Innocently. Again and again - in UK, France, Belgium, Germany - by the same killer profile. Personally I am outraged by this and I am not ashamed for this emotion.

Muslim community should step up and take responsibility for all of this mess, otherwise they can and eventually will be held accountable. They have the power to stop this madness by reporting suspicious individuals, by publicly condemning acts of violence, by education. Top ranking Islam leaders should outcry that terrorists will get their asses fucked by the devil personally, instead of the 40 virgins in the afterlife. And yet the Islam world have chosen to do nothing, thus silently endorsing. Leave it to the overburdened police to look for needles in the haystack.

We are getting nowhere by pretending to be of higher morale, of being more tolerant than we really are. That's just sweeping under the rug. People might be too afraid to say their true feelings in front of a camera, but they vote. And that's how we get such idiocies as Brexit, Trump, La Pen. What they all have in common? Xenophobia.

Don't get me wrong - I like multi-cultured Europe and I support giving shelter to incoming refugees. What pisses me off is all this tiptoeing around the issue and trying not to hurt someone's feelings while people are dying.

The British Muslim community does cooperate with authorities, many such plots have been foiled, in exactly that way. The extremists want to increase tensions, and provoke racist attacks on their own communities. Why? To create division and anger, to assist them to recruit supporters.

I think relying on calm, professional policing and investigation is the best and most effective way of dealing with the situation. Reaching out to people in all communities, so no one is afraid, isolated or mistreated. And so that they have the confidence to know, they can approach the authorities, if they have fears or concerns.

 

[88chaz88]

Muslim community should step up and take responsibility for all of this mess, otherwise they can and eventually will be held accountable.

They do.

They have the power to stop this madness by reporting suspicious individuals, by publicly condemning acts of violence, by education.

They do.

Top ranking Islam leaders should outcry that terrorists will get their asses fucked by the devil personally, instead of the 40 virgins in the afterlife.

They do.

And yet the Islam world have chosen to do nothing, thus silently endorsing.

Even fucking Wahabists condemn attacks like this when, and wherever they happen, whether it be Western Europe or the Middle East where it happens far more often. Far, far more response comes from the Muslim community on terrorism than the Jewish community on Israeli war crimes, Catholics on paedophilla, or the US on their drone attacks that accidentally just happen to kill hundreds of innocents.

Oh and before you go demanding proof because you ignorant asshats don't care to look yourself before making your bigoted claims. TOP FUCKING LINK WHILE GOOGLING "Islam leaders on Manchester".

You know what gets me most about your post? The fake fucking outrage and sympathy you try to pawn on us. You don't give a single solitary shit about any of the victims, be it those directly or indirectly affected. You only preface your post with these falsities to act superior to those who're genuinely and sincerely offering condolences while you use this horrific attack to spread your nasty uninformed tripe.

Take your fake sympathy and bigotry and shove it up your fucking arse.

 

[Eventhorizon]

We should not live in a world where anyone ever becomes used to this or accepts it.

 

[Milktoast Bandit]

I'm glad that my UK friends on this forum are unharmed.

 

[Tamagochi]

The extremists want to increase tensions, and provoke racist attacks on their own communities. Why? To create division and anger, to assist them to recruit supporters.

I don't really buy this - it sounds like over-rationalization. Extremists are just people and their decisions are primary motivated by emotions, such as anger, anxiety, separation etc. Happy, emphatic people of any religion do not go killing others.

Take your fake sympathy and bigotry and shove it up your fucking arse.

Thank you very much for expressing your tolerance and appreciation of another's opinion.

 

[88chaz88]

Thank you very much for expressing your tolerance and appreciation of another's opinion.

HA! The classical liberal defense. I don't have to tolerate or appreciate shit. Especially not bigotry and ignorance.

 

[Milktoast Bandit]

I don't really buy this - it sounds like over-rationalization. Extremists are just people and their decisions are primary motivated by emotions, such as anger, anxiety, separation etc. Happy, emphatic people of any religion do not go killing others

When we reject an entire religious population, the terrorists are there to accept them. Our fear and hatred plays right into their hands.

 

[Billy]

HA! The classical liberal defense. I don't have to tolerate or appreciate shit. Especially not bigotry and ignorance.

thus making you the progressive bigot. also something like 40% of uk muslims do not assist authorities and when polled would not turn over an imminent threat to police, so no, they really dont cooperate. your country is being colonized, but at least youre not racist right? thats was really matters here, the mindless virtue signalling of moral superiority, this is why there will be more rape gangs and more dead british children, its worth it to progressives.

 

[Billy]

When we reject an entire religious population, the terrorists are there to accept them. Our fear and hatred plays right into their hands.

So at what point does your suicidal viewpoint become too ridiculous to defend? when europe is 51% muslim? can native europeans resent it then or will that be faux pas too? when does the sharia law, bomb blasts, no go zones, rape gangs etc become too much?

 

[Billy]

and have you considered that not all groups of people are able to assimilate and thus should be kept out?

 

[Littlelissa]

and have you considered that not all groups of people are able to assimilate and thus should be kept out?

People don't come in groups.

 

[Littlelissa]

thus making you the progressive bigot. also something like 40% of uk muslims do not assist authorities and when polled would not turn over an imminent threat to police, so no, they really dont cooperate. your country is being colonized, but at least youre not racist right? thats was really matters here, the mindless virtue signalling of moral superiority, this is why there will be more rape gangs and more dead british children, its worth it to progressives.

So at what point does your suicidal viewpoint become too ridiculous to defend? when europe is 51% muslim? can native europeans resent it then or will that be faux pas too? when does the sharia law, bomb blasts, no go zones, rape gangs etc become too much?

And you believe that I've been victim to propaganda?

 

[Billy]

People don't come in groups.

totally incorrect. we all come in groups. couldnt be more wrong on that. we are social animals.

 

[Billy]

And you believe that I've been victim to propaganda?

yes, totally victimized.

 

[Tamagochi]

When we reject an entire religious population, the terrorists are there to accept them. Our fear and hatred plays right into their hands.

I agree. Yet somehow it feels like we're too busy censoring our own emotions and then forget to demand responsibility from members of that religious population.

The European terror attacks are going on for some 2 or 3 years already and current policies just do not work in preventing the incidents. If the trend continues we're headed towards serious trouble when all that bottled fear and hatred will be released.

 

[Littlelissa]

we all come in groups. couldnt be more wrong on that. we are social animals.

We belong to various groups. (In this case by birth), but we are not defined by these groups. They are not 'us'.

So at what point does your suicidal viewpoint become too ridiculous to defend? when europe is 51% muslim? can native europeans resent it then or will that be faux pas too? when does the sharia law, bomb blasts, no go zones, rape gangs etc become too much?

From here it's not much of a stretch of the imagination to think about Hitler and his Nazi propaganda against the Jews.

 

[Billy]

We belong to various groups. (In this case by birth), but we are not defined by these groups. They are not 'us'.

actually your racial identity is you, like it or not, its the deepest part of your identity. thats why i say youve been propagandized. that identity has been shamed out if you, tragic.

"From here it's not much of a stretch of the imagination to think about Hitler and his Nazi propaganda against the Jews."

lol oh no... not nazis!!! i do not disavow!