2 bombs explode at Boston Marathon-terrorist attack?

[muir]

I was going to post about this, but anything posted after a @muir post is rather superfluous :deadhorse:.

Not at all man...even if you say exactly the same thing it is still really important because it shows a growing body of opinion and that is one of the steeping stones on the way to overturning a redundant paradigm

'Conventional wisdom' is not set in stone or else we'd all still be saying the earth is flat instead of round

 

[the]

You've seen the heat i've drawn here recently

Even more reason to be specific in what is going on. Don't let yourself be silenced.

 

[the]

I'll see what i can find, but prob not tonight as its gettin late here!

yes the media is owned by the corporations, but who owns the corporations? I've posted a lot of youtube videos giving this sort of info recently!

Gay marriage is a fairly liberal issue so i would expect that to get through at some point; it's not an issue i have any emotions about...if gay people feel the need to bring the state into their relationship by signing a contract created by the state then that's their business

The state has nothing to do with my relationship...but that's just my view on that.

Monsanto is getting scary....the increasing power they are having over the food supply, the patents etc. They are part of the corporate web and of course they want the government to protect them and their rights against the people

One of the main forums for the corporate web is the council on foreign relations; here's a list of their members corporate or otherwise:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_the_Council_on_Foreign_Relations

Im was more referencing the smokescreen that was created that was taken advantage of by Monsanto. The gay marriage bit could have been anything, it juste needed to be something to avert attention.

 

[muir]

Im was more referencing the smokescreen that was created that was taken advantage of by Monsanto. The gay marriage bit could have been anything, it juste needed to be something to avert attention.

Oh yeah....yeah totally....makes sense

It has been leaked that a politician once advised their superior that a certain event that happened was 'a good time to bury bad news'

Whenever something like this happens its time to be extra vigilent as Quatzecotl said because this is opportunity time for them

The day before 911 happened Donald Rumsfeld admitted publically that the pentagon couldn't account for over $2trillion of missing funds! of course after the towers went down no one was talking about the missing funds

These 'terror' attacks are usually very sophisticated. They're not the work of some religious or ideological hotheads, they're the work of experts carried out as part of a 'strategy of tension': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_of_tension

 

[muir]

''A good time to bury bad news!''

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/1823120.stm

Spin doctor Jo Moore and transport department press chief Martin Sixsmith have both quit their jobs. The double resignation came shortly after Downing Street called on Transport Secretary Stephen Byers to get the continuing Whitehall spin row "sorted out".

It is clear that there has been a breakdown of trust within the department. This could not be allowed to continue

[TD="bgcolor: CCCC99"] Stephen Byers
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Ms Moore had faced widespread calls for her to quit since sending an e-mail as New York's twin towers burned, suggesting that 11 September was a good day to "bury" bad news. She eventually went along with her boss at the end of two days of leaks that had brought into the open the level of in-fighting among officials in the transport department.
The problem was highlighted in Ms Moore's resignation letter to Mr Byers, which said: "Clearly there are some individuals in the department who are not prepared to work with me and are even prepared to invent stories about me as they have done this week."

E-mail rebuke
The row was sparked by newspaper reports that Mr Sixsmith rebuked Ms Moore in an e-mail for planning to release bad rail figures on the day of Princess Margaret's funeral.
Downing Street initially said the e-mail rebuke did not exist but performed a U-turn on Thursday afternoon after its existence was confirmed.

It is perfectly clear that Stephen Byers cannot run his own office, let alone a transport network. He should go

[TD="bgcolor: CCCC99"] Theresa May
Tory transport spokeswoman
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Tony Blair's official spokesman was furious at having to contradict his earlier statement and at the way the discussions had been "spun and twisted" in leaks to the media. The Conservatives reacted to the departures by calling for Mr Byers to quit as well.
Shadow transport secretary Theresa May said: "The judgment of Stephen Byers was already in question after he stood by Jo Moore after the e-mail of September 11 and it would be wrong for him to survive when both of his appointments have had to go.
"It is perfectly clear that Stephen Byers cannot run his own office, let alone a transport network. He should go."
'No finger of blame'
In a statement released after the news of the double departure, Mr Byers said the two had done "the right thing".
Mr Byers said: "It is clear that there has been a breakdown of trust within the department. This could not be allowed to continue.

Sixsmith branded the row a "distraction"

"Both Martin Sixsmith and Jo Moore have done the right thing by offering their resignations. "The department faces major challenges to deliver our ambitious programme. It will need the undivided attention of ministers and civil servants.
"I believe that, as a result of these resignations, we shall be in a far stronger position to meet these challenges in the months and years ahead."
The e-mail at the centre of the row was sent by Mr Sixsmith to Mr Byers and copied to Ms Moore and an unnamed official.
Staff in all government press offices had been ordered by the head of the government's information and communications service not to air their complaints about ministers' spin doctors in the media.
Earlier on Friday, Mr Sixsmith said the whole story was "complete nonsense and worse than that a distraction".

 

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[Stu]

@muir 90% of your posts are on one and only one topic, the conspiracy of an international banking cartel set on the enslavement of humanity by perverting elected governments to massacre their people.

 

[muir]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

False flag has its origins in naval warfare where the use of a flag other than the belligerent's true battle flag as a ruse de guerre, before engaging an enemy, has long been acceptable. It is also acceptable in certain circumstances in land warfare, to deceive enemies in similar ways providing that the deception is not perfidious and all such deceptions are discarded before opening fire upon the enemy.

Covert military or paramilitary operations designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by other entities may be described as being carried out under a false flag or black flag. Operations carried during peace-time by civilian organisation, as well as covert government agencies, may by extension be called false flag operations if they seek to hide the real organisation behind an operation.

 

[muir]

Its an old old trick:

La Mano Negra (Spanish, in English, "The Black Hand") was a supposed secret and violent anarchist organization that was founded in Andalucia, Spain at the end of the 19th century.
Although the local anarchist groups affirm that they had nothing to do with this said organization, the police carried out a strong repression against anarchists based on four crimes committed by La Mano Negra at the end of 1882, and the first months of 1883.
The results of the ensuing revolt was that 15 peasants were condemned to death, of which 7 where executed in the Plaza del Mercado in Jerez de la Frontera, on June 14 of 1884. The trial was covered by Leopoldo Alas (Clarín) for the Jerez newspaper El Día, who also reported on the condition of Andalusian peasants.
Even today it is not clear if La Mano Negra existed or if it was an invention of the government of Práxedes Mateo Sagasta to combat the revolts of the countryside in the south of Spain, as Vicente Blasco Ibáñez denounced in his novel La Bodega.

 

[muir]

@muir 90% of your posts are on one and only one topic, the conspiracy of an international banking cartel set on the enslavement of humanity by perverting elected governments to massacre their people.

I'm putting my opinion across in a public forum

Just because you don't like what someone else says doesn't mean you get to tell them to shut up

If you spent less time attacking me and more time listening to what i'm saying and looking into it you would see that what i'm contributing is insightful and historically verifiable

 

[acd]

If this was a terrorist thing--domestic or otherwise, wouldn't we have heard something from the perpetrators?
It seems like the point of a terrorist attack is to draw attention to yourself/ cause... But no one has a clue who could have perpetrated this. The bombs are thought to have been made from pressure cookers and nails...
So far, just sounds like a lone psycho to me...or maybe someone/ some group practicing for an even bigger attack.

This of course is just my own meaningless speculation.

I am not convinced of any conspiracy yet. There are some crazies out there. There is a chaotic unstable component to society.

If a guy can walk into a Home Depot and cut his arms off with a saw, a psycho can make bombs with pressure cookers and blow people up for fun.

 

[muir]

If this was a terrorist thing--domestic or otherwise, wouldn't we have heard something from the perpetrators?
It seems like the point of a terrorist attack is to draw attention to yourself/ cause... But no one has a clue who could have perpetrated this. The bombs are thought to have been made from pressure cookers and nails...
So far, just sounds like a lone psycho to me...or maybe someone/ some group practicing for an even bigger attack.
This of course is just my own meaningless speculation.

I agree with the first part of what you're saying but not the other

The whole point of 'terrorism' is to create maximum effect from minimum effort

If someone or some group is/are ideologically, politically or religiously motivated then they will want to publicise their cause; they will take responsibility....they want to be heard. if their act is not linked to them then they gain no political kudos/publicity/impact whatever

If no one lays claim then the attack has been carried out simply to create blind fear

So who wants to create blind fear?

The government is marshalling the herd. If they want to change the direction of the herd they fire their guns in the air.....bang, bang! and the herd reacts out of knee jerk instinct and goes in the direction the herders want them to

 

[Paladin-X]

If this was a terrorist thing--domestic or otherwise, wouldn't we have heard something from the perpetrators?
It seems like the point of a terrorist attack is to draw attention to yourself/ cause... But no one has a clue who could have perpetrated this. The bombs are thought to have been made from pressure cookers and nails...
So far, just sounds like a lone psycho to me...or maybe someone/ some group practicing for an even bigger attack.

This of course is just my own meaningless speculation.

I am not convinced of any conspiracy yet. There are some crazies out there. There is a chaotic unstable component to society.

If a guy can walk into a Home Depot and cut his arms off with a saw, a psycho can make bombs with pressure cookers and blow people up for fun.

This has been my feeling too. Perhaps some kind of anarchist and/or mentally unstable person.

 

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To be fair, you violated #3 by calling Muir an asshole.

 

[subwayrider]

I have also noted the television's scaremongering.

They're quick to pin it on terrorists -- the contextual connotation wherewith is Islamic Extremist Terrorists.

 

[Stu]

i did, i am sorry. it is not him, its his brain.

 

[muir]

To be fair, you violated #3 by calling Muir an asshole.

rofl

But its cool cos i respect his right to call me an asshole!

But he should also respect my right to say i believe elements within the government are behind this and other 'terror' events

 

[acd]

I agree with the first part of what you're saying but not the other

The whole point of 'terrorism' is to create maximum effect from minimum effort

If someone or some group is/are ideologically, politically or religiously motivated then they will want to publicise their cause; they will take responsibility....they want to be heard. if their act is not linked to them then they gain no political kudos/publicity/impact whatever

If no one lays claim then the attack has been carried out simply to create blind fear

So who wants to create blind fear?

The government is marshalling the herd. If they want to change the direction of the herd they fire their guns in the air.....bang, bang! and the herd reacts out of knee jerk instinct and goes in the direction the herders want them to

I edited my post to add another point.

The interesting thing about that is that Obama was very careful not to use language that would lead people to think he declared this as a terrorist attack. It's possible that the government orchestrated it to create fear, but I personally am not convinced of that yet. Obama already passed oppressive legislation to "keep Americans safe." Most people didn't care. He didn't have to blow anyone up to do that.

I am just musing about this. I don't know exactly what to think, but initially, those are my thoughts.

 

[the]

Muir, what do you think the corporation wants the end state to look like? The American people feel just fine to let them buy and sell what ever they wish and offer essentially no resistance. The government does their bidding daily. What more is there to gain? I don't see what more protection could be offered, it would just make things very redundant.

 

[acd]

Why is muir the one infracted from that when stu came right out and called him an asshole?
muirs opinions may not be popular, but I've never seen him attack someone for disagreeing with him.