American Weed

Should marijuana be legal to use?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 84.6%

  • Yes-- but only for medicinal use

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 15.4%
  • Total voters
    26
Korg said:
It should be legalized and taxed. I think the majority of drugs should be legalized and taxed, really.
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IMO, America as a whole tends to be very close-minded-- in general. We won't even try legalizing drugs as an experiment, to see if any good comes out of it. There was a program in Switzerland where they would give pure, free heroin to heroin addicts:

[video=youtube;ZMMFWPl6ue4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMMFWPl6ue4[/video]
 
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subwayrider said:
IMO, America as a whole tends to be very close-minded-- in general. We won't even try legalizing drugs as an experiment
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Well, I'm pretty sure the barriers towards legalization have less to do with close mindedness (or moral reservations) and more to do with corporate lobbyists who are influencing drug policy to protect their interests. Examples:

1) Private prisons that seek to keep drugs illegal (and even to extend sentences) because they profit from incarcerated people.
2) Alcohol and tobacco companies (and possibly big pharma as well) who wish to constrain folks to only using and purchasing their drugs / substances.
3) Police forces who have huge income streams generated by the war on drugs, private property seizures during drug raids, etc.

The idea that lawmakers are just ignorant about the relative harmlessness of pot or are just myopic, close minded zealots is a bit of a misnomer.
 
subwayrider said:
In the posted TV show, it was found that the availability of marijuana (including for those not legally authorized to use it) skyrocketed with the opening of the dispensaries. Indeed, some people with (red, in CO) cards are dealers. Because of this (hopefully) minority of 'patients,' opposition sees the dispensaries fueling crime. In the 5th or 6th episode of the show, the voting comes to a close and all the dispensaries in Ft. Collins are forced to shut down.

I propose, simply, to make it more difficult to get a medical card. Patients should be screened by responsible doctors, found to have a legitimate condition, etc. Medical cards shouldn't be given to dealers. There'd be really no need to close down legitimate establishments if the proper steps were taken to ensure the wrong people didn't have cards.

Once at episode 8 or 9, we start to see Josh (dispensary owner) become interested in research and development of medicines derived from the cannabinoids in marijuana that are not THC. Taking the "high" out of medicating is one more step to being a fully legitimate industry. There is potentially a lot of money to be made here. Obviously, pharmaceutical companies stand to lose a lot-- A LOT, so I don't think we'll be seeing the development of cannabinoid medicines soon, other than straight weed and the usual. But it's a great idea.
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Why take out the high? Opioids have the high. Sleeping pills have the high. Hell, every type of medicine has a high. A high is a characteristic part of the whole 'make you feel better while not fixing a damn thing.'

Removing the high from marijuana is ridiculous when marijuana's high is very weak, even in large amounts, as compared to alcohol, which can be obtained legally, and desoxyn, which is given out for narcolepsy and ADHD. Desoxyn, by the way, is methamphetamine. The same shit being made in meth labs across the country.

Why the fuck are we worried about getting a weak high out of a drug that makes people feel good with minimal side effects no matter how you use it? Seriously. That's bizarrely ridiculous.

I've seen this 'take out the high' argument, and it's basically like removing the orgasm but allowing ejaculation.
 
unpersons said:
I've seen this 'take out the high' argument, and it's basically like removing the orgasm but allowing ejaculation.
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Similar to non alcoholic beer and decaffeinated coffee.
If I am going to drink beer or coffee, I want the effects from it.
 
(1st post)
Why shouldn't it be legal? I've never heard a good, educated, argument for prohibition.
 
tabularasa said:
(1st post)
Why shouldn't it be legal? I've never heard a good, educated, argument for prohibition.
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(3,189th post)
that is an excellent first post!
 
Perhaps the government is only interested in legalizing vices that are harmful to our bodies. It wouldn't want the medical and pharmaceutical world to fall short of patients now, would it?
 
unpersons said:
Why take out the high? Opioids have the high. Sleeping pills have the high. Hell, every type of medicine has a high. A high is a characteristic part of the whole 'make you feel better while not fixing a damn thing.'

Removing the high from marijuana is ridiculous when marijuana's high is very weak, even in large amounts, as compared to alcohol, which can be obtained legally, and desoxyn, which is given out for narcolepsy and ADHD. Desoxyn, by the way, is methamphetamine. The same shit being made in meth labs across the country.

Why the fuck are we worried about getting a weak high out of a drug that makes people feel good with minimal side effects no matter how you use it? Seriously. That's bizarrely ridiculous.

I've seen this 'take out the high' argument, and it's basically like removing the orgasm but allowing ejaculation.
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Let's start by defining "high."
high
39.
Slang .
a. a euphoric state induced by alcohol, drugs, etc.

1. Not everyone wants the (borderline, and sometimes fully, psychedelic) high that comes with THC. But, I'd bet that many, many people would enjoy the pain-relieving properties of CBN and CBD in favor of addiction-inducing opiates.
2. According to our dictionary.com definition, not all medications have a high, because not all of them induce euphoria.

More later
 
Korg said:
1) Private prisons that seek to keep drugs illegal (and even to extend sentences) because they profit from incarcerated people.
2) Alcohol and tobacco companies (and possibly big pharma as well) who wish to constrain folks to only using and purchasing their drugs / substances.
3) Police forces who have huge income streams generated by the war on drugs, private property seizures during drug raids, etc.
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Is it more expensive to restrict marijuana usage? or more expensive to keep the lobbyists from attempting to perpetuate greedy prohibitionistic laws?
If it is legalized, will companies and organizations try to hoard the supply, such that we are back in the same boat?
 
Korg said:
Well, I'm pretty sure the barriers towards legalization have less to do with close mindedness (or moral reservations) and more to do with corporate lobbyists who are influencing drug policy to protect their interests. Examples:

1) Private prisons that seek to keep drugs illegal (and even to extend sentences) because they profit from incarcerated people.
2) Alcohol and tobacco companies (and possibly big pharma as well) who wish to constrain folks to only using and purchasing their drugs / substances.
3) Police forces who have huge income streams generated by the war on drugs, private property seizures during drug raids, etc.

The idea that lawmakers are just ignorant about the relative harmlessness of pot or are just myopic, close minded zealots is a bit of a misnomer.
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Close-mindedness is still relevant because, though the lawmakers may be well informed, it's the general populace who vote those laws into effect. Why the people wouldn't want weed legalized, other than adherence to tradition or ignorance, I dunno. It seems it's usually the older crowd that votes down pro-marijuana bills-- like in the TV show in the opening post. It only lost 54% to 46%, so that's encouraging.

I didn't know the prison system was privatized. Yeah, those all make sense.
 
subwayrider said:
Let's start by defining "high."
high
39.
Slang .
a. a euphoric state induced by alcohol, drugs, etc.

1. Not everyone wants the (borderline, and sometimes fully, psychedelic) high that comes with THC. But, I'd bet that many, many people would enjoy the pain-relieving properties of CBN and CBD in favor of addiction-inducing opiates.
2. According to our dictionary.com definition, not all medications have a high, because not all of them induce euphoria.

More later
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Have you ever smoked weed? It's really fucking weak all around. I feel mostly normal and I act normal when I'm really high. People can't tell a difference. For comparison, pretty much everything else you can take, it's the exact opposite. Why not remove the high from opioids? Removing the high from marijuana is going to always make the possible side effects more frequent and negative.

We don't take out highs from medicines. Opioid medicines and others would react better without their high than weed and they would be easier/cheaper to remove. So why does anything get us high? Why is there not a push to do this to all drugs?

subwayrider said:
Close-mindedness is still relevant because, though the lawmakers may be well informed, it's the general populace who vote those laws into effect. Why the people wouldn't want weed legalized, other than adherence to tradition or ignorance, I dunno. It seems it's usually the older crowd that votes down pro-marijuana bills-- like in the TV show in the opening post. It only lost 54% to 46%, so that's encouraging.

I didn't know the prison system was privatized. Yeah, those all make sense.
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/150149/record-high-americans-favor-legalizing-marijuana.aspx
 
Korg said:
I will be happy to as soon as you tell us where you're getting the idea that it's the general populace who vote laws into effect.
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No idea -__-

Go on
 
subwayrider said:
No idea -__-

Go on
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The general public only really votes on Representatives most of the time. Some states have ballot initiatives people vote for, some have forced ballots. Most of them you just vote on someone to represent you and your ideologies (or so you believe), wait for them to do things in your name, and either vote on them again or vote them out, accordingly.

Marijuana itself was something the people got no vote on. Likewise with other drugs.
 
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have you ever smoked weed?
 
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