AntiFA, the newest terrorist organization.

[Wyote]

Are there any transcripts on this? I'd prefer not to watch video. Just asking.

I don't know man, if you bothered to look into it you'd know that generally speaking reasonable people on the left and right do not condone violence

 

[sprinkles]

When you state something as true, you should inherently accept any consequences of that thing being true.

 

[88chaz88]

Antifa aren't liberal.
Antifa aren't left.
Antifa aren't alt-left.

They aren't socialist. They aren't communist. They aren't even an organised group.

Antifa only show up to counter protest white nationalists. There isn't anything that unites them otherwise.

 

[Wyote]

 

[Eventhorizon]

I don't know man, if you bothered to look into it you'd know that generally speaking reasonable people on the left and right do not condone violence

Watching videos takes longer. Let me watch when I have more time and I'll comment later.

 

[Stu]

And yet liberal news stations and liberals in general won't denounce the actions of antifa or call attention to the violence created by them. Hmmmm....

I searched on Grabien which is a site that compiles news media broadcast clips, and in truth there is a dearth of Dem leaning outlets condemning Antifa. On the other hand you would think they are taking over the country by the volume of GOP leaning outlets talking about them. Another thing the Right media is in a Tizzy about is the Southern Poverty Law Center.
https://grabien.com/file.php?id=244215&searchorder=relevance

08/15/2017
Summary
Noah Rothman: Violence Is Violence Whether Left or Right and We Have to Call It What It Is (clip)
Subjects
Willie Geist, Donald Trump, Noah Rothman, Charlottesville, Va. protests - 2017
Source
MSNBC
Show
Morning Joe
Featured persons
Willie Geist, Noah Rothman
Event
panel
Event location
New York, N.Y.
Link
Not online media
Transcript
[excerpt]
ROTHMAN: “Saturday was not the time to make moral equivalencies. A year ago was. There was an event that passed through the nation’s consciousness like an apparition, and we did not address it. In Sacramento in June of 2016, white supremacists secured a permit, they marched into the capital and they demonstrated on the streets of the capital of California. They were accosted by people who called themselves ‘By Any Means Necessary,’ which became a nucleus of what became Antifa. They came armed. They were violent. The police said that it wasn’t the white supremacists who started this, it was the Antifa. About a month ago, one of the organizers of that event, a woman named Yvette Felarca was arrested and charged with conspiring to incite a riot and engaging in violence herself. We didn’t talk about any of this. These were people who were literally flying the flags of Bolshevism and attacking people who were demonstrating pro-fascist ideologies. It was our Weimar moment, and we didn’t talk about it.”
GEIST: “The point you’re making and the point that a lot of people have looked at, and you’ve heard from many of them online, I assume, over the last 24 hours or so, is that the action in Charlottesville was perpetrated allegedly by white supremacists, the murderous action, but this has been going on in this country now for a couple of years on the left as well where you have political violence perpetrated by Antifa. If you want to call them the left, I don’t know what they are exactly, but the violence is not limited to one side in this country.”
ROTHMAN: “No, it’s not.”
GEIST: “Is that a fair assessment?”
ROTHMAN: “Yeah, absolutely. One of the least covered stories of 2016 was the organized violence demonstrated against Trump supporters. We covered the violence committed by Trump supporters at Trump’s behest as we should have. We didn’t really cover the violence that was reciprocal. And there’s sort of a moral complexity there which is absent from what happened Saturday. It’s easy to attack Nazis. We know how that went in history. There’s no moral ambiguity as to whether it’s okay to attack Nazis. When it comes to the lashing out of people who are, for example, Hispanics, who have been demonized by this president, who were lashing out at those supporters and breaking bottles over people’s heads, people are more conflicted about that, and they shouldn’t be. Violence is violence, and we should be able to call it what it is.”

 

[Eventhorizon]

I searched on Grabien which is a site that compiles news media broadcast clips, and in truth there is a dearth of Dem leaning outlets condemning Antifa. On the other hand you would think they are taking over the country by the volume of GOP leaning outlets talking about them. Another thing the Right media is in a Tizzy about is the Southern Poverty Law Center.
https://grabien.com/file.php?id=244215&searchorder=relevance

08/15/2017
Summary
Noah Rothman: Violence Is Violence Whether Left or Right and We Have to Call It What It Is (clip)
Subjects
Willie Geist, Donald Trump, Noah Rothman, Charlottesville, Va. protests - 2017
Source
MSNBC
Show
Morning Joe
Featured persons
Willie Geist, Noah Rothman
Event
panel
Event location
New York, N.Y.
Link
Not online media
Transcript
[excerpt]
ROTHMAN: “Saturday was not the time to make moral equivalencies. A year ago was. There was an event that passed through the nation’s consciousness like an apparition, and we did not address it. In Sacramento in June of 2016, white supremacists secured a permit, they marched into the capital and they demonstrated on the streets of the capital of California. They were accosted by people who called themselves ‘By Any Means Necessary,’ which became a nucleus of what became Antifa. They came armed. They were violent. The police said that it wasn’t the white supremacists who started this, it was the Antifa. About a month ago, one of the organizers of that event, a woman named Yvette Felarca was arrested and charged with conspiring to incite a riot and engaging in violence herself. We didn’t talk about any of this. These were people who were literally flying the flags of Bolshevism and attacking people who were demonstrating pro-fascist ideologies. It was our Weimar moment, and we didn’t talk about it.”
GEIST: “The point you’re making and the point that a lot of people have looked at, and you’ve heard from many of them online, I assume, over the last 24 hours or so, is that the action in Charlottesville was perpetrated allegedly by white supremacists, the murderous action, but this has been going on in this country now for a couple of years on the left as well where you have political violence perpetrated by Antifa. If you want to call them the left, I don’t know what they are exactly, but the violence is not limited to one side in this country.”
ROTHMAN: “No, it’s not.”
GEIST: “Is that a fair assessment?”
ROTHMAN: “Yeah, absolutely. One of the least covered stories of 2016 was the organized violence demonstrated against Trump supporters. We covered the violence committed by Trump supporters at Trump’s behest as we should have. We didn’t really cover the violence that was reciprocal. And there’s sort of a moral complexity there which is absent from what happened Saturday. It’s easy to attack Nazis. We know how that went in history. There’s no moral ambiguity as to whether it’s okay to attack Nazis. When it comes to the lashing out of people who are, for example, Hispanics, who have been demonized by this president, who were lashing out at those supporters and breaking bottles over people’s heads, people are more conflicted about that, and they shouldn’t be. Violence is violence, and we should be able to call it what it is.”

Need time to sift through this.

 

[Skarekrow]

Need time to sift through this.

No time to read about what you started the thread about...that has been your excuse the last 4 posts when inevitably someone posts information contrary and correct to what you are opining.
Then you just ignore it.

Tell me more about how all the liberals are uber-violent...better yet, post a montage of people being hurt...hahaha.
Sociopathic dribble.

 

[Eventhorizon]

No time to read about what you started the thread about...that has been your excuse the last 4 posts when inevitably someone posts information contrary and correct to what you are opining.
Then you just ignore it.

Tell me more about how all the liberals are uber-violent...better yet, post a montage of people being hurt...hahaha.
Sociopathic dribble.

Stupid post on your part. Try to come up with an excuse for why I ignore what you post that doesn't involve the fact its pretty much all crap. I'll listen to Wyote and Stu because even though I may not agree with their conclusion at least it's thought out and most of the sources are at the least credible. Not just some never heard of guy posting opinion on a blog some place.

Or maybe you just want attention so you've decided to waste my time yet again.

 

[Skarekrow]

Stupid post on your part. Try to come up with an excuse for why I ignore what you post that doesn't involve the fact it pretty much all c rap. I'll listen to White and Stu because even though I may not agree with their conclusion at least it's thought out and most of the sources are at the least credible.

Or maybe you just want attention so you've decided to waste my time again.

You are wasting everyone’s time.
People are trying to show you information that you refuse to see or listen to or read or take seriously...be it me or Stu or anyone else.
I could care less if you ignore me or pay attention to me, but this thread was started with opined statements and fabrications of non-reality, and half-facts.
Of course I’m the one who isn’t living in reality...I know how you feel.
Right back at cha.


This thread has only served to sow more seeds of separation, of hate, of bigotry, of racism, and fear.
Intended or not.
It serves to only cause more discontent, not solve any real problems we are facing.
Yes...Antifa is the thing we should really be worried about right now for sure...super important and way more dangerous than Neo-Nazi’s, the KKK, or giant hurricanes.

In fact...it’s probably the most important topic we could be talking about right now...it has really impacted my life dramatically.

 

[Wyote]

even though I may not agree with their conclusion

So you already know that the information I and Stu have presented is incorrect somehow without even looking into it, you just don't currently have a good counter argument

 

[Skarekrow]

So you already know that the information I and Stu have presented is incorrect somehow without even looking into it, you just don't currently have a good counter argument

He’s a damn genius don’t you know?
Hyper-intelligent.
Doesn’t need to answer questions that are below him.

 

[Wyote]

super important and way more dangerous than Neo-Nazi’s, the KKK, or giant hurricanes.

Or the 5G super grid. That's not important at all. Good thing everyone knows all about it! ::extreme sarcasm::

 

[Skarekrow]

Or the 5G super grid. That's not important at all. Good thing everyone knows all about it! ::extreme sarcasm::

I mean...what would we possibly concern ourselves with, if it weren’t for Antifa?
They’ve really done us a great service by occupying our time and energy, otherwise I could be thinking about actual worrisome things!
If I put my horse-blinders on, and narrowly focus on Antifa as THE sole problem of problems in the world...you totally forget about all the people dying from flooding around the world due to global warming (which is totally NOT manmade also btw), or like kids...dying and stuff of starvation or bombs.
Antifa is a serious problem for sure!

 

[Eventhorizon]

So you already know that the information I and Stu have presented is incorrect somehow without even looking into it, you just don't currently have a good counter argument

Not at all. First the post wasn't in response to you. It was response to a post made by skarekrow and in reference more to past posts from Stu. Making that distinction would have taken more words though. I have not watched nor read the material provided yet. I'm open to the idea I may be wrong but I am certainly not expecting that outcome.

 

[Stu]

It would seem that the threads EH starts are reverberations of material being broadcasted on conservative outlets. When I looked at the material on condemning Antfa it was overwhelmingly from right wingers accusing mainstream Dems of coddling violent extremists in their midst. This is what the right has been accused of for years with its reluctance to condemn various militia groups and even white supremacists. There is a whole lot of talk on the right about the Dems tendency to see racism at the heart of the conservative movement. There is outright denial of the well documented move by the GOP to pull white sourthern Dems into their sphere as the National Democratic Party took up the mantle of Civil Rights. Black Americans en mass abandoned the GOP over it.

The tactic is to accuse your accuser of the act you are being accused of. It is not productive, it is obstructive but it works.

 

[Eventhorizon]

It would seem that the threads EH starts are reverberations of material being broadcasted on conservative outlets. When I looked at the material on condemning Antfa it was overwhelmingly from right wingers accusing mainstream Dems of coddling violent extremists in their midst. This is what the right has been accused of for years with its reluctance to condemn various militia groups and even white supremacists. There is a whole lot of talk on the right about the Dems tendency to see racism at the heart of the conservative movement. There is outright denial of the well documented move by the GOP to pull white sourthern Dems into their sphere as the National Democratic Party took up the mantle of Civil Rights. Black Americans en mass abandoned the GOP over it.

The tactic is to accuse your accuser of the act you are being accused of. It is not productive, it is obstructive but it works.

Interesting. I simply want violence where ever it comes to be called what it is. The same with terrorism.

 

[Stu]

Interesting. I simply want violence where ever it comes to be called what it is. The same with terrorism.

if that were true you would not posit everything as a "blame the liberal....." whatever

 

[Wyote]

if that were true you would not posit everything as a "blame the liberal....." whatever

He simply wants liberals to be called what they are: Libtarded!

 

[Eventhorizon]

if that were true you would not posit everything as a "blame the liberal....." whatever

I want liberals to understand the hyporcacy they embody primarily.