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Back to the subject: http://news.yahoo.com/russia-toying-us-missile-sale-iran-raises-210520181.html
Are we as a society being kept from discussing the big issues?
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Yeah the S-300 is the air defense missile system i was referring to before
It is a DEFENSIVE weapon so that countries who's banks are not owned by the rothschilds can protect themselves from the rothschilds attack dog Israel which has said many times that it wants to attack Iran and in fact already has attacked Iran by assassinating Iranian scientists and launching powerful cyber attacks for example Stuxnet and Flame
If it was the other way around and Iran had assassinated Israeli scientists and launched cyber attacks the Israelis would have declared all out war
We all have the cool heads in Iran and the Kremlin to thank for the current peace in the middle east
We have Israel and the US to thank for all the state sponsored terrorism, war and instability
It doesn't matter where in the world Israel and the US operate they seem to always manage to put us all in the shadow of nuclear war and therefore destruction. They did it against the USSR, they did it recently with N.Korea ann now they are doing it again in the middle east
When are the US people and Israeli people going to wake up and realise that the problem here is the central bankers who keep dragging them and everyone else into these conflicts?
In standing against rothschild domination Putin is the ally of the citizens of the US and Israel because he is only doing what everyone is going to need to do if they value their freedoms
He has even reached out to the people in the USA with an opinion peace in the New York Times. he recommends the peaceful option in Syria and he says he does not like how the US leaders push this idea of ''US exceptionalism''. Putin reminds people of faith that God created all people equal
How sad that it takes a foreign leader to remind the US public of this....because they certianly will not get the truth from their own leadership
“It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too.”
“We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal,” Putin said in conclusion of his New York Times editorial.
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who knows!!! I dont read/watch mainstream media. In some ways i live under a rock. But the media i do read is left biased. So clearly i am very much biased in this.
I was making that point more to do with my interpretation of his policy- which seems to speak for itself, no media interpretation necessary. But.. what i should say is 'In my opinion, this is a man who holds views and policies that are racist, sexist, homophobic and ignorant'. That is a better way to put it. He isnt a bad man, just someone i disagree with. Potentially someone that is very idealistic and committed to his values, albeit very different values and beliefs to my own.
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There is nothing keeping us from discussing important issues. The problem is that the vast majority of people have little or no awareness of such issues, and even if they are aware, they typically don't want to have any sort of rational discussion.
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I think a better title for this thread would be 'why doesn't anyone realize that muir is 100 percent right about everything?!'
It's obvious that anything that isn't in line with what he thinks is a deception.
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Just because you say something bad about a person (in an attempt to stigmatise them) it doesn't mean that its true or that people can't see through such a crude deception
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[video=youtube;sEG8mBNe9Io]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEG8mBNe9Io[/video]
Have a watch. This is a pbs show about Iran Contra.
Have a watch. This is a pbs show about Iran Contra.
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"Each decade seems to have had a defining feature. We are all aware of the beat 50's, the swinging sixties and how that optimism started to nose dive with Vietnam and Watergate in the 70's followed by the materialism of the 80's and so on."
This is fascinating its as if society is collectively rebooting itself. Reminds me very much of the Maslow's heirarchy. I saw a video on youtube before about the changes during these times in the self reflection observed in new literature genres. The video was concerning the change in comics and other multiple author literature to meet the demands of audiences. One such movement during this time that was mentioned was Existentialism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism
I do quite enjoy the videos over at Cracked or College humor poking light hearted fun at these sorts of things.
The reference by the post about the Internet is interesting. It really pisses me off when people attack mediums of communication. Its not that far off from defecating where you eat. Speaking of such muir your browser doesn't support spell checking please fix that. I recommend one of these new webkit based browsers they have some nifty next generation features.
This is fascinating its as if society is collectively rebooting itself. Reminds me very much of the Maslow's heirarchy. I saw a video on youtube before about the changes during these times in the self reflection observed in new literature genres. The video was concerning the change in comics and other multiple author literature to meet the demands of audiences. One such movement during this time that was mentioned was Existentialism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism
I do quite enjoy the videos over at Cracked or College humor poking light hearted fun at these sorts of things.
The reference by the post about the Internet is interesting. It really pisses me off when people attack mediums of communication. Its not that far off from defecating where you eat. Speaking of such muir your browser doesn't support spell checking please fix that. I recommend one of these new webkit based browsers they have some nifty next generation features.
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Obamas or friedmans?
Obviously the keywords he was trying to drill into the minds of his listeners were 'fair' and 'inequality'.
This needs to be seen in the context of what his paymasters are trying to achieve
They are applying a double standard to society. They will chase the little guy for small amounts of dollars whilst letting the corporations avoid tax by moving offshore. He will say everyone should get a fair shot whilst social mobility is down and inequality is rampant because its what people want to hear
He will say everyone needs to do their fair share, but what do the banks do? They do not create anything...all they do is extract interest from the real economy like a parasite.
He talks about the millionaires and billionaires but the real problem is the trillionaires! But the trillionaires will steal from the millionaires once they're done sucking the middle class dry then they'll come after the billionaires. Anyone who is not a member of the cartel will be impoverished. They want no one to be able to challenge their authority
People will call Obama a 'socialist' but what they really mean is that he supports big government and a centrally controlled economy. A true socialist would argue that the workers should own and control the means of production but thats not what Obamas bosses want. They want to own everything and they want a strong government which they will control to protect them from the people (essentially fascism)
Friedman is one of the philosophical driving forces behind neoliberalism which has been the stick that the banking cartel has used to beat the people of the world with. In a nutshell neoliberalism is a series of structural adjustments that when applied to a country will facilitate the movement of public wealth away from the people and into the hands of the banking cartel. The people of the majority world have been the victims of this policy for the longest but now the people in the 'west' are beginning to suffer from it as well
Friedman might talk about an unfair system in terms of peoples innate abilities but the members of the banking cartel are not self made men....they are born into unimaginable wealth and insider knowledge; it is not a level playing field out there
But you will get their minions like the mayor of London Boris Johnson saying things like the system is shaped the way it is by IQ. This is simply not true....it is not a meritocracy....it is an oligarchy bound by blood ties
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Check this out!! Scary stuff!
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liber...verge-ability-make-people-digitally-disappear
Check this out!! Scary stuff!
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liber...verge-ability-make-people-digitally-disappear
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As the article says Orwell warned us about 'the memory hole' in his novel 1984. Orwell worked in the propaganda dept of the BBC during WWII so he had insight into that murky world; during this time he got insight into the aims of the fabian society. He wrote his novel to warn us and in it Big Brothers control freakery was not satisfied with physically destroying opposition it also wanted to eradicate the existence of an idea in the mind of an opponent before putting a bullet through their brain
I have no illusions about what we are up against
At the very least they are psychopaths and beyond that it is quite possible that they are an outside force that has hacked our consciousness and is feeding off us
In qabalistic terms 'evil' cannot exist alone....it is part of the wider whole. So in order to exist it needs to draw down divine light and encapsulate it to sustain itself. It puts a casing or shell around things. This is why the cabal often use the skull and bones emblem because the skeleton is symbolic of our physical shell
Stepping out of the metaphysical realm into the physical realm (holographic informational field) and looking at whats going on in our world ie how the black magick cabal is behaving (banking cartel controlling the worlds 3 main commodities: weapons, drugs & oil) it becomes clear that they are mirroring the metaphysical description of 'evil' ie they invert the truth, they create divisons and wars, they dehumanise people and they are destructive agents of chaos.
It would appear that they are either deliberately fulfilling that contrary role or actually ARE a 'physical' manifestation of that incorporeal force or these descriptions outline underlying patterns in our psyche and have identified a destructtive element within our psyche which is being expressed through these people
So if you take that paradigm and put it in front of your sight like a pair of sunglasses and look around at the world then it becomes clear that this malevolent force is hell bent on controlling and enslaving humanity in order to feed off it
The process by which this force has achieved this is through limiting the human perception of what is possible to such a degree that it cannot see the bars of its own prison
So the 'awakening' is truely an awakening to a state of wider perception
This awakening is gathering pace exponentially....its going 'viral'. The cabal have admitted as much as shown in the clip below where cabal member brzezinski speaks about a global awakening of political consciousness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHknL5z8f6k
There is no mystery to that. if you tell 20 people something and then they each tell 20 more people the same thing and then those people then each tell 20 other people then in a certain amount of time everyone on the planet will know that thing. The internet enables that to happen at lightning speed, hence the cabals efforts to control the internet
The awakening is threatening to thwart the efforts of the cabal which is in turn forcing their hand to then act more quickly and more overtly to try and achieve their goal (getting humanity into a state of slavery from which resistance will be impossible). But in rushing their plans their actions then capture more attention from the unawakened masses who then begin to question more and more the state of affairs leading to their own awakening, thereby speeding up the wider awakening
So the more they try to enslave our minds the more minds slip through their grasp
The serpent has caused ripples in the water before leading some to point and exclaim whilst others scoffed and denied, but now it has breached the water and we can all look upon its face and know its intent; the false refuge of denial shrinks by the day
[video=youtube;QVgl1HOxpj8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVgl1HOxpj8[/video]
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I will respond to your last post a little later...lot’s of good info there!
I thought on another note that you would also find this very interesting!
If you didn’t believe it before, (which I’m sure YOU did) here is yet more proof of the extreme class inequality going on here in the US.
I find this particularly revolting as I work in healthcare...that all these hospitals can claim “nonprofit” status and still turn people away based on income (this is not supposed to happen as they receive government funding ---- hmmmmm?) but even those hospitals that claim “for-profit” status, there are supposedly “laws” that state that they MUST not turn you away....and for the most part they do not violate this law now. But now...under fine-print within the new ACA law are the tools to undermine this and put into law that they can turn you away despite previous stated laws.
We will never have universal healthcare in this country because too many (truly sick) individuals and corporations are making money off the rest of us being sick and injured (partially the drug companies keeping people addicted to meds and pushing made-up diseases down our throats on TV and ads).
They can only push their luck and cut back on the scraps they feed us so much before the “working class” (notice I didn’t say “middle class” notice even how that has been changed over the years...it used to be working class for years, then somehow it became “middle class” because that implies that you are independent, whereas “working class” speaks of being owned) will take no more shit are fight back.....it is almost to the breaking point now.
Anyhow, here’s the article:
Top Tier Hospitals Excluded from Obamacare
By Eric PianinDecember 9, 2013 2:15 PM
With the Dec. 23 deadline looming for signing up for health insurance under Obamacare, consumers rushing to purchase new coverage may be in for a rude shock if they focus principally on finding the least expensive premiums, according to experts.
That’s because many people buying coverage on the federal exchanges either to replace old policies or to obtain coverage for the first time could get hit with deductibles and other out-of-pocket costs much higher than is typical in employer-sponsored health plans.
Related: Obamacare Fixes Hide a Big Mess on the Back End
Perhaps more importantly, they may find themselves excluded from some of the best hospitals in the country and their affiliated doctors.
Deductible Sticker Shock
Gail Wilensky, a senior fellow for Project HOPE and the Medicare director for the first Bush Administration, said on Monday that consumers should be as mindful of deductibles and the hospitals and doctors in network as the monthly premium costs in shopping around.
“What you’re buying is not just the benefits specified in the law but whom you will have access to in getting the service delivered,” she said in an interview. Many of the policies being offered on the federal and state exchanges carry annual deductibles that often top $5,000 for an individual and $10,000 for a couple, according to The New York Times.
“Right now, most of the focus has been on the cost of the monthly premium and occasionally people have remembered to . . .look at what the deductible and the co-insurance is, because that is as important as the premium,” she added. “Whether a hospital is in or out of network is really the third piece: don’t forget to look at what you’re buying.”
Related: Millennials Jump Ship Over Obamacare Bait and Switch
Like most insurance policies, the lower the premium the higher the deductible. For example, in El Paso, Tex., for a couple both age 35, one of the cheapest plans on the federal exchange, offered by Blue Cross and Blue Shield, has a premium of less than $300 a month but an annual deductible of more than $12,000, according to the Times. In the case of a 45-year-old couple purchasing insurance on the federal exchange in Saginaw, Mich., a policy with a premium of $515 a month carries a deductible of $10,000 a year.
Some of the Best Hospitals Are Off Limits
Americans purchasing health insurance on the federal and state exchanges may be in for an even bigger shock when they discover some of the best hospitals in the country out of reach, even when those hospitals were previously available to them under their personal policies. That’s because most of the top hospitals in the country will accept insurance from only one or two companies operating under Obamacare.
Obamacare regulations and government subsidies are likely to make insurance more affordable for millions of Americans, as President Obama and senior aides have repeatedly boasted. But many insurers have responded to Obamacare caps on premiums by offering top-tier hospitals and physicians far less money for services rendered. And they’re responding by strictly limiting the number of policies they will accept.
Related: Will Obamacare Tech Fixes Plug Political Fallout?
Watchdog.org recently looked at the top 18 hospitals nationwide as ranked by U.S. News and World Report for 2013-2014 – contacting each hospital to determine their contracts and policies. The government watchdog group found that many of the best hospitals in the country were simply opting out of Obamacare – much to the detriment of people in search of the best or most specialized health care.
Both Ohio and California have a dozen insurance companies on their exchanges, yet two of the states’ premier hospitals — Cleveland Clinic and Cedars-Sinai Medical Center — have only one company in their respective networks.
A few, such as top rated Johns Hopkins in Baltimore, are mandated under state law to accept all insurance companies. Other than that, the hospital with the largest number of insurance companies is University Hospitals Case Medical Center in Cleveland with just four. Fully 11 of the 18 hospitals had just one or two carriers, according to Watchdog.org.
Amid a drive by insurers to limit costs, the majority of insurance plans being sold on the new health care exchanges in New York, Texas and California will not offer patients access to Memorial Sloan Kettering in New York City or MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, two top cancer centers, according to the Financial Times.
“We shouldn’t be surprised by this,” Wilensky said. “There was a lot of pressure that exchanges placed on insurance plans to keep premiums low, and the benefits are specified in law for each of the four levels of health care plans. If the benefits are specified and the premiums are pressed low – sometimes lower than the insurance companies thought was appropriate, a major way to try to accommodate that financial pressure is to limit the number of physicians and hospitals.”
“And by limiting the number of physicians and hospitals, you may get those that you include to accept a lower reimbursement,” she added.
Consumers have until Dec. 23 to enroll in new health insurance under Obamacare to qualify for coverage beginning Jan. 1. However, open enrollment will continue through the end of March.
I will respond to your last post a little later...lot’s of good info there!
I thought on another note that you would also find this very interesting!
If you didn’t believe it before, (which I’m sure YOU did) here is yet more proof of the extreme class inequality going on here in the US.
I find this particularly revolting as I work in healthcare...that all these hospitals can claim “nonprofit” status and still turn people away based on income (this is not supposed to happen as they receive government funding ---- hmmmmm?) but even those hospitals that claim “for-profit” status, there are supposedly “laws” that state that they MUST not turn you away....and for the most part they do not violate this law now. But now...under fine-print within the new ACA law are the tools to undermine this and put into law that they can turn you away despite previous stated laws.
We will never have universal healthcare in this country because too many (truly sick) individuals and corporations are making money off the rest of us being sick and injured (partially the drug companies keeping people addicted to meds and pushing made-up diseases down our throats on TV and ads).
They can only push their luck and cut back on the scraps they feed us so much before the “working class” (notice I didn’t say “middle class” notice even how that has been changed over the years...it used to be working class for years, then somehow it became “middle class” because that implies that you are independent, whereas “working class” speaks of being owned) will take no more shit are fight back.....it is almost to the breaking point now.
Anyhow, here’s the article:
Top Tier Hospitals Excluded from Obamacare
By Eric PianinDecember 9, 2013 2:15 PMWith the Dec. 23 deadline looming for signing up for health insurance under Obamacare, consumers rushing to purchase new coverage may be in for a rude shock if they focus principally on finding the least expensive premiums, according to experts.
That’s because many people buying coverage on the federal exchanges either to replace old policies or to obtain coverage for the first time could get hit with deductibles and other out-of-pocket costs much higher than is typical in employer-sponsored health plans.
Related: Obamacare Fixes Hide a Big Mess on the Back End
Perhaps more importantly, they may find themselves excluded from some of the best hospitals in the country and their affiliated doctors.
Deductible Sticker Shock
Gail Wilensky, a senior fellow for Project HOPE and the Medicare director for the first Bush Administration, said on Monday that consumers should be as mindful of deductibles and the hospitals and doctors in network as the monthly premium costs in shopping around.
“What you’re buying is not just the benefits specified in the law but whom you will have access to in getting the service delivered,” she said in an interview. Many of the policies being offered on the federal and state exchanges carry annual deductibles that often top $5,000 for an individual and $10,000 for a couple, according to The New York Times.
“Right now, most of the focus has been on the cost of the monthly premium and occasionally people have remembered to . . .look at what the deductible and the co-insurance is, because that is as important as the premium,” she added. “Whether a hospital is in or out of network is really the third piece: don’t forget to look at what you’re buying.”
Related: Millennials Jump Ship Over Obamacare Bait and Switch
Like most insurance policies, the lower the premium the higher the deductible. For example, in El Paso, Tex., for a couple both age 35, one of the cheapest plans on the federal exchange, offered by Blue Cross and Blue Shield, has a premium of less than $300 a month but an annual deductible of more than $12,000, according to the Times. In the case of a 45-year-old couple purchasing insurance on the federal exchange in Saginaw, Mich., a policy with a premium of $515 a month carries a deductible of $10,000 a year.
Some of the Best Hospitals Are Off Limits
Americans purchasing health insurance on the federal and state exchanges may be in for an even bigger shock when they discover some of the best hospitals in the country out of reach, even when those hospitals were previously available to them under their personal policies. That’s because most of the top hospitals in the country will accept insurance from only one or two companies operating under Obamacare.
Obamacare regulations and government subsidies are likely to make insurance more affordable for millions of Americans, as President Obama and senior aides have repeatedly boasted. But many insurers have responded to Obamacare caps on premiums by offering top-tier hospitals and physicians far less money for services rendered. And they’re responding by strictly limiting the number of policies they will accept.
Related: Will Obamacare Tech Fixes Plug Political Fallout?
Watchdog.org recently looked at the top 18 hospitals nationwide as ranked by U.S. News and World Report for 2013-2014 – contacting each hospital to determine their contracts and policies. The government watchdog group found that many of the best hospitals in the country were simply opting out of Obamacare – much to the detriment of people in search of the best or most specialized health care.
Both Ohio and California have a dozen insurance companies on their exchanges, yet two of the states’ premier hospitals — Cleveland Clinic and Cedars-Sinai Medical Center — have only one company in their respective networks.
A few, such as top rated Johns Hopkins in Baltimore, are mandated under state law to accept all insurance companies. Other than that, the hospital with the largest number of insurance companies is University Hospitals Case Medical Center in Cleveland with just four. Fully 11 of the 18 hospitals had just one or two carriers, according to Watchdog.org.
Amid a drive by insurers to limit costs, the majority of insurance plans being sold on the new health care exchanges in New York, Texas and California will not offer patients access to Memorial Sloan Kettering in New York City or MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, two top cancer centers, according to the Financial Times.
“We shouldn’t be surprised by this,” Wilensky said. “There was a lot of pressure that exchanges placed on insurance plans to keep premiums low, and the benefits are specified in law for each of the four levels of health care plans. If the benefits are specified and the premiums are pressed low – sometimes lower than the insurance companies thought was appropriate, a major way to try to accommodate that financial pressure is to limit the number of physicians and hospitals.”
“And by limiting the number of physicians and hospitals, you may get those that you include to accept a lower reimbursement,” she added.
Consumers have until Dec. 23 to enroll in new health insurance under Obamacare to qualify for coverage beginning Jan. 1. However, open enrollment will continue through the end of March.
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Yeah its alarming isn't it?
Its possible to hear people who haven't yet tuned into the conspiracy complain about whats going on as if all these things are isolated incidents when in fact they are part of a coherent and protracted conflict being waged against the mass of humanity
Another area is in prisons. These have been privatised and turned into businesses where prisoners are used as labour to produce things
This is much like the situation in the south after the civil war. Once black people were given legal freedom from slavery the southern authorities got round this by simply arresting lots of black men on false or petty charges and then putting them to work for free in 'chain gangs'
Corporations are profiting from the incarceration of people. The legal system recieves kick backs so both they and the prisons are incentivised to lock people up even when its not necessary leading to misscarriages of justice
Its a parasitical system
This 'force' (for want of a better word) is a parasitical force. The banking system is an embodiment of this. Banking is supposed to take available funds and help allocate them to places where they can be useful, but modern banking does not do that. modern banking plays casino games and smoke and mirror games with derivatives; the central banks create money from thin air and then charge our government interest on it! These are all confidence tricks! The banks do not create anything useful in our society they just suck interest/money out of the real economy causing it to shrink
The politicians accept bribes form the corporations and thereby parasite off the people who suffer as a result of their laws.
The entire system is a system whereby people are feeding off each other
[video=youtube;nmktbVlZlGg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmktbVlZlGg[/video]
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If they are printing the money and then taxing the money to get it back and then printing more money than the economy can produce. Then why does it matter if we are paying our fair share or not. It would be impossible to pay it off. So my question is why would a government be so focused on making everyone pay their fair share when that share will never be enough to pay back what they have borrowed against the country? Why do that?