My perspective here is that your drive to get your message across and "wake up the masses" trumps social etiquette, and often overrules any respect you may have for the fact that a fair amount of folks here, regardless of whether or not they agree with you, simply don't care to hear your message.
There are many messages on this forum. Some we as individuals are interested in and some we are not. There are all sorts of things being discussed here
I don't post on most parts of the forum because i have no interest in them. I post pretty narrowly really.
But if there is a discussion going on on the political, religious, financial etc side of things then i like to contribute
If they don't care to hear what i'm saying, why do they keep reading it? And that goes for you as well. if you aren't interested in anything i have to say then don't read my posts
People come here for more reasons than to be educated and informed about global oppression. A lot of them like to joke around, share parts of their lives with each other, and feel free to talk about a broad range of topics at whatever level of detail that they wish.
Yeah perhaps a thread discussing whether or not to go to war in syria which might spark off a far larger war might be one of the places where people can be a little more serious?
You, however, tend to interact almost exclusively in a lecturing format. You are perfectly free to do that, but as you can see, it wears on some folks, especially when you drag the majority of news/politics threads inevitably into your key theme of:
1)zionists
2)elite
3)central banks
4)secret societies
I've looked at the news and politics forum, and in about 80% of threads, you are always drawing the discussion towards this theme.
That is because those factors are at the centre of those issues
You say its wearing on some folks but what you are not taking into account is that there are also many folks who are interested. Thats right they rep me, give me thumbs up and discuss matters by PM. If you guys hadn't zapped the lightsabers my rep bar would be full
I'm guessing that what is wearing on people is that for all of the supposed proof that you're providing, the large volume of your posts and the content of the videos boils down to this simple statement:
"It's all because of the zionist elites and secret societies that are seeking to oppress the masses via central banks and government."
The thing is, the mountains of material that you post in order to prove it is irrelevant to most folks, because they already know that this is the message that you want to get across. They have known it, because that's all that you ever tend to say, and it's been that way for quite some time. I think that a big part of the problem comes from the fact that you seem to think that if people are irritated with, or dismissive of your message, that dumping more mountains of info on them will change their minds and make them receptive. This is where your approach seems to run into a wall in that there's a lack of creativity. In some ways, you've been your own worst enemy in desensitizing people to what you have to say by providing too much of the same information in a format that is becoming boring and/or irritating: text walls and videos. Re-sensitizing people to that cannot be done by maintaining or increasing the volume of material that you're posting. You've burned a lot of people out on that approach, and unless you start thinking outside the box with regard to your own modus operandi, which you are often wont to tell other forumites, things aren't going to improve.
There is a reason for that though....when you talk to someone about these issues you can see pretty quickly where they are in their perceptions.
They will say something either before i post or in response to a post of mine and i will think ''ok they need to see this bit of info to fill i that part of the puzzle''
Sure that might be boring for those that already have that piece of the puzzle but they don;t need to read it.
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO WRITE A POST THAT IS GOING TO BE EVERYTHING TO EVERYONE. A lot of the time my posts are directed at one or two people NOT everyone
There are also new members who have not read some of the stuff
You likened your peers in the news threads to people staring closely at the bricks of a wall and wondering what they are looking at, not realizing that they are looking at a wall. You went on to liken yourself to the one trying to tell them "Dude, it's a wall". That's noble, but also a bit arrogant tbh.
I think to call someone stupid would be arrogance because that implies that someone is smarter than someone else. but to say someone is ignorant is not arrogance because ignorance is a temporary condition...it is not fixed
If someone can't see a picture because their face is up against it then all they need to do is pull back from it.
I said that about the wall to defend why i was taking a broader view at an issue. i was getting hassled around that time that i was being ''off topic'' and i was trying to say that the issue couldn't be understood if looked at too narrowly
I'd submit alternatively that perhaps a lot of us are more like microbiologists looking at things under a microscope, while perhaps your specialty is in biome research, or "the big picture" as you'd put it. They're trying to research something specific, and you're constantly shouting at them that "HEY, THIS IS HOW THE WHOLE ECOSYSTEM RUNS!!! WHY AREN'T YOU GUYS LISTENING??? WAKE UP!!!! I'LL PROVE IT! LOOK AT THIS, LISTEN TO THIS!!!" So, if you were a microbiologist and you were trying, well within your rights, to do some field research on the behavior of a specific organism while Mr. Biome is shouting at you, how fucking annoying would that be? And if you told Mr. Biome "Dude, could you please keep it down, we're trying to work on something here" and Mr. Biome replied "YOU'RE TRYING TO SILENCE ME!!!!!! WAKE UP!!! LOOK AT THIS VIDEO! READ THIS, YOU'LL SEE I'M RIGHT!!!" then you might start to understand their resentment.
If you are trying to understand what is happening in the middle east without looking into things like: oil, or currencies (and banking in general) or the relationship between the US and israel then frankly you need a wake up call
From my perspective i see people going around and around in cricles and never discussing the elephant in the room and that is what this thread is abiut. its about saying ''look guys there are endless discussions in all these threads but is anyone really touching on what is behind all this stuff? And maybe if we do really want to understand what is going on, maybe we could be looking into that? You now rather than just repeating what the corporate media is telling us is happening''
However, you will not understand that resentment, and I think that this is the case, if it is your ardent belief that the delivery and acceptance of your viewpoint must be realized here, at infjsf of all places, a forum for typology and general social interaction.
I would think that a gathering place for INFJ's would be a pretty reasonable place to discuss the big issues of the day.
If you really want to get down to it perhaps you should look into where the opposition to what i'm saying is coming from and see if there is a typological aspect to that...now that would be interesting....because i have noticed a pattern but i can't discuss it because it is one of those taboo subjects
Moreso if you believe that you have little or nothing to learn from your peers.
Not true....look at how few posts i've made in the time ive been here. that is because i spend most of my time listening. I also ask people about stuff i don't know. I have said my perceptions are constantly evolving and have evolved in the time i've been here
Though you claim to be quite receptive to anyone who has alternate perspectives to what you say, you don't really exhibit much evidence that you're actually thinking about it or questioning your own beliefs. I trust you've heard of the feeling of interacting with someone who is not really listening, but just waiting for their turn to speak.
if you look at the exchanges i have you will notice that the evidence i provide (if you actually look at it) is targeted to EXACTLY the points they have raised. This is because i have LISTENED to each of their points and then dealt with each of them
Usually i am on ground i am sure of...when i'm not on ground i'm sure of i tend to stay quiet, listen and learn
Geez, as an INFJ I would think that along with the "big picture" mentality, you would also be able to empathize with those who come here to chit-chat or engage in some light or focused discussion about current events.
There's nothing light about genocide or potential nuclear war. i'd also say my contributions are pretty focussed
You're always lecturing. You don't really seem to take much interest in how that many individual people are doing, or what they're up to.
I have learnt a lot from the forum
I have kept a distance though thats true. i think it enables a bit more freedom to discuss the weightier topics. If a person starts representing themself here rather than say a persona such as 'muir' then immediately they have to start tailoring their behaviour to fit what you called above the 'social etiquette' and imediately the conversation becomes stilted. When it becomes more personal then people become more self conscious and they start policing themselves more; not much use if you want to discuss the more controversial issues
If you want to be talking abot some far out there or controversial stuff you can't be worrying about will such and such think youre a dick or a weirdo....it starts to stifle intellectual freedom, but at the same time i appreciate tht it can cause issues in a community
But at the same time there are a lot of great people here who i respect a lot
If so, it's primarily superficial, and leading right back into the message that you want to send. You're so wrapped up in your own mission and viewpoint that you don't really seem to be aware, or to understand, how a room (thread) can clear out due to lack of interest, and you follow people into the next room and do the same thing again. And, if someone starts to express irritation, you interpret that as people trying to silence you (oppression) without realizing how you might be contributing to those reactions in some of our most quiet and (also) well-mannered members because you're not aware that not everyone can take your personality or approach in the doses that you're accustomed to providing. You're convinced that it's the other way around, and that it's everyone else who is too wrapped up in their own lives and worlds.
No actually i think its because they don't want to get down to the core of things.
So many of the posts here are people talking about symptomatic problems but very few people are talking about the core problems that would then lead to a solution
I see so much of what people are talking about here relating back to this core thing i am trying to get across. i think once it is understood it then makes sense of everything else. I also think once a peron can consciously understand that then they are able to then navigate their way through the world
Respect is really at the crux of this. Whether or not your view of "the big picture" is actually more important is not the problem. It's that you have decided that it is, and that you know all that people really need to do, who to listen to, etc. As a consequence of this, their concerns and way of looking at the world become less-important, and that shows in your posts, even if you don't say it outright, but you have expressed it in ways such as the brick wall analogy. Your interests are more important than theirs. You know what's good for them. They just don't listen or they want to silence you because you're speaking the truth. Regardless of your intentions, noble as they may be, there is an inherent lack of respect in such an attitude that will ultimately place you on equal footing with those you're speaking out against.
I disagree
I have had at various times people take a sledgehammer to my perceptions. Sure it might have stung my pride a little at the time but afterwards i was always grateful because i realised that not only did it broaden my horizons but it also made more sense of the world which in turn helped me figure out my place in it and a way through it
Is it really disrespectful to take the time to write out a well thought out post dealing with all the points a person has raised?
Is this really a respect issue or is it an issue of bruised pride?
As an introvert, you ought to know how draining it can be when someone who is a hardcore enthusiast in a given subject catches you, or the group of friends that you're with, and proceeds to talk your ear off. That's pretty much what's happening as I see it. I can also hear your frustration in that you are trying to get people to see the bigger picture, but first and foremost, realize that the frustration of not being listened-to goes both ways.
Yeah but i DO LISTEN. Look if you are going to accuse me of stuff at least accuse me of the right stuff
If nothing else, consider this:
1) In your urgency and conviction, you occasionally treat people as much like intellectual sheep as the powers that you're seeking to awaken them to.
What often happens is they say something in response to my post...sometimes this is provocative and sometimes it isn't...sometimes it is just them expressing their view and i will then provdie them with some info showing why i hold the view i have just expressed. What becomes frustrating is that some people, despite starting a dialogue with me, don't then look at that...they often just become dismissive
So this thread is largely about looking at why people are not dealing with the issues
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the is saying some interestig stuff in this thread to answer that (which i have thumbed up...because i have been LISTENING)
2) Retaining your composure in posts does not equate to being respectful of your peers
I think it is a damn sight more respectful than telling someone they should be gassed, bombed or bum raped which is what was said in the last thread by a self declared member of the israeli military
3) Up your creativity in how you bring your message across, because right now you're a broken record which is starting to irritate your peers and place you needlessly at odds with forum rules.
That's what this thread is...its trying to move the conversation closer to the core in a thread that will allow people more freedom of discussion because it allows for the bigger picture
Rules are usually such that their application is entriely upto the people who hold the authority. In the UK the police can arrest someone under 'breach of the peace'. this could involve someone joyriding or it could be something as small as someone shouting in the street....it really comes down to how draconian the imposer of the law want to be
I do think the staff have been pretty reasonable although you have said to me before when i answered a post of yours that was telling me off that you were not willing to discuss the matter publically and yet you have made this very public statement here...just something to think about while we're talking about respect
4) Give respect to the human element, and take more than a cursory interest in your peers, who they are, and what matters to them, if you want respect in turn.
i don't think respect should need to operate on a personal level....i have said this elsewhere recently
I think a person should pay attention to what is being said NOT how a person is presenting
This has always been one of the concerns about politics hasn't it that the public will just vote for the most handsome candidate. That would be going for style over substance. The problem is the handsome candidate might be a total psychopath whilst a less attractive candidate might be the most compassionate person in the room
if you start attaching personal feelings to the people in a debate then you will start thinking in ways such as ''i will agree with that person because they are my friend not because i actually agree with what they are saying'' or ''i will disagree with that person because i don't like them'' and so on
I on the other hand rep people for posts i agree with whether or not they like me or i like them. That is a far more objective approach.
I would say people on the whole not just in this forum but irl need to start looking at what really matters and not be razzle dazzled by the other stuff
5) Accept the fact that the process of cultivating reciprocal relationships in which peers are receptive to your message will be hindered by your reluctance to reveal anything substantial about your own life.
lol come on man....you know my deepest hopes and fears....you know me pretty damn well
6) Some folks will disagree, some folks will agree wholeheartedly, and some folks agree but they just don't care as much as you. Pounding them over the head with the same message will not better your case.
Fwiw....
I think we all need to decide what sort of threads we are interested in reading and within those threads which posts we want to pay attention to
That said the recent syria thread has lead me to change my approach. I have since only posted in my blog or in a thread that i have created
If we go on your theory that people aren't interested in what i'm saying then we can be sure that none of those people have come into this thread....right?
So i have already without you prompting changed my behaviour
