Bullying Epidemic

I finished watching a programme i started yesterday that was exploring the difference between how things are done in britain and how they are done in germany because britains economy is struggling whilst germanys economy is strong

One thing that was mentioned was how the british work more hours than the germans but the germans are more productive. The british spend a lot of time on social media texting, tweeting, emailing, facebooking and generally chatting to each other. They also gosip a lot and use work phones to make private calls.

The germans on the other hand are not allowed to text at work or use social media. They are more focussed and they keep their private lives out of work. If they discuss anything at work it is work related NOT gossip

This all made me think how the british work place full as it is with gossiping and bitching and idle talk is a hotbed for bullying. British people are spending more time at work but doing less. This leads to boredom and gossiping

We need to work less, but work well and gossip should be a strict no no...its really no wonder that there is so much bullying in the britsh work place
 
Do you need to know what to report to your superiors? You have left the Israeli military right? :p

The workers could strike....you know....all those that work for a living including you

When everyone gets sick of being a 9-5 worker drone and of seeing their taxpayer money being given to the bankers or used to fight illegal wars that profit the corporations.

Of course some people are still immersed in the consumer dream....they're clinging to it and won't let go for a while, but for many it is proving a nightmare so more and more people are feeling like they have less and les to lose

Revolution is in the air....people are protesting all around the world

All it needs is a level of coordination....a coordinated effort because the el-ite need us to run their economy. So if we all agree to stop playing their game the game stops and then we can change the game to a more inclusive game where everyone is taken care of.....and that means the palestineans as well

That sounds all warm and fuzzy, but if everyone strikes, where to you get food from? electricity? water? gas?
 
Where do you draw the line between bullying and disciplining, or maintaining order?
 
That sounds all warm and fuzzy, but if everyone strikes, where to you get food from? electricity? water? gas?

The peoples revolution would take hold of all the utilities and control them to ensure the workers continued receiveing the necessary supplies. They used to be nationalised so lets take control of them again

Remember it is not the investment class that run the machines it is the working class. It is the working class that have the technical knowledge. The working class also administer and organise all these things.

The reality is the investment class are not needed....they are parasites
 
Where do you draw the line between bullying and disciplining, or maintaining order?

That is a really, really good question. I've been reading up on The Healthy Workplace Bill and the below info is some of what I've found.

Firstly, I initially misread the Healthy Workplace Bill website. I thought it said 11 states had passed the Healthy Workplace Bill, but 25 states have introduced it and 11 of those states currently have it on the table (pardon me). What is happening in each state is different, for example, New York's Senate labor committee passed their Healthy Workplace Bill, but before the entire Senate can vote on the Bill it has to be passed by the Senate Finance Committee. You can find out what is happening in each of the US states by going here http://www.healthyworkplacebill.org/index.php and clicking on a state in the interactive map.

This is a small section of Pennsylvania's Healthy Workplace Bill which includes a definition of "bullying". I'm not sure if each state is defining it differently or if they are all the same. The full bill is available here: http://www.healthyworkplacebill.org/states/pa/HB1179.pdf

"Abusive conduct."

Acts or omissions that a reasonable individual would find abusive, based on the severity, nature and frequency of the conduct, including, but not limited to:

(1) repeated verbal abuse by the use of derogatory remarks, insults and epithets;
(2) verbal, nonverbal or physical conduct of a threatening, intimidating or humiliating nature; or
(3) the sabotage or undermining of an employee's work performance.

It shall be considered an aggravating factor if the conduct exploited an employee's known psychological or physical illness or disability.

A single act normally shall not constitute abusive conduct, but an especially severe and egregious act may meet this standard
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"Abusive work environment."

An employment condition when an employer or one or more of its employees, acting with intent to cause pain or distress to an employee, subjects an employee to abusive conduct that causes physical or psychological harm.

"Adverse employment action."

An outcome that negatively impacts an employee, including, but not limited to:

(1) a termination, demotion, unfavorable reassignment or failure to promote;
(2) disciplinary action; or
(3) reduction in compensation.

"Constructive discharge."

An adverse employment action by which:

(1) the employee reasonably believed he or she was subjected to an abusive work environment;
(2) the employee resigned because of the conduct; and
(3)the employer was aware of the abusive conduct before the resignation and failed to stop it.

"Physical harm."

The impairment of an individual's physical health or bodily integrity, as established by competent evidence to the satisfaction of the court.

"Psychological harm."

The impairment of an individual's mental health, as established by competent evidence to the satisfaction of the court.

"Abusive work environment"

An employee may not be subjected to an abusive work environment.

An employer or employee may not retaliate in any manner against an employee who has opposed an unlawful employment practice under this act or who has made a charge,testified, assisted or participated in any manner in an
investigation or proceeding under this act, including, but not limited to, by:

(1) internal complaints and proceedings;
(2) arbitration and mediation proceedings; or
(3) legal actions
 
I finished watching a programme i started yesterday that was exploring the difference between how things are done in britain and how they are done in germany because britains economy is struggling whilst germanys economy is strong

One thing that was mentioned was how the british work more hours than the germans but the germans are more productive. The british spend a lot of time on social media texting, tweeting, emailing, facebooking and generally chatting to each other. They also gosip a lot and use work phones to make private calls.

The germans on the other hand are not allowed to text at work or use social media. They are more focussed and they keep their private lives out of work. If they discuss anything at work it is work related NOT gossip

This all made me think how the british work place full as it is with gossiping and bitching and idle talk is a hotbed for bullying. British people are spending more time at work but doing less. This leads to boredom and gossiping

We need to work less, but work well and gossip should be a strict no no...its really no wonder that there is so much bullying in the britsh work place
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Britain sounds a lot like the U.S. in this case, at least at where I am working now. People are always wasting so much time chatting. I'm told that I am too quiet. I guess, but I'm still not going to go the route of checking my facebook at work.
 
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Britain sounds a lot like the U.S. in this case, at least at where I am working now. People are always wasting so much time chatting. I'm told that I am too quiet. I guess, but I'm still not going to go the route of checking my facebook at work.

The tabloid press in the UK likes to do a lot of nationalitic flag waving. it likes to tell us that we have a great work ethic whislt the french are lazy and the germans have no sense of humour

But whilst we are wise cracking around the water cooler, still stuck at work as the evening begins the germans are already back at home enjoying some chill time with the family....i know which of those i'd go for

The french meanwhile work much shorter weeks than us, have more holidays, have longer lunches, eat nicer food, drink nicer wine and if the government try to mess with that they kick up a big stink to stop it

The british seem to have no limit to how far they will let themselves be exploited. They did riot over the poll tax but things have been pretty pathetic since

Meanwhile the politicians and their banker buddies are making off like bandits

The brits let off steam by getting drunk...a lot!

They bitch and moan at work but do NOTHING

The work place bullying situation is intimately linked to how our society is run and structured
 
In terms of bullying, getting people to band together is a very difficult thing to do. I've worked in a couple of places where the management, owners, and/or a small group of employees were absolute tyrants. Some of these poeple practiced almost every form of bullying listed. It was surprising to see that not one person was willing to stand up and do something about it. A lot of employees would complain about the environment, and rightly so, but no one was willing to take action. This is in spite of the fact that most of the time reasonable employees outnumbered bullies by a large margin, and if they banded together the needed changes would most likely follow. I don't know if this is some form of social conditioning or victim mentality, or what. It would be interesting to find out if any behavioral studies have been done on that phenomenon. This is another reason I like The Healthy Workplace Bill, it's a way for people to take passive action.
 
In terms of bullying, getting people to band together is a very difficult thing to do. I've worked in a couple of places where the management, owners, and/or a small group of employees were absolute tyrants. Some of these poeple practiced almost every form of bullying listed. It was surprising to see that not one person was willing to stand up and do something about it. A lot of employees would complain about the environment, and rightly so, but no one was willing to take action. This is in spite of the fact that most of the time reasonable employees outnumbered bullies by a large margin, and if they banded together the needed changes would most likely follow. I don't know if this is some form of social conditioning or victim mentality, or what. It would be interesting to find out if any behavioral studies have been done on that phenomenon. This is another reason I like The Healthy Workplace Bill, it's a way for people to take passive action.

If you can solve that one then you can solve every problem in society!

Radicals are always trying to think how to create the necesary revolutionary consciousness in the masses to get them to actually stand up for themselves

Sometimes people just need to be angry or desperate enough. its amazing the levels of discomfort people will continue to operate in to avoid a confrontation with a bully.

Personally i will go for the bullies throat even if they are bigger than me
 
On a similar but different note, in 2010 the state of Massachusetts passed one of the strictest public school anti-bullying laws in the US. While this law has invited some frivolous lawsuits and is dealing with some criticism, it has also created model public school anti-bullying programs that are being used in many other states. You can find out more about the Massachusetts anti-bullying law from the US governments stopbullying website http://www.stopbullying.gov/laws/massachusetts.html. You can also take a look at the Boston Public Schools anti-bullying programs, which are some of the best I've seen. They have put together a wealth of information packets, toolkits, seminars, etc., etc., etc., on addressing bullying at the public school level http://www.bostonpublicschools.org/antibullying

While the Massachusetts anti-bullying law specifically targets children and public schools, it does have some affect on the status of adult anti-bullying laws. I believe anti-bullying laws for adults will eventually be passed, the same way sexual harassment and discrimination laws were passed. The path is already being paved, it's only a matter of time. We will evolve no matter how much kicking and screaming people do about it.
 
Unfortunately kicking and screaming is often the way things get done in this system

Corporations will often not mess with you once you have demonstrated that you are not a soft target....they will move onto easier targets

I think that a persons emotional wellbeing determines how they behave towards others. It makes sense therefore that if we want to live in a gentler society we need people to feel happier and healthier

The question socialists reasonably ask is why stick with capitalism when capitalism is a brutal, dog eat dog system red in tooth and claw?
 
If you can solve that one then you can solve every problem in society!

Radicals are always trying to think how to create the necesary revolutionary consciousness in the masses to get them to actually stand up for themselves

Sometimes people just need to be angry or desperate enough. its amazing the levels of discomfort people will continue to operate in to avoid a confrontation with a bully.

Personally i will go for the bullies throat even if they are bigger than me

When you think about it, everyone plays a part in "bullying" but not everyone is conscious of what their part is. A lot of people aren't aware of the fact that there are different roles to play and you can choose which suits you best. It doesn't have to be an either or situation. Not everyone is cut out for the direct fight. There are passive ways to address bullying, for example, supporters, campaigners, etc. If you look at how politicians are elected, there are hundreds and/or thousands of people working to make that happen, many of them you never see because they are working behind the scenes in more passive positions. Everyone plays a part.
 
Unfortunately kicking and screaming is often the way things get done in this system

Corporations will often not mess with you once you have demonstrated that you are not a soft target....they will move onto easier targets

I think that a persons emotional wellbeing determines how they behave towards others. It makes sense therefore that if we want to live in a gentler society we need people to feel happier and healthier

The question socialists reasonably ask is why stick with capitalism when capitalism is a brutal, dog eat dog system red in tooth and claw?

Reform, in whatever context, freaks a lot of people out. We live in a top down society and when you advocate for people to act in a bottom up way, this threatens their security. I think a lot of people would rather be uncomfortably secure then face uncertainty, even though that uncertainty will most likely lead to a better way of life. This seems to be an aspect of the human condition. I mean, you can see this in every aspect of humanity, not just the workplace, but peoples personal lives as well (my own included). If we look back in history reform has mainly come from the bottom, in other words, people revolting. You make a lot of really good points. It's definitely causing me to look at this from a broader perspective.
 
Taking out the trash comes to mind. Problem is deciding what to throw away and what to keep, and everyone seems to have differences of opinions. Bullying can take on a whole new meaning in an insecure environment.
 
When you think about it, everyone plays a part in "bullying" but not everyone is conscious of what their part is. A lot of people aren't aware of the fact that there are different roles to play and you can choose which suits you best. It doesn't have to be an either or situation. Not everyone is cut out for the direct fight. There are passive ways to address bullying, for example, supporters, campaigners, etc. If you look at how politicians are elected, there are hundreds and/or thousands of people working to make that happen, many of them you never see because they are working behind the scenes in more passive positions. Everyone plays a part.

You're absolutely right

Also sometimes with some reflection it is also possible to see how the bully is themselves a victim and sometimes it is clear from their circumstances why they have gone in the direction they have

I think people who are brutalised themselves are more likely to then go on and brutalise others....yet another good reason for creating a gentler environment

So perhaps another dimension to consider is the workplace culture. I think an aggressive competitive environment where people are more likely to be combative and indulge in more brutal behaviour is more likely to breed bullies than a more codependent cooperative environment
 
Reform, in whatever context, freaks a lot of people out. We live in a top down society and when you advocate for people to act in a bottom up way, this threatens their security. I think a lot of people would rather be uncomfortably secure then face uncertainty, even though that uncertainty will most likely lead to a better way of life. This seems to be an aspect of the human condition. I mean, you can see this in every aspect of humanity, not just the workplace, but peoples personal lives as well (my own included). If we look back in history reform has mainly come from the bottom, in other words, people revolting. You make a lot of really good points. It's definitely causing me to look at this from a broader perspective.

Yeah there is that danger of appeasing though.....appeasing a bully because we fear for our security but in the long run this just enables the bully to get stronger

I think the way our society is structured....and i'll go back to the britain v's germany programme again here....in germany most people do not buy their own home they rent. In britain it is almost expected that people buy their own home.

The problem with this is that then people are under a lot of pressure to pay their monthly mortgage payments. Most people cannot afford to not be earning for very long before they would be defaulting. So if they are getting bullied by management they are less likely to make a stand because they are worried about their mortgage payments

I saw this in a union despute i was involved in. We had enough people to get legal 'recognition' so that we could block managements oppressive move but management were very sneaky. of course they are sneaky, they have little to do but sit around the office thinking of ways to control the workers...we meanwhile had to not only manage our resistance but work at the same time!

So anyway management started meeting with individuals amongst the workers that they thought they could manipulate and with a mixture of threats followed by incentives ie payrises and other offerings that were later deceitfully reneged on they managed to win back some of the workers and they broke the unity of the workers

It was an interesting experience to see how different people react. I didn't have a mortgage and in that sense had less to lose than some. Others had mortgages, car payments, and other liabilities which made them fearful

The more self sufficient a person is the less crap they have to take is the bottom line

The corrupted workers referred to as 'crawlers' by the union broke the resistance and it crumbled and with it the team as well. Most the workers left and the workers still there are planning their escape.

Even the corrupted workers ended up feeling betrayed by management and left....much like judas hanging himself despite his silver coin

The corrupted workers had reasoned that they were getting a pay rise so it was better to sidle up to management but due to rising inflation the extra thy got paid was eaten up with that and in return they had to then accept shittier work conditions.

The workers have all gone on to do their own things successfully but obviously having to undergo the stress/excitement of forging out on their own. Management on the other hand seems unfazed....they don't care if people leave because they just replace them and they know they can pay new people less. Also because of the high unemployment in europe at the moment there are a lot of migratory workers who are just desperate for the work and will put up with the shitty conditions and pay

Things worked out well in the end but i was dissapointed in some that they couldn't see the big picture.....all it needed was for the workers to stick together and we would have been invincible (many however pulled together and showed a lot of courage)

That's the difficult part....getting people to see the bigger picture and how if they stick together great things really can be achieved after a little struggle. in our capitalist dog eat dog society however people have been conditioned by the mainstream media to have a 'me, me, me' individualist mindset see for example the TV programme 'the apprentice' where workers are all turned on each other in a horrible display of selfish egotism

That was also mentioned in the german/british comparison programme....the germans are big joiners of clubs which promote a sense of community whislt in britain people have become atomised and out for themselves

The 'conservative' party sold off a large part of our social housing stock by making a 'right to buy law' enabling people to buy their own council house. Many people thought it was great to be able to own their own homes (albeit through a mortgage) but it has far reaching consequences because it pulls even more of the population into that frightened mindset where they are more afraid of losing what they have and as a result become more conservative and less likely to stand upto the government or oppressive employers

The current economic climate is great for business fat cats as there are tons of workers to choose from which means they can treat workers like shit and drive down wages. the 'conservative' party are passing new laws to make it easier for employers to sack people as well. This would mean that a boss could come on sexually to a worker and if the worker didn't reciprocate they could just be fired. The conservatives are also making the cost of legally representing yourself against an employer prohibitively expensive making it far less likely that a worker will stand up for themselves

Its funny we are often tied into a small number of corporations for products cutting down competition (eg people tied into longer and longer contracts for their phones) yet the investment class are allowed to make workers compete. Its one rule for them and another rule for us! A news story at the moment is that a conswervative politician who was jailed for perjury has now been given a high ranking job wih an energy company! The guys a criminal and yet he waltzes into a high paid corporate job as soon as he leaves prison when most regular criminals can't get jobs!

The conservatives are cutting welfare payments and yet they support the bailing out of the banks....they capitalise their gains and socialise their losses....total hippocrits!

Basically they are handing all the power to the investment class so that the workers will be nothing more than slaves that have no cards to play in their own defence

On a more positive note there is now grass roots protests all around the world....the workers are stirring!

When the central banks are no longer able to hold back the deflationary forces by manipulating the interest rates it might light a fire under some peoples asses

Have you ever seen those nature programmes where the predatory wolves are creeping up on the bison? Eventually the bison form a defensive ring and for as long as they work together the wolves can't get any of the herd. If the bison lose their nerve and break ranks then they are all at risk.

Its looking like the workers around the world are beginning to turn together to face the wolves eg In greece groups are reconnecting electricity to peoples homes who can no longer afford it despite threats from the police
 
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When you think about it, everyone plays a part in "bullying" but not everyone is conscious of what their part is. A lot of people aren't aware of the fact that there are different roles to play and you can choose which suits you best. It doesn't have to be an either or situation. Not everyone is cut out for the direct fight. There are passive ways to address bullying, for example, supporters, campaigners, etc. If you look at how politicians are elected, there are hundreds and/or thousands of people working to make that happen, many of them you never see because they are working behind the scenes in more passive positions. Everyone plays a part.

Three things come to mind:
1. Policies address symptoms. Perhaps more study needs to be put into the cause and dynamics of problematic behaviour.
2. Can bullying tendencies be directed into productive, helpful behaviour - without interfering with the basic underlying tendency?
3. Is bullying a basic, universal aspect of human society?
 
1. Policies address symptoms. Perhaps more study needs to be put into the cause and dynamics of problematic behaviour.

You're right, policies address symptoms, but what happens when the root of the problem isn't or cannot be addressed (for whatever reason). In many cases people are then forced to make policies and laws. Unfortunately, that's also when the majority of studying dynamics, roots of problems, and potential strategies follow. Have people been able to cure discrimination and sexual harassment, not that I'm aware of, but they were able to initiate laws to help prevent it and then pursue the needed social research to examine the roots of the problems. Do people still break those laws, yes. Do the laws help, I believe they do because I remember segregation and employment conditions before sexual harassment laws were in place.

2. Can bullying tendencies be directed into productive, helpful behaviour - without interfering with the basic underlying tendency?

I'm not sure what you mean by "basic underlying tendency". However, I do believe it is possible to redirect negative bullying behavior into positive channels. I believe this is a skill that can be taught and learned. However, this brings us to the question of whose responsibility is it to teach people this skill. Theoretically, people should possess this skill before they enter the workforce, but considering that we're now faced with initiating laws to enforce peoples rights to a healthy environment, its obvious that a lot of people do not possess the skill to redirect bullying behavior.

3. Is bullying a basic, universal aspect of human society?

This is getting into 'Lord of the Flies' and asking philosophical questions regarding human nature, which is a little beyond the scope of the Healthy Workplace Bill. Personally, I don't think bullying is an "universal aspect of human society". I like to believe we are capable of evolving past survival mode, but that's just my opinion.
 
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