Do you ever feel like the people around you aren't alive?

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latch said:
I had heard that Jesus was a mushroom and the colorful present under the Christmas tree but never looking into it- I think I heard it on Coast to Coast with George Noory.

I've never done out of body and for a brief period, I was interested in remote viewing. Of course, I have cultivated lucid dreams.

The most profound experience I have had was where I saw time loop- the beginning middle and end of my life. It all went so fast and I found myself asking "How long have I been doing this? Forever?" Then I knew everything and my being coalesced to a single point of white light. I knew who and what I was. After, I didn't remember what happened or that it happened. The only reason I remember it now is because recently it began to happen and I stopped it and retained some of the memory of it. I now know, I've done it 5 or 6 times and it seems to be a self-amplifying consciousness feedback loop that ejects me from reality. I'd like to experience it one more time. I concider it as a conciousness orgasm- after that, sex seems trite. (I stole that line from Xfiles)

My son's mother was haunted- got poked all the time and my son seems to have things going on too. Her mother hired a psychic once and we all went down in the basement to do whatever we did. After, the lady told the mother in law "watch out for him. he has powers." I dunno what powers she was talking about- my only superpowers seem to be making connections and storing memory. Basically, intuition. I know a lot about a lot of subjects which results in synergistic amplifiaction of my understanding. I can go into alternate states of consciousness almost at will and do a lot accidentally.
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Hmmm...interesting accounts and experiences.
Kundalini energy is also quite sexual in nature.
Several times while OOB waves of energy seem to emanate from my core outward...it was quite pleasant and similar to your own descriptions.
Yes, I also have glimpsed such a thing right after my father died...it wasn't a lucid dream and I wasn't OOB either I don't think...either way...I was walking through foggy woods barefoot on moss at night...it wasn't scary, but was rather nice actually (always have loved the foggy woods).
I came to a rather nondescript looking house and the lights were on and people were inside.
There was a small dip to jump down...but when I looked in I saw my entire immediate family including my dad, including myself...also a whole other range of people I don't know but at that time I understood I did in fact know them and this was a glimpse into some other time and reality entirely...we were talking and laughing...and everyone was basically the same age-wise physically...then sort of how you described...I saw the whole of my life here in this reality and was able to see how incredibly brief and short this lifetime is...I would describe it the same way I did that morning...the blink of an eye...that is how fast this life actually is.
I had tears streaming down my face, it was amazingly profound to see and realize.
Yeah...I won't get into my paranormal experiences...I've typed them up on the forum too many times...if you want I can link you to the posts?
Lol
If you can lucid dream, quite often one can transfer it to an OOBE with the right direction...let me know and I will pull up that info from my thread also.
Yeah...I've been told I have mediumship abilities by random...usually woman....on more than one occasion.
I have had shit fly at me in the dark...things have been violently hit (all with witnesses too)...toys used to move by themselves when I was a child...that was witnessed twice by both my parents and brother.
I would spontaneously go OOB as a child, and I attracted the attention of a negative entity whom I had to contend with.
It was pretty bad...I ended up with wires attached to my head at UCLA after the school Psychologist took my IQ test in the fourth grade, but also ran through the ESP Zenner cards twice and I got 80%.
I don't get as great of results now, lol...anyhow, my IQ showed I was frankly just bored AF in school...I hated the repetitive nature of it, lol.
With my stories of night terrors and other strange things he sent me to colleagues at UCLA where I spent the night...but still have no clue what they were looking for...mom says she never got a report or can't remember if she did...which is frustrating as hell to me.
I'm starting to understand you a bit better, thanks.
I feel we have a fair amount of strangeness in common, lol.
Take care, ttys.
 
I actually feel the opposite; I think most people are more alive than I am (being an introvert, enneagram 5), but they are less conscious. Being more conscious of the outcome will make someone be more fearful of living or just go out and "do" things. But in the sense that other people may be living in an autopilot reality, I'd say there's still more for me to wake up to as well. The more you know, the more you don't know. So I can't really say that others are asleep and I'm awake. I think almost all of us are in a different state of slumber, and the most we can do is to awake ourselves first.
 
bonfire said:
I actually feel the opposite; I think most people are more alive than I am (being an introvert, enneagram 5), but they are less conscious. Being more conscious of the outcome will make someone be more fearful of living or just go out and "do" things. But in the sense that other people may be living in an autopilot reality, I'd say there's still more for me to wake up to as well. The more you know, the more you don't know. So I can't really say that others are asleep and I'm awake. I think almost all of us are in a different state of slumber, and the most we can do is to awake ourselves first.
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Nicely said!
 
Asa said:
The FPS I play doesn't have a peaceful surrender option.
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I wish more had that option. It bugs me when they have no sense of self preservation. Especially when they have me cornered and just file in one at a time to be mowed down. I'm like "I just killed 20 of your guys. Might be a good idea to stop attacking one at a time."
 
Skarekrow said:
Yeah...I won't get into my paranormal experiences...I've typed them up on the forum too many times...if you want I can link you to the posts?
Lol
If you can lucid dream, quite often one can transfer it to an OOBE with the right direction...let me know and I will pull up that info from my thread also.
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Aye, do.

Skarekrow said:
I'm starting to understand you a bit better, thanks.
I feel we have a fair amount of strangeness in common, lol.
Take care, ttys.
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likewise
 
latch said:
Aye, do.


likewise
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Here are a few of the experiences I dug up recently and reposted here - https://www.infjs.com/threads/paranormal-activity.35513/#post-1096043
(and the subsequent posts to follow if you look through that thread...there are older threads in the depths of the forum with other times I have typed it up lol...but this one has most of the ones I have actually recounted I think...maybe I missed one or two somewhere.)
This is probably a tiny section of the total experiences I have had...I chose these as they had witnesses most of the time or violent unexplained physical phenomena occurred.
I have other experiences but those are more subjective and less provable that it wasn’t something being hallucinated.
I will find the info on lucid ---> astral jumping, give me a day or two...just got home from house sitting.
Take care!
 
latch said:
People seem to be caught in loop or running a program. Are they conscious? Are they NPC's merely running a script? They never change or grow and have no interest in doing so?

Do you walk among the zombies?
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Absolutely. Most people are out and about wrapped up in their little bubbles, miserably wading through life. Some places are worse than others. It's definitely more noticeable in USA and in urban environments. They have no real connections with people, they don't know who their neighbour is. It's even more depressing when they give you a fake dead "hey how are you" in the elevator. I'm not used to that kind of crowd at all and I can't stand the vibe around it.
 
@latch

A bit late but as promised...
I will find some better tactics for you...but I would encourage you to look up the “wake back to bed” method.
Take care!




Turning Lucid Dreams into OBEs



by Bob Peterson​

Many people ask, "I can do lucid dreaming, but I can't do OBE, so how do you convert a lucid dream into an OBE?"

This topic recently came up in an email conversation I had with lucid dreaming expert Robert Waggoner.
My response to his question was the basis of this article.

The difference between Lucid Dreams and OBEs is complex.
So complex that I did a long-winded nearly two-hour presentation last year for INACS (Institute for Neuroscience and Consciousness Studies) in Austin, Texas.

There are many things to consider, but the crux of the matter is this:

We leave our bodies every night during sleep, but we are unaware because we're unconscious.
How do I know this?

I've seen it firsthand.

When we sleep, there are basically four out-of-body states, depending on whether you're
(1) conscious or unconscious and whether you're
(2) hallucinating or not.

The four out-of-body states are:
  1. In a normal "dream" we're both unconscious and hallucinating. We're out-of-body, but we just float there above our body, completely engaged in the dream hallucination.
  2. In a "lucid dream" we're still hallucinating, but now we're completely conscious.
  3. In an "OBE" we're also conscious, but not hallucinating. We're experiencing an objective "non-physical" reality (not to say that has any relation to our physical reality.)
  4. The fourth state is "shared dreaming"; in other words, unconscious experiences that happen in an objective "astral" reality (not a hallucination).
The four states are shown on this diagram:

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So the only difference between a Lucid Dream and an OBE is that in an LD, we're experiencing a self-created "dream" hallucination.
Our perception is completely focused on that hallucination, and our dream senses seem mostly normal / physical.

For example, in a lucid dream, you'll have a normal body image and normal senses of sight, sound, touch, etc.

In an OBE, we're not hallucinating.
Our senses are not focused on the dream, so our perception is often very different: we have trouble seeing, or can see with 360-degree "astral" vision.

Our senses often don't engage unless we focus specifically on them.
In an OBE, your body image will often be distorted or "on demand".

Since dream hallucinations are self-created (by your subconscious) you have the power to stop and disassemble the hallucination, and that's how you get to the OBE state.

Shifting from a lucid dream to an OBE is easy for me, but I can only describe it as an act of will.
I "will" the dream hallucination to disengage, and it feels like I'm waking up, but my body doesn't wake up.

There's just a sudden, complete shift of attention to a different kind of experience, different environment, and different perception.
The dream-hallucination dissolves in front of me, but it's fast, like waking up, or like turning off the television.

My eyesight shifts from normal "dream vision" to a mode of OBE sight, often with 360-degree perception.
This is the "mind sensing" mode of eyesight I wrote about in my first book.

I sometimes find myself hovering about a foot or two above my physical body, almost as if I was floating in a shallow pool of warm liquid, with my body somewhere below the surface.

Often my arms and hands are loose and limp, gently swaying, as if in some kind of astral current.
Sometimes it's still like that, but these days it's more common for me to find myself in some kind of void or gray area, suspended upright in space.

In a lucid dream, I know I'm dreaming, and that what I'm experiencing isn't "real".
I know it's a self-created hallucination.

It's like watching a movie on television.
After I dissolve the dream-hallucination, I know that I'm in an OBE, and the reality of it is qualitatively very different.

I know I'm not dreaming.

Bear in mind that I don't often lucid dream.
It's more common for me to consciously induce OBEs directly.

Here is a journal entry from September 2014, in which I turned a lucid dream into an OBE, just as an example:

10 September 2014 OBE – Deerwood, MN

I was dreaming I was in a large shopping mall-like area.
I had been in this place a long time and something had happened that made me increasingly concerned for my safety.

“Bad guys” were slowly taking over the mall and they were hunting down and killing anyone who wasn't one of them.
I had been avoiding them successfully for probably more than an hour, with some friends.

Eventually we got split up and I was on my own.
My pursuers were becoming increasingly more aggressive and persistent.

I managed to get away from a bad guy by running up a flight of stairs.
As I rounded a corner, I heard singing.

I knew it was a giant.
I stopped to plot my next course of action.

Should I go back down the stairs?
Or face this giant and somehow try to slip by him?

Then it occurred to me: Now, wait a minute; I'm never running away from bad guys except in my dreams.
Come to think of it, I had recently reminded myself that I should periodically do reality checks for lucid dreaming purposes, so I should do one now.

That's it!
I must be dreaming!

And so my dream became a lucid dream and I became conscious.

By this time I saw two of my dream characters, including the giant, who had just discovered me, and an innocent bystander (a young blonde woman) who was in the same situation as me (being hunted).

I smiled, pointed at the two dream characters and, as if firing actors from the set of a play, said, “Sorry, guys, but not this time. This is a lucid dream.”
I turned my attention away from the dream and commanded myself to go up.

I ascended the walls of the shopping mall as the illusion of the dream dissolved.
Now it was like an etheric projection.

I wasn't seeing clearly.
I could perceive my body, which was just below me.

I was struggling to get away from it, making swimming motions upward, clawing at the gray cloudy atmosphere.
It felt like I was caught in my body's gravitational pull.

I said, “I could use a little help, guys!” hoping that an invisible helper would lend a hand.
No reaction.

After a few minutes of struggling, I managed to break free of my body.
Unfortunately, I woke up in my physical body after that.

So the trick is to use an act of will to turn your attention away from the dream hallucination without waking up your physical body.
That's the best I can do to describe it.
 
Just an image but this is a summary of how I've sometimes felt about my immediately surrounds where I live, given the topic.

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jkxx said:
Just an image but this is a summary of how I've sometimes felt about my immediately surrounds where I live, given the topic.

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Here's my self-portrait along those same lines I made a few years ago(tho then it was more about feeling differnent and not really belonging):
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And this one too(only one green cube and it's not moving):
 
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