Do you wish there were more infj's?

in_wonderment said:
instead of people just quoting me and adding different smileys...

how about we try using constructive criticism? please explain what im getting wrong. i mean that sincerely. id really like to know.
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Sorry about that but I used an emoticon rather than wasting my time typing cause I see what you’ve written too often and mostly from people who aren’t interested in understanding what’s wrong with what they’re saying, so I don’t bother, as you are interested in knowing I’ll oblige.

The problem I see is you’re writing off more than half the population because they don't process information the same way as you and you consider that a bad thing.

I'll assume the comment about referring to conversations with sensors as “girly superficial conversations” comes from frustration so I won't dwell on it. I understand the frustration of trying to get someone to look at the big picture and future possibilities when all they are interested in is the facts in the here-and-now but you have to acknowledge that sensors have strengths where we have weaknesses and realise a world without them would be shot to shit. Likewise a world without intuitives.

Sensors kick our asses when it comes to being able to focus on immediate details and take in information through their 5 senses (when we use our sixth sense), when combined they can be at a distinct advantage in some situations.

An example of this would be a job such as civil engineering or piloting a plane, a sensor would take in information as they are being given it and relate it to specific facts, order and systemisation, while an intuitive will need to understand the big picture before they can take in the information and process it. Where they start from the beginning and work their way through we need to understand the end before we can get our head around it.

What you should be saying is that the communication between you and sensors in general does not satisfy you as opposed to saying the world without sensors would be better. No doubt we are capable of frustrating them as much as the other way around and as one cannot avoid bumping into sensors it would be better to try to understand how they operate so you can lessen your feelings of frustration.

There is a strong bias against sensors in MBTI and I think it's unfortunate.
 
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Lurker said:
There is a strong bias against sensors in MBTI and I think it's unfortunate.
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There really is, and I agree it is unfortunate and sad. I would be lying if I said I did not have a bias agients sensors. That is just because I have been around a few bad sensors in my life. And I am very certain I have come across in the past as being harsh agients sensors (sorry Quinlan... >_>). That is because I have such very low Si an Se scores, I simply don't know how to relate or use those functions. After being here for a while, it has really shown me that they arent "bad" at all, if anything they are quite as insightful as us, just in a different way. I have also learned that some of my cloest friends, and my closest friend, are indeed sensors. As I have said before I would not trade them for the world.

I think MBTI just describes their type with a bad choice of words. Pegging them as not having any inner debth, which to many N's is seen as a bad thing. That is far from true. My best friend (who is an ISTP) is actually a very deep person, just in a different way then what I am used to. That likely goes for the rest of the sensors out there.

Over time, I think we come to a mutual understanding of our inverted functions, SvN being the most diffucalt to be done. However, once that understanding is reached, there is so much to be learned and you can grow alot from it :)
 
Spot on Indigo. It's also good to remember that no one is entirely an intuitive or sensor, we've all got both just in different amounts.

And like you say, the idea that a sensor doesn't have depth is simply wrong, the same thing is often said about extraverts, again it's wrong. The correct word is different but many intuitives think they have ownership of imagination and deep inner lives.
 
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i think that's a very fair argument lurker. and as you mentioned, it's not really healthy to be bias towards half of the population.

when we learned the mbti types, i was in a seminar for work. for N vs. S we were asked to describe a coke can. the N's said it was full of caffeine and calories, was stackable, recycable, etc. the S's said it was... a red can.

while i can see how that world view can be good in certain situations, jobs, etc... i also think that N's have an advantage. we can obviously see the can is a red can, but we can also see what its possibilities are. and most of the time, that's not really a bad thing. at least to me.

im not trying to invalidate sensors' worth. just stating my opinion that i tend to like nt's and nf's more. as do a few others on this thread i see.
 
I see nothing wrong with preferring to socialise with NT/NFs, we all have our preferences, it's dismissing others for what they're not that I see is an issue.

And yes, as there are scenarios where sensors have an advantage, there are situations where the reverse is true and intuitives have the upper hand.

The coke can example is interesting, both are right of course but looking in very different ways, for me being able to clearly see the big picture is something I’m glad to be able to do but I feel as though sometimes I'm too busy focusing on the forest I can't see the damn trees, I don’t pay attention to the obvious and basic things get missed. Neither is superior, they are just different preferences.
 
The secret is that among those around you 1 or 2 of them are infjs and among their circles there’s 1 or 2 more.

I basically test almost everyone I get along with and it turns out 3 females were infj and they're all my friends. I've yet to meet a male Infj but I have suspicions as to who they might be.

On another note I've noticed most of my friends are either, INTP, INFJ and most commonly ENFPs.
 
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IndigoSensor said:
I would be lying if I said I did not have a bias agients sensors. That is just because I have been around a few bad sensors in my life.
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This is what it boils down to mostly, I think. It's just not very open minded to hold that against Sensors in general, I would be very surprised if some Sensors haven't made some sort of positive impact on your life.
 
yes i wish there were more.
or atleast i knew someone that was
 
Do I wish there were more INFJs in the world? Not really - I'm glad for the collection we have. I think there's a decent enough balance. I've met one other INFJ in my life, but I was her mentor/teacher, so the relationship was different. I may have met one other INFJ in my late youth (22 or so?) but we didn't click. It was very strange, because neither one of us spoke to each other, and my mother was the one who thought we'd hit it off. But I'd never met anyone who was as quiet as I was, and equally deep at the same time. Probably the first time for her, too. ;)

As to the Sensor comment, we need Sensors. I've often spoken of my (nosedive!) as an executive secretary, because it really, really relied on Sensor techniques. I could play the game, but only for so long. I think intuitives are good at doing the Sensor dance because we've had to, but we're not experts at staying there. I'm in awe with some of the things Sensors are capable of doing, because I know I can't do it long term.

But any style or preference can drive me nutty if I'm around it too often, and it's not edifying. Sadly, I'm so used to being on my own in areas where I don't fit, that it's easy for me to slip into some kind of routine so I won't be bothered by others.
 
I like the fact that i am so unique .....but when it comes down to it ... VERY few people understand me and that can be difficult at times, yet if i were given a choice i honestly wouldn't have it anyother way :)
 
I think the current INFJ population is fine as is. Wouldn't want to destroy the delicate MBTI equilibrium.
 
i wish i knew more INFJs in real life. sometimes i feel isolated and lonely, but i'm glad when i see other INFJs online who share aspects of my way of thinking and etc.
 
I feel like a lot of the time we wish people would understand us more and when they try we give up trying to relate to them. I dont wish there were more infjs I wish there were more understanding people in the world..
 
no...I agree with Efromm if we stopped trying so hard to conform to what society wants us to be we might be more understood..
 
Are you different because you take some kind of pride in being different?
This attitude seems self-alienating.

Honestly, look around here. How similiar do you think any of these infjs are to one another? If this forum weren't labeled the INFJ forum, I wouldn't be able to see many similarities.

Maybe you should regard all people with an open mind, we're all people and individuals yet everyone feels the same spectrum of emotions you do. There is always something to identify with in another person.
 
I honestly think that there is probably a perfect mix of the personality types in the world. I don't know if I really want to be an INFJ. I really wish I could care less about people. It would be helpful to be more E than I. There are certain parts of my thought process that I wouldn't give up for the world though.
 
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