Does Bill Clinton Owe Monica Lewinsky an Apology?

Should Bill Apologize to Monica?

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Thing is, both were consenting adults. I absolutely agree with what @infinite dreams said. Even if Clinton did apologize, what type of closure would it bring? Monica and Bill were caught red-handed, and both had to face the repercussions to their actions--even though Monica dealt with a lot more and I honestly feel Clinton got away with it with only a slap on the wrist. Both were in the wrong either way.

Nonetheless, I have no respect for cheaters. I sound like an ass, but it is true. Monica knew Bill Clinton was married and was leading a country, and she was an intern who had a lot of high expectations. Bills priorities were screwed up and got away with barely any consequences.
Two grown adults both at fault here.

There isn't an apology needed honestly.
 
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A decent human being would take responsibility for his actions and apologize for contributing to the pain or embarrassment another person suffered. Regular people (who aren't president) who don't own their actions or know how to apologize lose all their friends and wreck their relationships.
...But then, we're assuming presidents are decent human beings. :tearsofjoy:
( -That's a completely bipartisan statement. I don't think presidents in general are decent human beings.)


While a president's behavior may matter to the people, specifically if his decisions impact his work and/or the government, I don't think it is any of our business whether the president has an affair. (Whatever we think about affairs, it is still not our business.) It's only our business because he lied under oath. The entire "scandal" was a huge distraction from focusing on policy.
 
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And let’s not forget about the huge dummy who’s president now. Cheater, liar, and has several if not more personality disorders, is mentally ill and fuck knows what else. I can’t believe the number of people who think he is so great because of his “honesty.” Just goes to show that if you believe in yourself (have NPD) you too can be a HUGE success!!
 
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Happy Phantom said:
And let’s not forget about the huge dummy who’s president now. Cheater, liar, and has several if not more personality disorders, is mentally ill and fuck knows what else. I can’t believe the number of people who think he is so great because of his “honesty.” Just goes to show that if you believe in yourself (have NPD) you too can be a HUGE success!!
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Amen
 
An older man in the seat of power, a young woman attracted to power... They both played their parts very well but I seriously doubt she was taken advantage of. She took just as much advantage boning the President thinking it would get her somewhere. They both deserved the backlash from it and I still believe she is owned absolutely nothing. I was nearly the same age as her when it happened. She was not an innocent. Modern day feminists need to put on their big girl panties and own up to bad behavior instead of always playing the victim card. Maybe then people will actually start taking them seriously.
 
ruji said:
Just wait until a Donald Trump sex tape leaks. We'll all need an apology.
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We'll all need shock therapy and possibly eye replacement surgery as well. But that's generally the formula.. powerful men attract women wanting a piece of that power for themselves. No one is innocent in that game.
 
I think it's worth noting that she was scapegoated and shamed by the media for the affair and he, though impeached, served the rest of his term and then went on to continue to make big money giving speeches and writing books. She was smart, she still made something of herself after it but I read her interview in Vanity Fair and she said there were jobs she was turned down for based on her history. And then jobs that exploited her history. (She must've been dreaming of being a porn star when she got that interning gig!) It has followed her her whole life. Beyonce is referencing her in songs. Not Bill Clinton.

She did consent but she faced the harsh consequences and humiliation for it. Not him. She should have thought about that double standard beforehand! And maybe that says way more about society. At least now we've evolved enough as a society to elect a pussy grabber who peeped on beauty pageant contestant dressing rooms! :tonguewink:

I don't think Clinton should be expected to apologise but I think the whole thing said a lot about our treatment of women.
 
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Was it Clinton who was responsible for dragging her through the mud or was it the media/public? There are good points made on both sides but I am still leaning towards no direct apology owed. I believe that in his public apology he mentioned “Ms. Lewinsky and her family.” I agree that a power dynamic was in play, but I am not entirely convinced that Monica was oblivious or powerless to choose not to get or stay involved because of it.

Edit: I will emphasize that the apology issue is imo separate from whether or not Bill is a good person or whether or not the repercussions faced by each were just or equal.

I haven’t seen the ted talk yet but will try to watch it later.
 
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acd said:
He didn't mess with a famous actress or some wealthy socialite
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IDK I bet he messed with those too.
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I don't think she needed to know what she was getting into. My impression is that she wanted to do it, it is irrelevant that she would know that it would become a big scandal. Did he plan for it to become public? I doubt it. Just two consenting public servants banging, what's wrong with that? If anyone is owed an apology it's probably those two who owe Hillary.
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BTW I always thought she was smoking hot, even if she was "chubby". I always thought the media sounded really gay when they bashed her weight. I think she is incredibly beautiful.
 
hush said:
Even if he did apologize - how much is an apology worth, if the person giving it doesn't mean it?
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acd said:
I think it's worth noting that she was scapegoated and shamed by the media for the affair and he, though impeached, served the rest of his term and then went on to continue to make big money giving speeches and writing books. She was smart, she still made something of herself after it but I read her interview in Vanity Fair and she said there were jobs she was turned down for based on her history. And then jobs that exploited her history. (She must've been dreaming of being a porn star when she got that interning gig!) It has followed her her whole life. Beyonce is referencing her in songs. Not Bill Clinton.

She did consent but she faced the harsh consequences and humiliation for it. Not him. She should have thought about that double standard beforehand! And maybe that says way more about society. At least now we've evolved enough as a society to elect a pussy grabber who peeped on beauty pageant contestant dressing rooms! :tonguewink:

I don't think Clinton should be expected to apologise but I think the whole thing said a lot about our treatment of women.
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Yeah agree on the double standard. It's not like she was the one that signed any contracts or took any vows. She wasn't the one that was married.
 
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IDK I bet he messed with those too.
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I don't think she needed to know what she was getting into. My impression is that she wanted to do it, it is irrelevant that she would know that it would become a big scandal. Did he plan for it to become public? I doubt it. Just two consenting public servants banging, what's wrong with that? If anyone is owed an apology it's probably those two who owe Hillary.
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BTW I always thought she was smoking hot, even if she was "chubby".
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Watching her in the Price of Shame talk, you can see she is a beautiful woman. Appears to be an introvert. She doesn't seem very comfortable in limelight. I don't see her as an attention seeker. I mean she tried to leave the stage early after her talk, and was encouraged to go back. She carries herself gracefully. The thing to keep in mind is that it's others, not her, who keeps bring her name up. She's not the one creating the attention, and still she is seen as responsible for it even after all this time.
 
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BTW I always thought she was smoking hot, even if she was "chubby". I always thought the media sounded really gay when they bashed her weight. I think she is incredibly beautiful.
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Yeah, I'd do her too. :p
Weight is too often a factor in judging beauty.
 
Sloe Djinn said:
So I think Bill Clinton recently gave an interview and was asked if he apologized to Monica Lewinsky about the relationship between them. He said he didn't but that he apologized to the public. I don't really see the reason that a personal apology is necessary for a scandal between two consenting adults. To my knowledge there were never any factors like rape or coercion to suggest that contact was forced or in any way non-consensual. I feel like they should both have known what the stakes were if they were to be discovered. From what I see, they each disgraced their posts, which warrant apologies to the public that they serve, but I don't really see personal apologies as a necessity, or the lack thereof as a character flaw.

Anyway, what do you all think?
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Giving her an apology shows that he has grown as a human being. She was very young and impressionable. He was the president. You would hope he would know better than to get with an intern. It was not only the president who knew either. Makes one wonder what other secrets they hid for him. As far as I'm concerned he used his position to position himself on to a impressionable young woman.
 
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