global warming

global warming?

  • Is happening and man made

  • Is happening and natural

  • Is not happening, greens are hysterical

  • Is just a distracting ploy

  • Is an attempt to establish a world government.

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I lean towards George Carlin's train of thought on this one:

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Did you know that a fungus capable of breaking down and digesting polyurethane was discovered fairly recently?
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Cool.

The other thing to consider is that landfills may one day become 'treasure troves' for natural resources. If we take the planet's waste from 10-50 years earlier, how much scrap metal and other valuable bits and pieces are lying dormant.

It's a bit like this so called 'peak oil' crisis which text books from the past would have suggested would be around now. What most people overlooked (perhaps not Lomborg) was that our ability to discover and extract oil would improve - especially as the commercial demands continued. There's also synthetic oil, although my understanding is it's quite energy intensive to produce.
 
Now is a bad time to question peak oil with the desperate signs all around us, Lee. A couple examples: fracking is one of the most desperate attempts humans have ever made at extracting a natural resource, a type of desperation we wouldn't need if there were nearly as much oil as the major exporters (specifically OPEC) would have us believe; and on the other side of things, the USA will soon become the world's top oil producer in large part due to the decline of other major producers (i.e. Saudi Arabia) all around the world.

The age of oil is winding down, whether you want to call it peak oil or something else. Ironically, it is perhaps the worst results of global warming that will provide some temporary relief to our overwhelming thirst for oil, as major countries have plans on how to extract oil from the Arctic ice cap once it melts away, which is looking closer and closer. I remember how a few years ago it was said that we might not have any summer Arctic ice by 2100, a couple years ago it was changed to 2050, and now some estimates put it as low as 2020.

It seems denial of peak oil is directly correlated to denial of global warming. If our oil reserves are so stable, we shouldn't be planning for a desperate grab of Arctic resources. If catastrophic climate change isn't happening, we would have no way to get these resources. Denial of both is key to increasing corporate profits at a grand cost to the entire human race.
 
There's two sides to this really.

The view that peak oil is no longer a relevant theory http://science.time.com/2013/05/15/the-iea-says-peak-oil-is-dead-thats-bad-news-for-climate-policy/

and the side that says peak oil is still here perhaps, but not for a longer time.

You are perhaps right about global warming, although as I said before, it's no longer a relevant question. We've identified that oil isn't a sustainable resource, ergo we (as a planet) need to figure out a solution.

Fracking, like nuclear power, may well prove to be something in time we can tame.

The other approach, I guess would be a human retreat from Earth (so interact less, use less and so on), however that seems unlikely. I think technology may be able to sort out our problems, although we should never lose respect for Mother Earth.
 
What about the side that says peak oil is happening now, right before our eyes, but society has lulled itself into not noticing? It's pretty hard to miss OPEC's faking of their reserve count, the new decline of worldwide oil sources, and the sheer desperation with which oil companies are acting to get out every last bit they can while it's still reasonably cheap.

There's no perhaps to global warming. It's happening. It's here. It's having an immediate, profound, marked impact on how we live our very lives on a day to day basis. And it's probably past the point where we can find a solution. There may now be no reversing catastrophic climate change except time, potentially millions of years.
 
Oh... at risk at starting an argument that has somehow turned political in the news....
There is no factual scientific proof global warming is man made. Years before Gore was spouting off about global warming he was spouting off that another ice age was coming. Anyway, there is scientific proof that the earth has heating and cooling cycles and that it has gone through these long before mankind was ever even around.
 
unpersons said:
Now is a bad time to question peak oil with the desperate signs all around us, Lee. A couple examples: fracking is one of the most desperate attempts humans have ever made at extracting a natural resource, a type of desperation we wouldn't need if there were nearly as much oil as the major exporters (specifically OPEC) would have us believe; and on the other side of things, the USA will soon become the world's top oil producer in large part due to the decline of other major producers (i.e. Saudi Arabia) all around the world.

The age of oil is winding down, whether you want to call it peak oil or something else. Ironically, it is perhaps the worst results of global warming that will provide some temporary relief to our overwhelming thirst for oil, as major countries have plans on how to extract oil from the Arctic ice cap once it melts away, which is looking closer and closer. I remember how a few years ago it was said that we might not have any summer Arctic ice by 2100, a couple years ago it was changed to 2050, and now some estimates put it as low as 2020.

It seems denial of peak oil is directly correlated to denial of global warming. If our oil reserves are so stable, we shouldn't be planning for a desperate grab of Arctic resources. If catastrophic climate change isn't happening, we would have no way to get these resources. Denial of both is key to increasing corporate profits at a grand cost to the entire human race.
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Frack!
 
Eventhorizon said:
Oh... at risk at starting an argument that has somehow turned political in the news....
There is no factual scientific proof global warming is man made. Years before Gore was spouting off about global warming he was spouting off that another ice age was coming. Anyway, there is scientific proof that the earth has heating and cooling cycles and that it has gone through these long before mankind was ever even around.
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Manbearpig Gore has done a great job of profiting off of all of it too.
And yes, when I was growing up all the predictions were we were heading back into an ice age.
 
i personally never believed in "global warming," but I do notice that the climate has been out of wack as of late. Whether it's man made or not, I don''t know.
 
People need to research the term "theory" as it applies to science. A scientific theory isn't the same as a "theory" Joe Nobody on the street has. Theories in science are proven by a plethora of data and logic. The only reason the term "theory" is used instead of "law" comes down to whether or not it can be replicated.


  • The Big Bang is only theory because people can't reproduce condensing that much matter in one space, then watching it explode into a universe.
  • Evolution is only a theory because humans don't have the ability to reproduce 4 billion years of life.
  • Climate change is only a theory because humans don't have another planet with the same conditions to reproduce the effects.

The only thing arguing against scientific theory does, is expose your lack of understanding about the whole thing and make you look like an idiot, which we seem to have an abundance of in this country!
 
well that's one theory.......
 
Apone said:
If we had the right dictator in place at the moment, all of our environmental problems would be solved… provided said dictator was willing to place their ideology ahead of the economy, and then use force to suppress the ensuing revolt.
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The whole global warming thing is bullshit.

Sure, it's happening (probably); and sure, human activity has something to do with it. But so what?

If you look at the Earth's geological record, dramatic climate change is certainly very characteristic of this planet. The question that seems to be overlooked is: is climate change something that needs to be avoided?

The mentality at present almost seems to wish that the Earth operate like some air-conditioned building, with no scope for variation. I personally would be interested to see the climate change to the extent that the Sahara region, of Nth Africa, become forested, as it used to be when the Earth's climate was warmer.
 
http://www.greatglobalwarming.com/

Oh and why even worry about global warming? The next Gamma-ray burst from a dying star or invisible black hole, the next quadrant over will bake all life on earth anyway. Not like we have a chance in hell to keep that from happening. So...sure fight it but its inevitable.
 
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I'd like to know just what is considered a perfect Earth climate.
There has to be some sort of benchmark being used after all. Claims can't be made that it is changing for the better or worse unless there is an ideal benchmark in mind.
 
RISK EMPHASIS
The report emphasizes the risks, and portrays cuts to greenhouse gas emissions as an insurance policy for the planet.
"Climate change is really a challenge of managing risks," Christopher Field, co-chair of the IPCC group preparing the report, told Reuters before its release on Monday.The risks range from death to disrupted livelihoods in low-lying coastal zones and small islands, due to storm surges, coastal flooding, and sea-level rise, the report said.
Immediate action is needed, says the report, which follows a warning that humans are probably responsible for global warming thought to cause droughts, colder weather and rising sea levels.
"Unless we act dramatically and quickly, science tells us our climate and our way of life are literally in jeopardy," U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said in a statement. "Denial of the science is malpractice."
Still, many governments have pleaded for greater scientific certainty before making billion-dollar investments in everything from flood barriers to renewable energies.
"There are those who say we can't afford to act. But waiting is truly unaffordable. The costs of inaction are catastrophic," Kerry said.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/31/us-climate-ipcc-idUSBREA2U00E20140331
 
Yeah just no proof. Weather Channel president says humans have the same effect on earths climate as someone farting in a hurricane. Kind of think hed be the one to know.
 
David Clark, former Madison Square Garden and Fuse executive, has been named president of The Weather Channel. Clark will oversee all aspects of programming, strategy, and operations for the television network, including live and long form programming. His appointment was announced by David Kenny, CEO and Chairman of The Weather Company.

“David brings a unique and broad range of experience across all areas of media and television to this role, one that requires a leader who understands the brand promise of The Weather Channel network while understanding how it must super serve our core audience of weather enthusiasts,” said Kenny.

“As a lifelong fan, I am honored to join a team so deeply committed to such an important mission. As anyone passionate about the science of weather knows, weather is unique in its ability to bind us together in common experience and The Weather Channel is at the heart of that,” said Clark. “It’s an incredible time to be joining The Weather Company.”
Clark joins TWC from The Madison Square Garden (MSG) Company where he was executive vice president, sales and partnership development. In that role he was responsible for all media sales, strategy and partnership development across the MSG’s media brands. Previously, he was executive vice president and general manager of Fuse, a national network devoted entirely to music. At Fuse he was responsible for the network's direction and growth strategy and oversaw all of the network's day-to-day business operations including programming, production, marketing and ad sales. While at Fuse, he built a news division and production infrastructure, green-lit seven original series into production for the 12/13 season and initiated Fuse’s move into long-form programming.

Prior to joining MSG, Clark was a founding member of JOOST.com, a leading online aggregator of premium video entertainment, where he held a variety of management roles. Previously he served as vice president, global marketing partnerships for MTV Networks where he built MTV's global partnerships to leverage the network's assets. He also worked as chief operating officer of Shanah.com, a community and commerce web portal and held several management positions at Simon & Schuster.
Clark holds a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science and International Relations from Tulane University.
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http://press.weather.com/press-releases/david-clark-named-president-of-the-weather-channel-network/
 
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