Hillary Clinton caught lying in email scandal

Not illegal ... interesting take.
 
Eventhorizon said:
Not illegal ... interesting take.
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the having her Department of State account with her personal one, that is. If the Department knew about it and OK'd it, that's on them.

Now the supposed deletion or conflation of email to personal interests, etc. i don't know enough about, nor has anything been proven yet for me to accurately comment on.
 
I don't have anything useful to add, I just fixed the spelling in the thread title from Hilary --> Hillary because it's been bothering me for ages.
 
rawr said:
so i did a bit more reading - it appears that the person who managed Clinton's email system, Pagliano, worked for the State Department at the time, classified as a GS-15, with the title of Special Adviser and Deputy Chief Information Officer. Given those credentials, it seems clear that the State Department was aware of what was going on, which to me seems like a lack of good judgement. That being said, Pagliano was apparently hired with no previous national security experience nor existing clearance. Supposedly in 2011 the Department offered her a .gov email account and her aide refused it. So i guess what she did was not illegal herself, but the whole situation seems dogdey and stupid.
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Yes. She was approved the use of that e-mail server, but not for secret documents. The question of law now really is what was in the documents and whether it violated security.
 
PintoBean said:
Yes. She was approved the use of that e-mail server, but not for secret documents. The question of law now really is what was in the documents and whether it violated security.
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well that does complicate it - have a source? I read something earlier that said supposedly the only classified info [of the docs that they had reviewed] contained classified info sent from other person and not Hillary herself. Then there's also the issue of multiple agencies disagreeing on what's classified and the levels therein.

That being said overall it was a stupid decision, as is obvious now. Still trying to find news articles that aren't just political tirades on the subject of her wiping the server or not, as that would be a graver issue, i think.
 
Yes, this is where it gets dicey. There is some issue now whether things that she sent which are definitely classified now were classified then. However, just offhand, I can think of the fact Hillary Clinton instructed an aide to remove "secure" and send "non-secure." I think this started as fax issue, and then she specifically told the aide to improperly send it by e-mail to her non-secure server.
http://hotair.com/archives/2016/01/...-transmit-classified-e-mail-without-markings/
I think now the Hillary and co. argument is "well, it was okay to strip the label if it wasn't really secure, and it wasn't really secure even if it was labelled as such," but this really reeks to me. I mean, if an aide is reluctant to send in a non-secure way, why? Why would it get to the point of her giving the instruction "“If they can’t, turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure.”
 
I just don't see her winning a general elections, I will vote for her if she is the nominee but I am sending $ to Sanders.
 
Anywhere But Here said:
Trump is a moron.

So is Hillary, but at least she has a brain.

I'd like to see Sanders move to the top.
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We see it all differently, but that's fine.

I'm not sure which I would prefer between Clinton and Sanders. Probably Sanders.
 
Elegant Winter said:
We see it all differently, but that's fine.

I'm not sure which I would prefer between Clinton and Sanders. Probably Sanders.
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Agreed. I think we are due for some positive change. Sanders could possibly be the guy to get the ball rolling.
 
Anywhere But Here said:
Trump is a moron.

So is Hillary, but at least she has a brain.

I'd like to see Sanders move to the top.
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Realistically i don't see that happening. I imagine if he starts to gain over Hillary, the "smear campaigns" will start, he'll be branded a socialist, half of America will freak out and not vote for him. Pessimistic? Maybe. Realistic? Probably. Plus he seems more popular with the younger crowd, which historically has a lower voter turnout.
 
PintoBean said:
Yes, this is where it gets dicey. There is some issue now whether things that she sent which are definitely classified now were classified then. However, just offhand, I can think of the fact Hillary Clinton instructed an aide to remove "secure" and send "non-secure." I think this started as fax issue, and then she specifically told the aide to improperly send it by e-mail to her non-secure server.
http://hotair.com/archives/2016/01/...-transmit-classified-e-mail-without-markings/
I think now the Hillary and co. argument is "well, it was okay to strip the label if it wasn't really secure, and it wasn't really secure even if it was labelled as such," but this really reeks to me. I mean, if an aide is reluctant to send in a non-secure way, why? Why would it get to the point of her giving the instruction "“If they can’t, turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure.”
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I read that too.

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Anywhere But Here said:
Agreed. I think we are due for some positive change. Sanders could possibly be the guy to get the ball rolling.
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I think building a wall on the Mexican border constitutes positive change.
 
rawr said:
Realistically i don't see that happening. I imagine if he starts to gain over Hillary, the "smear campaigns" will start, he'll be branded a socialist, half of America will freak out and not vote for him. Pessimistic? Maybe. Realistic? Probably. Plus he seems more popular with the younger crowd, which historically has a lower voter turnout.
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You never know. I think the sad (and realistic) truth is that none of it really matters. Half of our votes don't even count. The outcome won't reflect the voice of the people.
 
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Uhhhh.. Sanders is a socialist as well as Hillary.
Hillary has a brain? When did that happen? She didnt even know how to work a fax machine a year ago.
Trump is a red faced blowhard. I agree with about 25 percent of what he started out saying and now Im like ...really?
I just hope I dont have to vote the lesser of evils again.
In the end I really hope a non career politician is chosen for the Non socialist nominee.
Either way even if you like Hillar... (excuse me I just threw up in my mouth a bit) ummm... right. Even if you like that person people need to send a message and say that national security comes first and give her the boot for that alone.
 
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Elegant Winter said:
I think building a wall on the Mexican border constitutes positive change.
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Absolutely agree. It needs to be armed (potentially autonomously) and monitored. But we dont even have to build a wall. Sensors would work better...be cheaper. Then follow through with prosecution of people who hire illegals.
 
Eventhorizon said:
Absolutely agree. It needs to be armed (potentially autonomously) and monitored. But we dont even have to build a wall. Sensors would work better...be cheaper. Then follow through with prosecution of people who hire illegals.
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Wow, we finally agree on something.
 
Going OT here, but I think Biden will come out of the wings and run at the last minute when Clinton gets indicted. I think the O. administration has it in for her. I think that will be the end of Trump too if Biden runs.
 
PintoBean said:
Going OT here, but I think Biden will come out of the wings and run at the last minute when Clinton gets indicted. I think the O. administration has it in for her. I think that will be the end of Trump too if Biden runs.
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Why will it be the end of Trump?
 
Most people already supporting Bernie will laugh at most of the "smear" campaigns against him. The GOP will most likely run "communist" ads against him and we'll laugh and roll our eyes.
 
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