Ideology of Fe...

Billy said:
You very well probably are, you have what we call a "1 track mind".
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ROFL. I didn't realize that sensing was related to "one track mindness" Regardless, if you only you knew how untrue that is of me in life. You shouldn't judge a person solely by what you see of them on a particular internet forum. People are a bit more complex than the persona they present within an isolated internet community.
 
I think some peoples ego restricts their perceptions. Their ego is shaped by their environment and upbringing. They are so anxious to fit into the behavioural patterns of those around them that they will then shape their super ego accordingly. Depending on what forces have been shaping the ego and super ego a massive divide can open up between the id and the super ego.

For example someone born into a religious community will be so concerned about complying to its rules and customs, so that they are accepted by the community, that they will shape their conscience accordingly; they will not question the tenets of the group because to do so would endanger their position in the group and threaten their own mental and physical harmony.

Perhaps some personality types are more able to step back from their surroundings and question what is going on around them and the validity of it...i don't know enough about it to say.

What's clear is that there are massive forces which are directed at shaping people from cradle to grave. These processes begin as soon as someone is born and maybe even whilst they are still in the womb.

The ego is adept at defense mechanisms. When it perceives a threat it shrinks in on itself (regression), which can cause a closed mindedness and a more conservative outlook.

If one of the forces acting on peoples minds is religion then this can create all sorts of perceived threats in the minds of the religious which will then kick start all the defensive mechanisms within the ego.

For example if a religious group was to condition itself to the idea that homosexuality is wrong then that becomes a threat to them. When any clear minded person who is intent on making up their own mind can clearly see that as long as people are sensible, respectful and not hurting anyone in their actions then they should be free to do what they want in their emotional/sexual lives.

If you are trying to show someone a new way of seeing things (perhaps one with less prejudice) then you are going to come up against all the complexes which have been shaped in their super ego.

If the ego regresses when it perceives a threat then it will become defensive and can be steered more easily by those who claim they will deal with the threat.

Another force acting on the minds of people is the media. The effect of creating fear (and hate) through the media, whether it is over homosexuality or over other percieved threats such as from other groups/nations of people, has a massivley damaging effect on the minds of people.

The more scared they can make the people the more closeminded they will become and the more they can be persuaded to act in various ways in order to face the perceived threat.

If people are fearful, they will not think clearly.
 
I've heard so many different meta narratives now....its just about finding an interpretation which puts the point across effectively.

The reality is that there are people of influence with a good grasp of how people think and they know what buttons to press to get their desired effect.

I think people are often not equiped with the tools to interprete what is happening and this leaves them open to all sorts of manipulation.
 
muir said:
I've heard so many different meta narratives now....its just about finding an interpretation which puts the point across effectively.

The reality is that there are people of influence with a good grasp of how people think and they know what buttons to press to get their desired effect.

I think people are often not equiped with the tools to interprete what is happening and this leaves them open to all sorts of manipulation.
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That is why all I ask of people is that they know why they believe what they believe. I don't care if they choose to believe it simply because it makes them feel good to do so and gives them purpose and a group identity. I'm guilty of that on many levels. I just want them to be aware of it. i want them to know the consequences of doing it. If they choose to give into their affections for a certain concept, whether it is God, or personal freedom, or money, then fine, but ignoring how they may be contributing to the suffering of others by doing so is devoid of humanity. It is utterly self serving.
 
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I too am of the opinion that the issue is more about Si than Fe. Sure, Fe is involved, but its role is secondary.

Fe wants to create interpersonal harmony, but Si is more responsible for the belief that said harmony must be achieved by adhering to social norms. It is Si that notices the similarities and difference between things, events, peoples, demographics, etc. Strong Si users tend to be uncomfortably hyperaware of the contrast between what they perceive in the world around them and their internal norms. SJs also have a habit of confusing norms with ideals.

The weaker Si of NPs, especially us INTPs, tends to be hyperaware of and bothered by similarities to unjustified norms instead of differences. Difference between norms and ideals are to us like differences between reality and norms are to SJs.



Also, the idea of appealing to the disgust caused by viewing said hard-core gay porn seems more like an immature Fi think than an Fe thing. We could very well be dealing with STJs rather than NFJs.
 
magister343 said:
Also, the idea of appealing to the disgust caused by viewing said hard-core gay porn seems more like an immature Fi think than an Fe thing. We could very well be dealing with STJs rather than NFJs.
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I agreed that appealing to the disgust would seem to appeal to Fi rather than Fe, but the appeal itself would be Fe 'reaching out' to people's Fi (and sometimes, Ti)

I think the lower levels (and the ordinary ones people have encountered on daily basis) would be likely to be an SJ, but I'd say the top tiers, the preachers, are more than likely to be NJs (with inclination to be NFJ), with great understanding to those people's 'need' and 'fear', which would likely to be a usage of Fe.

I might be wrong here, though.
 
Satya said:
That is why all I ask of people is that they know why they believe what they believe.
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This seems like a lot to ask for. Many people think they know when they have no idea. People can spend their whole lives trying to know, and come up with the wrong answers over and over and over again.

It seems more reasonable to ask people to consider the questions than to know the answers.


Satya said:
i want them to know the consequences of doing it.
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This is easier.
 
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