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Yeah there may be a pattern. I'm not sure. I mean I am an INFJ and can be idealistic looking for a partner but partially that is because I want to commit to someone with whom I can go the distance and with a person who can go the distance with me.
Thus far what you've written about your current girl seems like she is going the distance ... you are the one backing out. Which is fine, but you need to be honest with her. Tell her you are not as ready as you thought you were and you want to slow down a little, then she can chose what she wants to do.
 
Whether you say it in words or actions, when you tell a woman to slow down she pulls up stakes and splits.
What if a woman says it in words or actions...how would a man react?
 
My thoughts are simple, just be honest about how you feel -- with yourself and her.

I don't think it's my place to jump on your character or know whether or not you're ready for a new relationship based on a few paragraphs.
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What if a woman says it in words or actions...how would a man react?
A healthy man, one with decent self esteem and a non overblown ego, would (imo) take it as one of many obstacles the woman he desires is going to put up, either consciously or unconsciously, in order for him to prove to her, and himself, that he really wants, and is ready for, what he wants.
 
A healthy man, one with decent self esteem and a non overblown ego, would (imo) take it as one of many obstacles the woman he desires is going to put up, either consciously or unconsciously, in order for him to prove to her, and himself, that he really wants, and is ready for, what he wants.

Yeah I agree with this.
 
Thus far what you've written about your current girl seems like she is going the distance ... you are the one backing out. Which is fine, but you need to be honest with her. Tell her you are not as ready as you thought you were and you want to slow down a little, then she can chose what she wants to do.
Yeah that's fair advice. Also I wonder if I am misunderstanding and reacting to her needs inaccurately. I hope to get clarity when we talk. Like maybe there is something she needs that I can give her but I just don't have the same need and I'm misinterpreting her need by projecting what I would be meaning by some of the things she's said were I to be the one saying it. Maybe I can diffuse the situation by asking the right questions.
 
My thoughts are simple, just be honest about how you feel -- with yourself and her.

I don't think it's my place to jump on your character or know whether or not you're ready for a new relationship based on a few paragraphs.
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All of this, but especially the first sentence. You need to be fully honest with yourself and with her. Anything less will complicate things for the both of you.
 
I think you might be in love with an idea and not a person. I would start with your first INTJ relationship. You said that you were "deeply in love with her" for 15 months, however, if you broke up after 2 years you dated for another 9 months feeling that she was dismissive toward you so you actually spent 40% of the relationship not being happy. Why would you miss that? I would ask myself these questions: 1. How did she handle the break up? Was she sad, angry, attempting to reconnect etc.. I would bet that answer would be "no" but that's just speculation. 2. Why do you get to determine what communicating in a "healthy" way is? Do you think she would agree with your definition? 3. What does "self absorbed" mean and what does being "dismissive of your needs" mean? Perhaps you were being the self absorbed one. What were her needs? Do you know? I am not trying to be an "ass" but if you are looking for honest self reflection this is where you should start IMO.
 
... I can be transparent without coming off like I'm in a bad place...

.... 2. Why do you get to determine what communicating in a "healthy" way is? Do you think she would agree with your definition?...

These quotes may not all be referring to the same thing, but are you sure that you are really in a good and healthy place, OP?
 
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Ok I'm going to try to make this succinct. I had a relationship just under two years that ended about 6 months ago. It was mystical and magical from the moment I met her. She (intj) captured my heart and mind and I fell deeply in love with her. It started where we both were not looking for anything serious but there was no way this wasn't going to be casual. After 15 or so months she started to become self absorbed and dismissive of my needs to feel connected. There's a ton of details here but let's just say it was something akin to a NF/NT death spiral on steroids. I tried over and over to communicate in a healthy way but she would just be dismissive or annoyed. Since I had fallen so hard that really fucked with my head. Eventually I broke up with her because it was too painful and made me feel crazy. I learned a lot from it though and still am.

I started dating again after a few months with a new list of red flags to look for. I wasn't looking for casual but for all of the things missing in that painful experience.

I have been dating for 3 months or so a new girl. How she treats me on paper is everything missing from the previous gf. She's great. More mature, has her shit together, way into me, sex is fantastic and plentiful, its a long list of good things. Here's the problem areas. I'm not infatuated with her nor falling in love though I like her. It's nice. I told her from the beginning when she was asking if I was open to finding something serious and long term to which I replied yeah, that's actually all I'm looking for but I have to go very sloooow, in part because it takes me a while to open up / trust and partially because my last relationship ended not too long ago. She has been moving fast in spite of that. She's a more decisive type and she was way into me from the get go. I'm still heart broken from being so vulnerably in love and having my needs dismissed etc... I didn't realize the extent until the new girl started looking for more emotional connection / security from me faster than I was ready. She told me like week two that she was taking down her online profiles and wanted to focus just on me...freaked me out a little but wtv. That dynamic is still at play. I like her too much to call it but I don't want to do to her what my ex gf did to me so I'm feeling more withdrawl / run reactions internally as she is pushing forward full steam.

We're going to talk today because she is noticing my reactions and seems to be having feelings resulting that seem familiar to what I was feeling with ex gf but only after 15 months...this has only been like 3. I'm planning on telling her the following: Partially I think its how quick we went from hello to acting like we were in a LTR. It all went faster than I meant for it to and I feel like you are emotionally invested more than I can be right now. I told you things in the beginning like I need to go really slow when you asked if I was open to something serious. That's still true. Except that it didn't go slow and I'm uncomfortable. Part of my uncomfortableness is due to realizing that I have some stuff I need to work on in order to be ready for a serious (and healthy) relationship. Partially because I think you're all in and I feel an imbalance. Like you are needing more from me than I can give right now and I feel pressure from that to have emotions that I don't have and probably can't have right now. It isn't fair to you and the dynamic doesn't feel good to me either. I'm not feeling what you're feeling for me and it makes me self conscious because I don't want to be inauthentic by just saying what I think you want to hear. I don't want to mess things up because there's a lot of good dynamics. But I need to be honest about the above so that you know where I'm at.

Thoughts?

TLDR: Girl broke my heart cause I fell in love and she cooled off. New girl is going too fast and it feels like I'm cooling off cause I don't want to fake it. Feels like the reverse of when I was heart broken. Gonna have to tell her I'm uncomfortable
Sounds like NT is alluring to you, and perhaps you are attracted to this aspect as "other." However, at some point you need aspects of "same" (NF).

I think you need to find a highly disciplined/organised (ocd?) NF, who is definitely warm, but not cloyingly so; a girl who is hard to figure out, and can be both a complete softy and an exacting achiever.
 
Ok I'm going to try to make this succinct. I had a relationship just under two years that ended about 6 months ago. It was mystical and magical from the moment I met her. She (intj) captured my heart and mind and I fell deeply in love with her. It started where we both were not looking for anything serious but there was no way this wasn't going to be casual. After 15 or so months she started to become self absorbed and dismissive of my needs to feel connected. There's a ton of details here but let's just say it was something akin to a NF/NT death spiral on steroids. I tried over and over to communicate in a healthy way but she would just be dismissive or annoyed. Since I had fallen so hard that really fucked with my head. Eventually I broke up with her because it was too painful and made me feel crazy. I learned a lot from it though and still am.

I started dating again after a few months with a new list of red flags to look for. I wasn't looking for casual but for all of the things missing in that painful experience.

I have been dating for 3 months or so a new girl. How she treats me on paper is everything missing from the previous gf. She's great. More mature, has her shit together, way into me, sex is fantastic and plentiful, its a long list of good things. Here's the problem areas. I'm not infatuated with her nor falling in love though I like her. It's nice. I told her from the beginning when she was asking if I was open to finding something serious and long term to which I replied yeah, that's actually all I'm looking for but I have to go very sloooow, in part because it takes me a while to open up / trust and partially because my last relationship ended not too long ago. She has been moving fast in spite of that. She's a more decisive type and she was way into me from the get go. I'm still heart broken from being so vulnerably in love and having my needs dismissed etc... I didn't realize the extent until the new girl started looking for more emotional connection / security from me faster than I was ready. She told me like week two that she was taking down her online profiles and wanted to focus just on me...freaked me out a little but wtv. That dynamic is still at play. I like her too much to call it but I don't want to do to her what my ex gf did to me so I'm feeling more withdrawl / run reactions internally as she is pushing forward full steam.

We're going to talk today because she is noticing my reactions and seems to be having feelings resulting that seem familiar to what I was feeling with ex gf but only after 15 months...this has only been like 3. I'm planning on telling her the following: Partially I think its how quick we went from hello to acting like we were in a LTR. It all went faster than I meant for it to and I feel like you are emotionally invested more than I can be right now. I told you things in the beginning like I need to go really slow when you asked if I was open to something serious. That's still true. Except that it didn't go slow and I'm uncomfortable. Part of my uncomfortableness is due to realizing that I have some stuff I need to work on in order to be ready for a serious (and healthy) relationship. Partially because I think you're all in and I feel an imbalance. Like you are needing more from me than I can give right now and I feel pressure from that to have emotions that I don't have and probably can't have right now. It isn't fair to you and the dynamic doesn't feel good to me either. I'm not feeling what you're feeling for me and it makes me self conscious because I don't want to be inauthentic by just saying what I think you want to hear. I don't want to mess things up because there's a lot of good dynamics. But I need to be honest about the above so that you know where I'm at.

Thoughts?

TLDR: Girl broke my heart cause I fell in love and she cooled off. New girl is going too fast and it feels like I'm cooling off cause I don't want to fake it. Feels like the reverse of when I was heart broken. Gonna have to tell her I'm uncomfortable

I was on the other side of that. I think I've told my story in another way in another discussion, but your point of view has really helped me understand what he was going through. I ended up pushing him away completely because it hurt a lot when he did that, but he did what he needed to, and I was the one who told him we should wait and be friends... That didn't work, but I'm hoping we can be friends again in time. I hope everything works out alright for you. Stay true to yourself and your feelings. good luck!
 
so you actually spent 40% of the relationship not being happy.
Not exactly. There the 40% was a roller coaster of recurring issues. When it was good it was euphorically good though. But because issues never were solved they kept coming back around and the overall pain level slowly rose until I broke when I decided she wasn't at a place to try to solve problems.

Why would you miss that?
I don't miss feeling like shit. I miss the connection when things were good. I miss the Ni mind meld conversations that would last for hours. I miss her face and looking at her. She was beautiful and watching her walk across a room would make me swoon. I miss her mind. Her thoughts and so on.

1. How did she handle the break up? Was she sad, angry, attempting to reconnect etc..

She was really angry and sad. She didn't attempt to save anything. She did a few times reach out but sometimes it seemed like it was to fuck with my head/emotions out of revenge. Other times because she actually missed me. Once asked for breakup sex after a few weeks but I was devastated and couldn't possibly. Told her I wanted to talk and try to understand each other and work on the relationship... not "do it" one more time. She wasn't having it. Later she was upset and asking why I broke up and I explained everything and she said, yeah but that all could have been fixed...but it couldn't actually because I TRIED and TRIED to fix it with her input while we were still together and she wouldn't try. Just said that this is the way she is etc... So I know that it takes 2 people to want to try to fix things and while still together she didn't. Even after breakup I wanted to try but she refused. So that's that. All indication was that future relationship would continue where I was the only one willing to roll up sleeves and talk about hard stuff and that is just more pain than I can handle.

2. Why do you get to determine what communicating in a "healthy" way is? Do you think she would agree with your definition?

Sorry but this is a bit funny to me if you knew the dynamic.

3. What does "self absorbed" mean and what does being "dismissive of your needs" mean?

Self absorbed means all you talk about is yourself and what you're up to and never even asking how was your day? Much less any further show of interest in the other person. I don't really care at this point if she would agree with my definition. It's very over. Seriously any definition of self absorbed probably fits. It wasn't always like that but thats where things ended up.

What were her needs? Do you know?
Yeah because literally everything was revolving around her needs towards the end. I'm pretty clear where I went wrong and things I could have done better. I took to heart her complaints and she's damn smart and many of them were accurate however most of the complaints were that I had needs for reciprocation or a little attention/validation that she didn't want to put effort towards. Basically if I was a robot with no needs and could serve at her pleasure we would have gotten along fine. Even if 70% of the attention was on her in the relationship but 30% was on me I could have been happy but it was more like 90%/10% and I couldn't cope with that. Probably it just wasn't a great fit once the dopamine wore of for her.
 
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