INFJ Political Pattern

[Faye]

How can you use those clearly political terms as insults? I don't understand.

1) Know nothing about any of the ideologies.
2) Assume that they are all ideologies supporting mass murder and the end of freedom.
3) Be a moron in general.

 

[VH]

I am a staunch moderate. I've yet to find a political system that reflects my views.

I am socially liberal, but a hardliner on crime. If it's not hurting anyone, the government should not be involved. If it is, the government should be far more involved.
I am fiscally conservative, but a firm believer in charity. It is not the government's responsibility to take money from one group and give it to another. It is the government's responsibility to encourage it's citizens to do this themselves.

In my experience, there aren't a lot of consistencies within cognitive types and political affiliation, other than the reasons for their affiliation. Most of the Fe's I know are conservatives who feel they know how things should be, and most of the Fi's I know are liberals wanting as few restrictions on themselves as possible. However, these are not always the case by any means. I have some profoundly active liberal friends who feel that is the way things should be that are Fe's, and I know a fair number of Fi's who are conservatives because they want to be protected from crime and immorality. I think that cognitive function simply implies perspective and not alignment in something as complex as political views.

 

[Stu]

I saw this thread yesterday, and thought I should think it over before I decided to reply.

Then, I see your reply, which is basically what I was going to say in a nutshell.

In the process of government trying to create the ideal of social justice, in trying to legislate a level playing field for all, it cannot accomplish this without being discriminatory itself.
Affirmative Action is a perfect example.

I tend to lean Libertarian.

I believe our government should be run as it was intended and set up by the founding fathers.
Other than providing for the common defense, providing basic services such as infrastructure, it should have a hands off approach to governing.

But, the 2 main parties have everything so tied up and f'd up that there is no going back. I make little differentiation between the Democratic and Republican parties, they all suck.

Cancers kill 24% of the population, it may be eliminated through medical research and subsequent medical care. Does this fall into 'promote the general welfare' or 'provide for the common defense' or do we simply ignore ( on a governmental level) it because the founding fathers could not conceive of and end to disease?

 

[the]

Still don't get it.

The only reason anyone worked together under the Nazi party was because they were glad to have scapegoats to make themselves feel superior to after an embarrassing end to WWI for Germany.

The conditions were prime for Hitler to be accepted and championed. The country was in shambles, people were desperate and losing hope, and felt themselves the losers of the world. Hitler stepped up in all his passion and made them feel powerful under his guidance. If anything, I'd say Nazi Germany just goes to show that under the worst conditions, the majority become ruthless spineless sheep.

As for visual aspects.. Yes. Those yellow Star of David patches were certainly fashionably worn in the streets. Went quite nicely with the smashed in windows of Jewish businesses as well.

Not to mention those cozy smoke arising from the concentration camps.

But those uniforms the SS wore were pretty sharp!

(forgive my sarcasm. But come on.)

I thought this was about ideology, anyway. I'm having a hard time separating the merits of the Nazi's organization from their ideology.

Dont forget the ashy skin created a market for body lotions and lovely scented balms!

 

[Gaze]

I lean in the direction of the left, but am flexible on most issues. I see politics as having so many levels and perspectives that it is nearly impossible to know anything for absolute certain. My positions on most political topics shift based on new information. I often am frustrated by politics because I know there is a significant amount of propaganda on most topics and from most news sources now. It is so filled with manipulation that is easy to spot. It leaves me primarily uncertain. I can see some advantage of having whoever is in power to be subject to an election rather than being a tycoon who cannot be taken out of power.

+1

 

[Billy]

Totally disagree, I know other INFjs who are also not liberals. Its all i how you are raised.

 

[bamf]

Totally disagree, I know other INFjs who are also not liberals. Its all i how you are raised.

Yeah I agree. I don't think personality type has a lot to do with a person's political ties. Upbringing and life experiences play a big part.

 

[Billy]

Yeah I agree. I don't think personality type has a lot to do with a person's political ties. Upbringing and life experiences play a big part.

Well look at it this way

I am an INFJ I exude a lot of INFJ traits. I am a hardcore self reliance person and despise socialism greatly, well social socialism with things like welfare etc.

My friend who is living with me is a pure ISTJ and he is an Obama loving idiot. All for socialism, etc AND a business owner. I think sterotypically he should be a conservative republican, but he isnt.

When I see threads like this I just see an agenda of sorts, like if we can convince everyone that INFJs are supposed to be socialism lovers then we can all band up together and trip away peoples MBTI type in our little forum and make sure that no one would dare to oppose our politics. Its been done to me many times already on this forum. WHAT? You dont support the liberal socialists?! Then you are not an INFJ!!! You are an ISFJ! Its fucking absurd.

 

[IndigoSensor]

You don't need to get so heated. The point to why I created this thread is because I see many trends that go hand and hand in with ones MBTI type. But keep in mind, it is a trend, not a parameter. Despite my love of putting everything in an iron box, I don't do that as often as it might seem. Of course people aren't going to fit this mold, or other molds, just because they are an INFJ. Your an example with this trend. I have quite a few things that I don't align with on most of the INFJ's here. Trends mean that most will fit the mold, but not all.

 

[Billy]

You don't need to get so heated. The point to why I created this thread is because I see many trends that go hand and hand in with ones MBTI type. But keep in mind, it is a trend, not a parameter. Despite my love of putting everything in an iron box, I don't do that as often as it might seem. Of course people aren't going to fit this mold, or other molds, just because they are an INFJ. Your an example with this trend. I have quite a few things that I don't align with on most of the INFJ's here. Trends mean that most will fit the mold, but not all.

I understand where you are coming from indigo, when I said that I didn't mean to imply you, you have been nothing but level headed since I got here. But what I am saying is that this thread IMO smacks of forum danger in that if we can convince everyone that INFJs are SUPPOSED to be this that or the other thing then we have an effective tool for ostracizing the ones that disagree with us politically. I have seen this done before elsewhere. Not saying you are doing it.

 

[NaeturVindur]

I understand where you are coming from indigo, when I said that I didn't mean to imply you, you have been nothing but level headed since I got here. But what I am saying is that this thread IMO smacks of forum danger in that if we can convince everyone that INFJs are SUPPOSED to be this that or the other thing then we have an effective tool for ostracizing the ones that disagree with us politically. I have seen this done before elsewhere. Not saying you are doing it.

but nobody's SAID that infjs are supposed to be a certain way, so there's no reason to get angry that this thread exists.

 

[Billy]

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[Stu]

Koba 6/22 #30
"Personally, I am not in favor of the US in any way, so there is no government I want it to have. It was formed by killing and deporting the people already living here, enslaving some others, and then getting down to business to exploit the world whenever possible. It has various national groups within its borders which face a comparatively more difficult life than the mainstream people, in addition to taking advantage of countries outside its borders, so it can correctly be called an empire. I do not support empire."

I have a problem with this statement. It implies that what occurred in the US from the time of the first colonies down to the present is some kind of aberration from the otherwise idyllic path of human history. Also, taking advantage of counties outside ones boarders is not a correct definition of "empire".

Poverty is the enemy of Humanity. When poverty is not the only option, individual minds can be freed to explore themselves and express themselves. Science and technology have been the most effective tools in removing the oppression of poverty. Science only flourishes where minds are free to express themselves. Societies that ensure freedom of expression and endeavor to eliminate poverty progress to an affluence that can afford individual psychological flowering.

 

[gloomy-optimist]

I am not angry, merely weary. When I look at something I usually look into the future and see the possibilities based on things I know Whether factually or intuitively. That's all I was doing. And people don't "say" INFJs are supposed to be anything, they just assume it or imply it. I was once told that I was definitely not an INFJ that I was possibly an ISFJ because I disagreed with someone politically. Because INFJs are into "this, that, and the other thing".

So I am expressing my weariness in a half hearted attempt to bring a level of awareness to people.

I understand what you mean. I am not socialist either (although I understand the appeal of it -- I just find some of the ideals and applications to be a bit short-sighted), and sometimes I feel as if I should be pushed to be because INFJs are supposed to "care" about people. I just don't believe that socialism is the best way to do that in certain situations.

The funny thing is, my ENTJ sister is diehard socialist, almost to the point of blindness. I still have yet to get her to understand that economics does need to be taken into account...

 

[Architectonic]

Every single person can be placed on a political graph, and be pegged into sub groups.

What happens if they don't have concrete ideas about policy or firm beliefs about ideology? It makes your pigeon-holing somewhat superficial and lacking in predictivity.

I do like the following sort of spectrum, but it is a mistake to assume that this is the only way of looking at politics.
http://pic.srv104.wapedia.mobi/thum...0/NS_politicalmap.png?format=jpg,png,gif,wbmp

 

[Angantyr]

No one side do I hate nor one side do I completely embrace.

I have had good friends who are Liberals, Conservatives, Communists, Nazis, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Gays and Pagans.

I used to drift to the left when I was a teenager then drifted to the right when I was 18-19 and now I'm somewhere in the middle.

 

[Norton]

In a democratic society, reality lies in the moderate center, as it should when diverse people get together to make laws through compromise and negotiation.

 

[enfp can be shy]

Ah, politics. Not much truth there, is it?

I don't feel that I have rights. I feel my heart and lungs, but rights... mmm, where. When I was little I was giving away most of my toys without anyone asking me. Not because of some jesus, budha, guru. I was a happy kid, wanted others to be happy too. I believe there is explanation for the political inclination of each person and the explanation is more down-to-earth than a pile of books on social theory. Partly genes, partly the approach of parents/carers/peers, many factors involved. For example, (rough oversimplification) if they didn't hug you much, or if they lied to you a lot, you may develop such distrust of authority that you would hate any government. And so on.

About INFJs, I'm only sure that they have complex political views. They likely won't even follow just one political inclination throughout their lives. Which seems sane, to me.

 

[Lucifer]

ENFPs are idealistic but don't have the patience for politics imo.

LOL I am a poly sci major. But I like to think that I break the mold in every single way.

Every time I take one of those test thingies I come out socialist. But I really don't like putting my self on an ideological spectrum because I think it stands in the way of reason. Too many people get caught up in the details of their ideology and filter everything through that lens instead the lens of common sense.

 

[Architectonic]

In a democratic society, reality lies in the moderate center, as it should when diverse people get together to make laws through compromise and negotiation.

Given the sheer number of possibilities and the limited computational abilities of our current market place and democratic systems, I think not.