[INTP] INTP/INFJ - The Golden Pair

[mintoots]

yea she must be getting hugs and kisses time to time in her lovers very long arms.

 

[ClevelandINTP]

Ends up like this. The percentage at the bottom expresses the total proportion of each cluster. One might ask why INTP is grouped with the rebels? Well, it's the data: the average distance to the other two is less than the fifth cluster

There's much more to it than this and quite a lot of questions it opens up. I think it has the potential to tell some compelling narratives

Added a type's average salary to the analysis taken from here:
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-personality-types-that-earn-the-most-and-least-money-2015-2

Results appear to be correlated to cluster...

The first screenshot shows average salary, and the second shows the relative distance to power. This suggests a demarcation between insiders and outsiders, and an even starker contrast to power

Sociological implications are many and possibly large

 

[ClevelandINTP]

Observations are compelling in my judgement

 

[ClevelandINTP]

MBTI pwned

 

[ClevelandINTP]

Another hammer...

Added the infamous MBTI IQ internet results to the analysis, and it's correlated to cluster as well, and nearly an inverse to income

Power doesn't have the lowest IQ though--their conformist support does

Lost em

 

[ClevelandINTP]

LOL then re-group clusters by outsiders, power and their support and the glue--nearly 33/33/33 split

Guess they needed the numbers to sustain control

 

[philostam]

I (INTP) am in a long term relationship with INFJ. Here are my observations:

I know INTP and INFJ are supposed to be mind-mates and intellectual twins, but me and my INFJ are more compatible emotionally than intelectually. When it comes to laughing, fooling around, banter, cuddling...we are extremely compatible. I would give it 10/10.

Intellectually, a bit less. While I'm amazed at her people skills and insights (doesn't harm that she is training for psychotherapist), we have a bit different life philosophy. For me, focusing on personal growth, career, finance is my primary objective. She is much more interested in politics, income inequality, and more broad-topics. Basically, she cares for the world and weak more than me. Also, for my taste she is too careless with money (likes to buy gifts even for her most distant friends) and sucks at time managment, prioritozing tasks and doing pro-cons lists.

When we debate and reach an impasse, I am much more likely to back down and change my opinion, She is stubburn to a fault. Basically, her Ti child is a bit too confident and cocky for me.

I do like her emotional stability and calmness, though. But that's not so much about her type. She is very low in neuroticism. Basically, I'm higher in conscientiousness and lower in agreebleness, but she is lower in neuroticism (although she can explode with anger on occasion). I'd say she is more prone to anger, but I am more prone to withdraw and pessimism.

In my experience, NTP + NTJ are a better match intellectually. But terrible emotionally. There's always this heaviness when dealing with NTJ, especially INTJ.

 

[ClevelandINTP]

I (INTP) am in a long term relationship with INFJ. Here are my observations:

I know INTP and INFJ are supposed to be mind-mates and intellectual twins, but me and my INFJ are more compatible emotionally than intelectually. When it comes to laughing, fooling around, banter, cuddling...we are extremely compatible. I would give it 10/10.

Intellectually, a bit less. While I'm amazed at her people skills and insights (doesn't harm that she is training for psychotherapist), we have a bit different life philosophy. For me, focusing on personal growth, career, finance is my primary objective. She is much more interested in politics, income inequality, and more broad-topics. Basically, she cares for the world and weak more than me. Also, for my taste she is too careless with money (likes to buy gifts even for her most distant friends) and sucks at time managment, prioritozing tasks and doing pro-cons lists.

When we debate and reach an impasse, I am much more likely to back down and change my opinion, She is stubburn to a fault. Basically, her Ti child is a bit too confident and cocky for me.

I do like her emotional stability and calmness, though. But that's not so much about her type. She is very low in neuroticism. Basically, I'm higher in conscientiousness and lower in agreebleness, but she is lower in neuroticism (although she can explode with anger on occasion). I'd say she is more prone to anger, but I am more prone to withdraw and pessimism.

In my experience, NTP + NTJ are a better match intellectually. But terrible emotionally. There's always this heaviness when dealing with NTJ, especially INTJ.

You're right. You really won't get that intellectual jolt in debates that INTPs crave from an INFJ. Although, they do it better than most feelers

ENFPs are probably the best feeler type to have those debates with because Ne x Ne can be pretty fun, and they're much more willing to humor multiple positions on a topic

You're also right about the NTP + NTJ thing--that doesn't work for my tastes. It's nice to have someone who gets how to be unemotional, but then you just end up craving feelings

I was once dating an ENFP and INTJ at the same time for a few weeks or so. That actually worked out pretty well for me, but I had to choose one at some point

Really, it puts an INTP in an odd position because we need the feeling aspect and the intellectualism. I don't think there's a type that is perfect on both ends. Best bet is INFJ or ENFP and just learn to adapt

Also, don't back down from INFJ stubborness. F that

 

[ClevelandINTP]

I think I get it now. INTPs do the cold-warm thing while INFJs do warm-cold

 

[Daustus]

I think I get it now. INTPs do the cold-warm thing while INFJs do warm-cold

Simply put I think there is some merit. Ti tertiary is very internal and can appear cold.

 

[ClevelandINTP]

I think INTP coldness can be quite a myth. I mean, Ne-Fe. Those two things are super bubbly. Possibly the most bubbly of extroverted functions

 

[Impact Character]

I think I get it now. INTPs do the cold-warm thing while INFJs do warm-cold

That's great, Cleve!

Simply put I think there is some merit. Ti tertiary is very internal and can appear cold.

I think so, too. ^^ Warm and cold are still general judgements, tho. So, yes. Can have merit!


I would say that between INTP and INFJ it depends alot on personalities as well, but generally I would say to look out for amount (especially amount of Fe, as inferior it can be easier go into overwhelm) and fields of interest (Ti), especially with either a draw towards Fe or Te fields of interests.

My lower Ti sometimes when expressed can be too passionate if something is of real interest to me. On the other hand I'm not too much into Te subjects but my SO picks those topics up naturally as well to feed into his Ti.
Ni-Ne toggling can be very fun, creating something together! And there are of course also interesting overlaps: think about an INTP programming training modules (with mature Fe), so with someone with a Fe-Ti orientation you can insert alot of UX and design (peoples' needs, psychology, behaviour) into the shared pot.

(Just to give some additional examples.)

 

[Daustus]

Fe-Ti orientation you can insert alot of UX and design

I work with an INTP currently. We're implementing an enterprise wide service desk platform. I lean on his Ti to functionally make the platform and he looks to my Fe to understand how users will experience the UX and design.

 

[ClevelandINTP]

That's great, Cleve!


I think so, too. ^^ Warm and cold are still general judgements, tho. So, yes. Can have merit!


I would say that between INTP and INFJ it depends alot on personalities as well, but generally I would say to look out for amount (especially amount of Fe, as inferior it can be easier go into overwhelm) and fields of interest (Ti), especially with either a draw towards Fe or Te fields of interests.

My lower Ti sometimes when expressed can be too passionate if something is of real interest to me. On the other hand I'm not too much into Te subjects but my SO picks those topics up naturally as well to feed into his Ti.
Ni-Ne toggling can be very fun, creating something together! And there are of course also interesting overlaps: think about an INTP programming training modules (with mature Fe), so with someone with a Fe-Ti orientation you can insert alot of UX and design (peoples' needs, psychology, behaviour) into the shared pot.

(Just to give some additional examples.)

I love design, user experience and psychology

Possibly my favorite things

 

[Impact Character]

I work with an INTP currently. We're implementing an enterprise wide service desk platform. I lean on his Ti to functionally make the platform and he looks to my Fe to understand how users will experience the UX and design.

Yes, exactly this!

I've also worked with ISTJ and ISTP programmers, and honestly.. I missed the big picture programming (structuring) that Ne brings to the table.

 

[Impact Character]

I love design, user experience and psychology

Possibly my favorite things

That's what I mean with finding overlap, when there is mature or interetest in inferior Fe is involved.

My SO likes it too but not exactly "like" me. It's the same interchange what @Daustus described above. It's a shared interest that's engaged with from two different sides of the same spectrum, each still with a toe dipped into the other side if you know what I mean.

 

[ClevelandINTP]

Even though I can program—I hate it. Like I get very little joy out of it other than the comfort and confidence of knowing how things work behind the scenes which actually adds a bit of knowledge. It’s just too robotic for me to enjoy. I’m quite good at understanding design and experience and like how I can improve things for people that way and find out how they tick. I think it’s Fe needing to find a way to whole itself

 

[Impact Character]

Even though I can program—I hate it. Like I get very little joy out of it other than the comfort and confidence of knowing how things work behind the scenes which actually adds a bit of knowledge. It’s just too robotic for me to enjoy. I’m quite good at understanding design and experience and like how I can improve things for people that way and find out how they tick. I think it’s Fe needing to find a way to whole itself

I think so too.

My SO loves to create a program in his head (or on paper), whereas the actual typing out can be a pain in the ass sometimes. Although I would say he is very neat, that Si makes him averse spaghetti code and unsolid commenting for future use and understanding. Plus learning programs serve other people to grow after all.

But btw not every INTP has to be into programming!

 

[ClevelandINTP]

But btw not every INTP has to be into programming!

I agree, but what happens in my experience is either people think that’s “who we are” and or they don’t like doing it (it’s not for everyone) so the INTP “steps up” to do it because someone has to; thus, reinforcing everything

Programming is truly thankless grunt work

It takes too much precision, creativity and problem solving for most people to do well

Even people you think are good at it, when you actually read their code, it’s like what the actual fuck this is such slop

 

[Daustus]

I missed the big picture programming (structuring) that Ne brings to the table.

YES! I simply do not have that skill set naturally. I miss it when it's not available.

Even people you think are good at it, when you actually read their code, it’s like what the actually fuck this is such slop

LMAO....yeah. Its best to leave me out of reviewing the code.