IQ & Type

I tested 142 at age 11. This was a genuine book test. Then in 8th grade I had a dream it dropped 11 points so I really don't want to take it again XD

I don't zone out terribly when I read these posts, but often times I skim or skip lengthy ones. Suspense, or books that only reveal things at the end often bother me so much that I have to focus. The actual message or plot behind these books doesn't interest me alot, though.
 
A point of unsolicited advice for people in this thread: don't ever give out your IQ on the internet. It's never a good idea.

If it's low, then you're inviting bigoted individuals to be dismissive of you.

If it's high, then you're inviting people to consider you an arrogant snob.

If you want to show you're intelligent, then show it.



Tip 2, don't ever believe someone's IQ that they post on the internet. It's like men posting their penis sizes; far too much incentive to not be objective in measurement or reporting. :) Far too tempting for people to report the highest score they got out of a number of tests, for example.
 
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Rudy said:
A point of unsolicited advice for people in this thread: don't ever give out your IQ on the internet. It's never a good idea.

If it's low, then you're inviting bigoted individuals to be dismissive of you.

If it's high, then you're inviting people to consider you an arrogant snob.

If you want to show you're intelligent, then show it.



Tip 2, don't ever believe someone's IQ that they post on the internet. It's like men posting their penis sizes; far too much incentive to not be objective in measurement or reporting. :) Far too tempting for people to report the highest score they got out of a number of tests, for example.
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You have a point, but hopefully here people will understand that it isn't to brag, and it isn't to be arrogant. We are exploring ideas and knowledge, not judging each other. Every IQ test is different so different results will happen, it doesn't mean you are or aren't intelligent given a certain score.
 
Goatman455 said:
You have a point, but hopefully here people will understand that it isn't to brag, and it isn't to be arrogant. We are exploring ideas and knowledge, not judging each other. Every IQ test is different so different results will happen, it doesn't mean you are or aren't intelligent given a certain score.
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Your last sentence is most definitely true. For the former, though, I would argue that exploring ideas and knowledge, in this case, is not helped in any way by soliciting, or offering, IQ scores, and that such exploration may actually be hindered.
 
IQ tests really don't mean a thing to me so I guess I just don't think twice about giving mine out or really asking somebody about theirs. I really don't believe you can put a number to overall intelligence. So it wasn't to brag, it was just to give an example of around how high I was talking. I really am sorry if that made anybody feel uncomfortable.
 
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I really am sorry if that made anybody feel uncomfortable.
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I wasn't trying to chastise people, and I doubt you made anyone feel that uncomfortable, it's just... I think the negatives outway any potential benefits of sharing IQ scores. That's all I was trying to say.
 
Rudy said:
Your last sentence is most definitely true. For the former, though, I would argue that exploring ideas and knowledge, in this case, is not helped in any way by soliciting, or offering, IQ scores, and that such exploration may actually be hindered.
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I think it CAN hinder it, but that doesn't mean the potential isn't higher for knowledge exploration if this topic is properly explored. To shut off any avenue will not lead to further understanding, we must explore those avenues properly. I think you are right at the core, if a bit extreme, in your point.
 
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Rudy said:
If it's high, then you're inviting people to consider you an arrogant snob.
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There are many individuals that consider my an arrogant snob, something to which I've completely aware of despite the fact that I've never shoved my interest in intellectual pursuits down their throats, or judged them based on their level of cognitive ability. I don't judge people based on their IQ, but if they judge me based on mine... well, they've just proven the point to me.

tl;dr version: If someone judges me on my intelligence, they've just proven to me that... well... they are the stupider person.

Rudy said:
If you want to show you're intelligent, then show it.
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Well, the subject is about IQ, so it stands to reason to post it. The only people who I'm going to take seriously are those who have received direct study from professional doctors though; a quiz in a book or online test have about as much merit as the mutterings of a brain-dead goldfish.

But yes, of course, you have to prove it through your own words and actions. The problem is that intelligence is not a quantifiably measurable concept; there are so many facets to intelligence that it manifests in many different ways and forms; mathematics, solving abstract concepts, organisation, memory, etc, etc. One person will be very gifted at maths, another at English, but they might be terrible at socialising with people or understanding very basic concepts in some other areas.

IQ is the measure of this. People just assume its a direct numerical calculation of your intelligence because... well... it has the word intelligence in its name.

Rudy said:
It's like men posting their penis sizes; far too much incentive to not be objective in measurement or reporting. :) Far too tempting for people to report the highest score they got out of a number of tests, for example.
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I've only done one test in my life, and it was done at a recent adult age. 135 was the figure I was given, and I know I am an individual stimulated almost entirely by intellectual absorption... so that's good enough for me.

Since you mentioned penises, you know what they say... "It's not the size that counts, it's what you do with it!." Being able to speak 5 languages when you're 4 years of age does not make you a better human being, nor do you need a 200 IQ to help the world... or even to understand how to.
 
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Goatman455 said:
I think it CAN hinder it, but that doesn't mean the potential isn't higher for knowledge exploration if this topic is properly explored. To shut off any avenue will not lead to further understanding, we must explore those avenues properly. I think you are right if a bit extreme in your point.
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Maybe I was a bit extreme. If so, I apologize. I just cannot see how the IQ scores of the people involved in a discussion on IQ are helpful in discussing the phenomenon as a whole.

Just as if, if we were discussing whether the MBTI system as a whole was well grounded in science or evidence, the actual types of the people involved in the discussion would be irrelevant to the topic, so there would be no need for everyone to announce their type before giving their opinion (if the types weren't displayed on the left side anyway.)
 
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Rudy said:
I wasn't trying to chastise people, and I doubt you made anyone feel that uncomfortable, it's just... I think the negatives outway any potential benefits of sharing IQ scores. That's all I was trying to say.
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Yeah I can see what you mean. I wasn't really sure whether I needed to apologise or not so I did. :D

If there's one thing I'll say about IQ in relation to personality though, it's that a lot of it has to do with interests and thought patterns. If I find somebody with a very high IQ I'll think well that person must have enjoyed learning academics, which is basically what IQ is a measurement of, and obviously had a natural knack for it as well. People with an average IQ probably will be generally more interested in socializing and other things and won't particularly have an interest in academics, it doesn't really mean they don't have the potential to achieve higher and they most likely achieve higher in other fields. People generally know about what they're interested in unless it's forced down their throats of which a lot will come out the other end... and IQ in a way is a measurement of roughly how much goes out the other end as well. And how much stays in people's minds has a lot to do with how much the school system favours their learning style and thought processes. Overall I think IQ is an indication of only one side of intelligence.
 
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Rudy said:
Maybe I was a bit extreme. If so, I apologize. I just cannot see how the IQ scores of the people involved in a discussion on IQ are helpful in discussing the phenomenon as a whole.

Just as if, if we were discussing whether the MBTI system as a whole was well grounded in science or evidence, the actual types of the people involved in the discussion would be irrelevant to the topic, so there would be no need for everyone to announce their type before giving their opinion (if the types weren't displayed on the left side anyway.)
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I think you are right that most of the time it gets in the way of our understanding, especially when we focus on those details and miss the big picture, or become too confined within what our type or IQ means and miss the true nature of the discussion. In this situation though, I don't think the OP meant or caused any harm.
 
It has been scientifically proven that ISFP = genius.
 
Rudy said:
Tip 2, don't ever believe someone's IQ that they post on the internet. It's like men posting their penis sizes; far too much incentive to not be objective in measurement or reporting. :) Far too tempting for people to report the highest score they got out of a number of tests, for example.
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If someone posts an IQ of over 160, then I automatically consider them a liar.
 
IQ isn't the best test in the world, imo. If it does correlate with type, it's because that type may be more apt at the reasoning skills the test measures. It fails to measure a great many different types of intelligence. Really, intelligence transcends type.

Furthermore, I don't really trust tests to begin with. The MBTI test isn't really that accurate; IQ tests aren't either. They give you a ballpark figure, at best. I've tried many different types of internet tests (because that's all I have available), and I always come up somewhere between the 135-160 range, but that's quite a range. It just doesn't much impress me.
 
Here's the question I always ask when IQ tests come into discussions: Why is it important to know someone's IQ, and why is it relevant to understand it? If someone told you you tested with an IQ of a turnip in grade school and they made you feel stupid, then from that moment on you've believed a lie about yourself and you will think yourself stupid.

There are plenty of reports of children who were irrevocably scarred throughout their educational careers because someone gave them a label they were supposed to live up to. Whether it's someone telling them "you're smart, so you should be able to do this" or "you're dumb so you can't do this" - both statements do equal harm.

Things IQ tests do *not* consider:
1. Environment (have you misunderstood the question because you have nothing like it in your environment and therefore no point of reference?)
2. Reading/learning disabilities (if you read slower, does that mean you're dumb? No! It just means you read slower!)
3. People who've been training early (parents can teach their kids to read at early ages, and they can teach their children to understand "higher" cognitive abilities past their ages; does this mean the child is actually more gifted or more intelligent, or has the child just had a head start before his or her peers?)
4. School districts/private schools/tutors (if you have more money and you can give your child access to more programs, wouldn't your child have more opportunities to learn over public school children who must simply learn what they're told?)

And so on, so forth.

IQ tests are biased. They are making assumptions. The only way they can be unbiased is if every child has the SAME upbringing, the SAME teachings, the SAME opportunities for growth, and so on. What frustrates me is, I see a lot of inner city children (or hear about it, rather) who test "low" on IQ tests. But if you put them in a different environment where they're nurtured and given opportunities to learn at their level, they will excel. And some of those so called "near mentally retarded" children end up with average or sometimes even above average IQs.

IQ is not a measure of intelligence; it is simply one test that measures certain things. We should never use such tests to assume things about others.

/rant.
 
Lol! He seems like an ENTP to me, especially in the other parts: Straightforward, no-nonsense, wickedly sarcastic/funny guy who tells it like it is. Shamelessly.
 
I haven't taken an IQ test in a long time. I don't know what it is, and I don't really care, either.

I will say it was high enough for Duke University to take interest in me when I was around 8, though. My mom didn't sign me up for whatever program they were soliciting because she didn't feel like driving to Durham. Thanks, mom.

(sike Durham is a shitty place. Don't ever go there)

/not drunk

edit: To elaborate, I think it's kind of silly to assign a definitive number to a somewhat ambiguous concept. "My IQ is 10 points higher than yours" does not equate to "I am 10 points smarter than you." Knowledge is arbitrary in that there are different bases of knowledge, and someone who is smart in one field would be lost in another. For example, my grasp of English (since, you know, is my native language) is pretty good, and I probably would've kicked ass in Spanish if I would've kept with it. On the other hand, my math skills suck. I know of math teachers that would be terrible trying to learn another language, while I would be terrible at trying to learn trigonometry. From what I've seen, people with extremely high IQs also tend to be pretty bad with their social skills, as well. I work with someone whose IQ is allegedly above 150, and he's not great with empathy or caring for others. Same with another guy I work with. He's probably smarter than I am, but he's a total prick and has no idea how to talk to people.

I'm good with wherever I'm at on the scale.
 
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