Irrelevance of liberal, socialist and communist ideals in the modern world.

[Eventhorizon]

So this was unexpected. Bill O'REILLY. Just came out as a liberal.



There is great confusion all over the land about rights and what the government really owes us. Essentially, there are three major expectations that the government should meet under the constitutional banner of pursuit of happiness.


Number one, security. We are entitled to have an effective defense against people who would kill us. But today, our security is wobbling because of hackers and leakers, and the federal government does not seem to be able to stop the espionage.

While many Americans don't pay attention, this issue, that we cannot guard our defense secrets or even protect the president of the United States when he talks to a foreign leader, is something that America has never seen before.

Simply put the high-tech world is creating threats to our security that are almost out of control.

This is, perhaps, the most important issue the federal government faces right now. But close to that is health care.

Americans are entitled to an affordable medical system that can alleviate their suffering. All of us are going to get sick, and we will need help. But right now, that help is confusing, to say the least.


It is pointless for “The Factor” or anyone else to debate ObamaCare and what might replace it until a new specific proposal is put forth. When details are decided and the bill is ready to be considered, we'll be all over it.

The guiding principles of health care should be that it is financially reasonable, affordable, but you have direct access to the doctors you want, and that you are not bogged down in a chaotic system of red tape and delays. So Congress has a lot of work to do, to put a fair health care system in place.

Finally, all American adults should have fair access to the free marketplace. By that I mean, you can't be denied a job because of your color, your race, or anything else.

Also, the government needs to put sensible guidelines in place that protect workers from exploitation. With many unions now politically corrupted, the feds and the states have much more responsibility to working Americans.

That's it. That is what we are owed.

The Bernie Sanders philosophy that everybody should be guaranteed a job and a set wage and shepherded through life is not what America is all about.

We compete here but in some cases, some Americans are not treated fairly in the marketplace. Best example, best example, children from families who don't really care about them. These kids are often thrown into awful schools and wash out early without much of an education. They have little chance to succeed economically in this country.

For far too long, Americans looked away from that reality. Every American child deserves a quality education, and right now, the system is not providing that for millions of kids. That must change.

Adapted from Bill O'Reilly's March 9 "Talking Points Memo"

 

[Gust]

So this was unexpected. Bill O'REILLY. Just came out as a liberal.



There is great confusion all over the land about rights and what the government really owes us. Essentially, there are three major expectations that the government should meet under the constitutional banner of pursuit of happiness.


Number one, security. We are entitled to have an effective defense against people who would kill us. But today, our security is wobbling because of hackers and leakers, and the federal government does not seem to be able to stop the espionage.

While many Americans don't pay attention, this issue, that we cannot guard our defense secrets or even protect the president of the United States when he talks to a foreign leader, is something that America has never seen before.

Simply put the high-tech world is creating threats to our security that are almost out of control.

This is, perhaps, the most important issue the federal government faces right now. But close to that is health care.

Americans are entitled to an affordable medical system that can alleviate their suffering. All of us are going to get sick, and we will need help. But right now, that help is confusing, to say the least.


It is pointless for “The Factor” or anyone else to debate ObamaCare and what might replace it until a new specific proposal is put forth. When details are decided and the bill is ready to be considered, we'll be all over it.

The guiding principles of health care should be that it is financially reasonable, affordable, but you have direct access to the doctors you want, and that you are not bogged down in a chaotic system of red tape and delays. So Congress has a lot of work to do, to put a fair health care system in place.

Finally, all American adults should have fair access to the free marketplace. By that I mean, you can't be denied a job because of your color, your race, or anything else.

Also, the government needs to put sensible guidelines in place that protect workers from exploitation. With many unions now politically corrupted, the feds and the states have much more responsibility to working Americans.

That's it. That is what we are owed.

The Bernie Sanders philosophy that everybody should be guaranteed a job and a set wage and shepherded through life is not what America is all about.

We compete here but in some cases, some Americans are not treated fairly in the marketplace. Best example, best example, children from families who don't really care about them. These kids are often thrown into awful schools and wash out early without much of an education. They have little chance to succeed economically in this country.

For far too long, Americans looked away from that reality. Every American child deserves a quality education, and right now, the system is not providing that for millions of kids. That must change.

Adapted from Bill O'Reilly's March 9 "Talking Points Memo"

Sounds like he "came out" as a "liberal" for money. Much like how many who are in Hollywood are adamant leftists, but again, that's likely only because money is involved.

 

[Eventhorizon]

The Political Insider
Rusty | Featured Contributor | May 4, 2016 10:25AM



In 2005, Michael Savage famously wrote a book titled, Liberalism is a Mental Disorder, the subject of which is self-explanatory. Additionally, Dr. Lyle Rossiter, a board-certified clinical psychologist, wrote a book in which he diagnosed the ideology of the left as a tangible mental illness. Perhaps though, liberalism is not so much a novel mental disorder, but a more cleverly disguised form of illness already widely studied since the late ‘60s – narcissistic personality disorder (NPD).

Remember – There is an argument to be made that President Obama himself is a narcissistic sociopath.


The Mayo Clinic defines NPD as “a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration.” This seems in tune with the fact that liberals – along with their degenerate offspring asking for “safe spaces” and hiding from chalk – believe their policies and platforms fall in the majority – or the 99% if you will – despite being outnumbered by conservatives in 47 of 50 states.




There are other symptoms that define NPD and the left alike…

Expecting constant praise and admiration

This is a staple of college liberals and their constant ‘look at me’ attitude. The need to feed their pride consumes them, fueling a self-importance that must continue to grow through perpetual media coverage. Protesting sidewalk chalk, protesting topless sunbathing, protesting the right to have a ‘safe space,’ protesting the First Amendment, etc. And all the while they look for support for their protests, they look for praise, they look for admiration – which the media usually obliges.



As this meme demonstrates, what earned praise back in 1944 and what earns praise today is vastly different:

Being jealous of others

The very premise on which the liberal platform of wealth redistribution and social justice are based, is jealousy. They want what others have, and they want it without cost to themselves, either monetarily or based on time. They are envious of those with wealth, health insurance, homes, etc. It is a common attribute upon which all liberal protesters rally around.




Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans

Is there anything that personified this more than the Obamacare fight? An Obama legacy measure that was opposed by a wide margin, 54-41 percent. Yet it was still rammed down the collective throats of the American people. Why? Because liberals honestly thought that once the plebeians had a chance to see their ideas, they would go along with it. Proof of this materialized when Nancy Pelosi uttered these famous words: “… We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.”

Setting unrealistic goals

Those crazy college kids we mentioned earlier at one point or another have given us a wide-ranging and varied list of humorous demands that include these deep-seated liberal fantasies.

• Guaranteed “living wage” income regardless of employment
• Free college education
• Open borders migration
• Immediate, across-the-board debt forgiveness for all

The liberal politician’s equivalent of this list would be:

• Extending unemployment benefits ad nauseam, and of course the Fight For $15
• Free college education
• Amnesty for illegal immigrants (DREAM Act and executive amnesty)
• Student loan forgiveness

You’ll notice these are all current platforms with our sitting President, or those on the Democrat side looking to succeed him.


A sense of entitlement

The liberal movement amounts to nothing more than making excuses to legitimize a platform of laziness and entitlements. We’ve seen these in campus protests, minimum wage protests, anti-Wall Street, anti-capitalism protests, and advocates of perpetual welfare. Their solution to counter corporate greed is to steal from those that have worked hard to attain their level of wealth, and give to those who refuse to reach such a work ethic. ‘Tax the Rich’ anyone? Money for nothing, or entitlement, seems to be a birthright for the left.



Trouble keeping healthy relationships

Too easy. Remember the Occupy movement, a bunch of jobless liberals camping out in government-owned parks for weeks? Does this sound like a group of individuals with relationship issues?

• A 24-year-old convicted sex offender involved with a 14-year-old at Occupy Dallas.
• Assaults and instances of groping in New York’s Zuccotti Park.
• ‘Women Only‘ sleeping quarters had to be erected at the New York encampment.
• A permit was yanked in Madison, Wisconsin, due to public indecency.
• A Los Angeles protester arrested for the same reason … in front of children.

Summary

All of these symptoms seem to define an individual who is unable to express their frustration in a rational manner – hence the campus protests. The Mayo Clinic diagnosis seems to speak to liberals directly:

“In order to make yourself feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and efforts to belittle the other person to make yourself appear better.”

That’s practically a tailor-made diagnosis for Trump protesters these days.

In the end, Savage was right. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

 

[Eventhorizon]

This is the liberal way. Attack, injure or kill those that have a different view point than your own.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/04/2...keleys-proposal-to-reschedule-her-speech.html

 

[Skarekrow]

[QUOTE="Eventhorizon, post: 986617, member: 8603”]

A sense of entitlement

The liberal movement amounts to nothing more than making excuses to legitimize a platform of laziness and entitlements. We’ve seen these in campus protests, minimum wage protests, anti-Wall Street, anti-capitalism protests, and advocates of perpetual welfare. Their solution to counter corporate greed is to steal from those that have worked hard to attain their level of wealth, and give to those who refuse to reach such a work ethic. ‘Tax the Rich’ anyone? Money for nothing, or entitlement, seems to be a birthright for the left.[/QUOTE]

Who here has the sense of entitlement?
Those who are rich as fuck, but feel they don’t need to contribute to our society?
Or those who are proud Americans, but haven’t bothered to donate time/money of their own and back up their sense of Patriotism.

Trump doesn’t want his taxes shown because he knows that he either paid very little, or there are some damaging ties, all President’s are under audit automatically when you run...so this excuse is lame.
The “Healthcare” plan gives tax breaks to Trump and friends...he would get $2mill personally, while millions lose coverage.
His so-called “budget” is even more ridiculous...funding for our libraries, meals on wheels, Medicaid, funding for schools, funding for the arts, NASA...the list goes on and on and you can easily find it on Google.
All his policies funnel money from the poor and working class to the top percentage of our society.
If Trump wants to reconfigure our tax system - then he needs to be transparent about his own, he (and his family) is already causing huge conflicts of interest issues.
The solution is to not steal...that is correct in what you posted.
The problem is who we see as stealing and who is contributing.
How much in taxes did GE pay last year?
They got money back.
Millions.
All while posting profits in the millions to it’s shareholders.
But yep...it’s the poor kids school lunch programs that are making America poor.
Those little entitled shits actually want to eat?
To post about feeling entitled while we have an administration of Wall St. vultures and Oil Executives wanting to shred and burn the remnants of the social safety net.
You are actually fighting against a living wage?
You do realize that wages have stagnated for the past 30 years in the US right?
While everything else has gone up by hundreds of percentile points in the mean time.
Entitled my ass...people are entitled to have their tax dollars spent frugally and on worthwhile things.
They are entitled to be treated as human beings.

“Liberalism is a mental disorder.”

Once again....you offer no proof...you offer opinion with skewed factoids that are sprinkled in BS.
Facts.
Facts.
Facts and figures that can be fact-checked.
Shove your “mental disorder” where the sun don’t shine.
You have so much hate in your heart man.

 

[Eventhorizon]

Interesting perspective but of course we disagree yet again.

 

[Skarekrow]

If “Liberalism” (the definition of which I would not agree with you on) is a mental illness, then “Conservatism” is just being stupid.
(See, I can find articles too...except mine cites actual studies not just hyperbole.)

Do Racism, Conservatism, and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand?
Lower cognitive abilities predict greater prejudice through right-wing ideology.

This morning as I logged onto Facebook, I came upon this image. Having followed the Boston marathon and MIT shooting coverage initially, I lost some interest when it came down to the “hunt.”

As much as justice matters to me, so does tact and class, and the sensationalism of manhunts always leaves me uncomfortable. I also knew it would be a matter of time before the political rhetoric would change from the victims and wounded to the demographic factors of the suspects—namely race and religion.

And alas, it has.

However, what struck me most about this image posted above was the Facebook page it came from, “Too Informed to Vote Republican.”
I wondered about this, recalling an old journal article I’d come across when studying anti-Islamic attitudes post 9/11.

The paper referenced a correlation between conservatism and low intelligence.
Uncertain of its origin, I located a thought-provoking article published in one of psychology’s top journals, Psychological Science, which in essence confirms this.

Hodson and Busseri (2012) found in a correlational study that lower intelligence in childhood is predictive of greater racism in adulthood, with this effect being mediated (partially explained) through conservative ideology.

They also found poor abstract reasoning skills were related to homophobic attitudes which was mediated through authoritarianism and low levels of intergroup contact.

What this study and those before it suggest is not necessarily that all liberals are geniuses and all conservatives are ignorant.
Rather, it makes conclusions based off of averages of groups.

The idea is that for those who lack a cognitive ability to grasp complexities of our world, strict-right wing ideologies may be more appealing.
Dr. Brian Nosek explained it for the Huffington Post as follows, “ideologies get rid of the messiness and impose a simple solution. So, it may not be surprising that people with less cognitive capacity will be attracted to simplifying ideologies.”

For an excellent continuation of this discussion and past studies, please see this article from LiveScience.

Further, studies have indicated an automatic association between aggression, America, and the news.
A study conducted by researchers at Cornell and The Hebrew University (Ferguson & Hassin, 2007) indicated, “American news watchers who were subtly or nonconsciously primed with American cues exhibited greater accessibility of aggression and war constructs in memory, judged an ambiguously aggressive person in a more aggressive and negative manner, and acted in a relatively more aggressive manner toward an experimenter following a mild provocation, compared with news watchers who were not primed” (p. 1642).

American “cues” refers to factors such as images of the American flag or words such as “patriot.”
Interestingly, this study showed this effect to be independent of political affiliation, but suggested a disturbing notion that America is implicitly associated with aggression for news watchers.

Taken together, what do these studies suggest?
Excessive exposure to news coverage could be toxic as is avoidance of open-minded attitudes and ideals.

Perhaps turn off the television and pick up a book?
Ideally one that exposes you to differing worldviews.

*Please note comments that are offensive, defamatory, discriminatory, racist, sexist, homophobic, or otherwise inappropriate will be automatically removed by the author’s discretion.

References

Furguson, M.J. & Hassin, R.R. (2007). On the automatic association between American and aggression for news watchers. Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, 33,1632-1647.

Hodson, G. & Busseri, M.A. (2012). Bright minds and dark attitudes: Lower cognitive ability predicts greater prejudice through right-wing ideology and low intergroup contact. Psychological Science, 23, 187-195.

 

[Eventhorizon]

If “Liberalism” (the definition of which I would not agree with you on) is a mental illness, then “Conservatism” is just being stupid.
(See, I can find articles too...except mine cites actual studies not just hyperbole.)

Do Racism, Conservatism, and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand?
Lower cognitive abilities predict greater prejudice through right-wing ideology.

This morning as I logged onto Facebook, I came upon this image. Having followed the Boston marathon and MIT shooting coverage initially, I lost some interest when it came down to the “hunt.”

As much as justice matters to me, so does tact and class, and the sensationalism of manhunts always leaves me uncomfortable. I also knew it would be a matter of time before the political rhetoric would change from the victims and wounded to the demographic factors of the suspects—namely race and religion.

And alas, it has.

However, what struck me most about this image posted above was the Facebook page it came from, “Too Informed to Vote Republican.”
I wondered about this, recalling an old journal article I’d come across when studying anti-Islamic attitudes post 9/11.

The paper referenced a correlation between conservatism and low intelligence.
Uncertain of its origin, I located a thought-provoking article published in one of psychology’s top journals, Psychological Science, which in essence confirms this.

Hodson and Busseri (2012) found in a correlational study that lower intelligence in childhood is predictive of greater racism in adulthood, with this effect being mediated (partially explained) through conservative ideology.

They also found poor abstract reasoning skills were related to homophobic attitudes which was mediated through authoritarianism and low levels of intergroup contact.

What this study and those before it suggest is not necessarily that all liberals are geniuses and all conservatives are ignorant.
Rather, it makes conclusions based off of averages of groups.

The idea is that for those who lack a cognitive ability to grasp complexities of our world, strict-right wing ideologies may be more appealing.
Dr. Brian Nosek explained it for the Huffington Post as follows, “ideologies get rid of the messiness and impose a simple solution. So, it may not be surprising that people with less cognitive capacity will be attracted to simplifying ideologies.”

For an excellent continuation of this discussion and past studies, please see this article from LiveScience.

Further, studies have indicated an automatic association between aggression, America, and the news.
A study conducted by researchers at Cornell and The Hebrew University (Ferguson & Hassin, 2007) indicated, “American news watchers who were subtly or nonconsciously primed with American cues exhibited greater accessibility of aggression and war constructs in memory, judged an ambiguously aggressive person in a more aggressive and negative manner, and acted in a relatively more aggressive manner toward an experimenter following a mild provocation, compared with news watchers who were not primed” (p. 1642).

American “cues” refers to factors such as images of the American flag or words such as “patriot.”
Interestingly, this study showed this effect to be independent of political affiliation, but suggested a disturbing notion that America is implicitly associated with aggression for news watchers.

Taken together, what do these studies suggest?
Excessive exposure to news coverage could be toxic as is avoidance of open-minded attitudes and ideals.

Perhaps turn off the television and pick up a book?
Ideally one that exposes you to differing worldviews.

*Please note comments that are offensive, defamatory, discriminatory, racist, sexist, homophobic, or otherwise inappropriate will be automatically removed by the author’s discretion.

References

Furguson, M.J. & Hassin, R.R. (2007). On the automatic association between American and aggression for news watchers. Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, 33,1632-1647.

Hodson, G. & Busseri, M.A. (2012). Bright minds and dark attitudes: Lower cognitive ability predicts greater prejudice through right-wing ideology and low intergroup contact. Psychological Science, 23, 187-195.

The majority of what you post (perhaps all because I stopped reading the junk you post long ago) does not cite anything other than someone's agenda.
Tell yourself what you want to believe and then believe it. Business as usual for you.

 

[Skarekrow]

The majority of what you post (perhaps all because I stopped reading the junk you post long ago) does not cite anything other than someone's agenda.
Tell yourself what you want to believe and then believe it. Business as usual for you.

So dense!
That was the purpose of posting that dude...hahahaha.
It was a demonstration of how oxymoronic this thread is.
And it cites fucking Psychology journals and actual scientifically run studies to boot, so maybe you missed that...or just chose to ignore what doesn't fit your predetermined parameters of worthiness.
Lol
(Maybe if you read some of the "junk" I post you won't look so uninformed - which is what you are implying I am by saying that...well then suit yourself...best of luck with your ultimate plan which is totally sane and sensible of fighting and killing all the liberals in the upcoming US civil war, then surviving as some sort or loner Road Warrior badass before you die and go to war against "God" himself, him being the cause of your shitty life...totally sane.)

 

[Littlelissa]

Here's a whole chapter on the Psychology of prejudice, if anyone's interested.

https://learn2.open.ac.uk/pluginfile.php/1720414/mod_resource/content/1/bk1_ch4.pdf

It talks about Social Identity Theory with in-group bias and out group discrimination. Right-wing Authoritarianism and a propensity for rigid thinking and less creative solutions to problem solving,- and Authoritarianism as a result of upbringing and Psychopathology.

 

[Billy]

Shouldn't even use "liberal" its an insult to classical liberals and libertarian. Just say cultural Marxist, that's more accurate.

 

[Eventhorizon]

@Skarekrow
I feel compelled to lost post this here because you feel compelled to confront me on items that I post. Which I should state I do not mind in itself. Others do this and provide information that is at least worth digesting. However you have proven that you do not read at least some, perhaps most of the material you post. I simply will not spend time on it.
Now, this doesn't mean I think you are a bad person. You have your life and I honestly hope you find happiness...just not at the expense of others to include myself.
I'm simply going to ask you consider that we will never see the others point of view. There's no need to attack me personally, it's becoming ...tiresome.

 

[Littlelissa]

I don't think there's much chance of either of you ever agreeing on anything.

I'm not taking sides here, but do you think it's possible to write a post without reading it? Even if it was copied, you'd probably have to read it to copy the right bit of it?

There's no referee here, but if there were I imaging they'd be calling you into opposite corners and calling for time out...

Lol...not much chance of that though,

OK, on your marks, get set, go! ............

Sorry, I'm not meaning to be offensive. just having a little giggle here.

 

[Eventhorizon]

I don't think there's much chance of either of you ever agreeing on anything.

I'm not taking sides here, but do you think it's possible to write a post without reading it? Even if it was copied, you'd probably have to read it to copy the right bit of it?

There's no referee here, but if there were I imaging they'd be calling you into opposite corners and calling for time out...

Lol...not much chance of that though,

OK, on your marks, get set, go! ............

Sorry, I'm not meaning to be offensive. just having a little giggle here.

@Skarekrow posts massive amount of cut and paste. Some of those things I used to read until I realized it was highly unlikely he was reading them himself. Like throwing darts in the dark hoping to strike a target. One post pretty much proved this and it was at that time I realized no amount of reason prevailed in his arguments. I felt no need to prove it or call him our on the forum over it. Just an honest statement was all that was needed in mo.
Thanks for your input though.

 

[Stu]

As usually the thread title is so slanted that anyone stopping by to read will be expecting a mud slinging fest. That said, so much of what conservatives think of progressivism has been smeared by the equating of liberalism with tyranny. For those interested in progressive ideas and movements I suggest listening to an episode of the Partially Examined Life. The one on Richard Rorty's "Achieving our Country"


here is a free PDF of the first chapter. http://pages.uoregon.edu/koopman/courses_readings/rorty/rorty_achieving_country_ch1.pdf

 

[Skarekrow]

@Skarekrow
I feel compelled to lost post this here because you feel compelled to confront me on items that I post. Which I should state I do not mind in itself. Others do this and provide information that is at least worth digesting. However you have proven that you do not read at least some, perhaps most of the material you post. I simply will not spend time on it.
Now, this doesn't mean I think you are a bad person. You have your life and I honestly hope you find happiness...just not at the expense of others to include myself.
I'm simply going to ask you consider that we will never see the others point of view. There's no need to attack me personally, it's becoming ...tiresome.

@Skarekrow posts massive amount of cut and paste. Some of those things I used to read until I realized it was highly unlikely he was reading them himself. Like throwing darts in the dark hoping to strike a target. One post pretty much proved this and it was at that time I realized no amount of reason prevailed in his arguments. I felt no need to prove it or call him our on the forum over it. Just an honest statement was all that was needed in mo.
Thanks for your input though.

I read everything I post.
You show just how biased you are by trying to discount my own knowledge.
We don’t need to make this into who is smarter than whom...I’m sure you are brimming with so much information and knowledge that I could never know, grasp, or understand.
Also, you don’t have to respond to what I write...when I call you out, it’s because you are spreading misinformation or discounting actual facts based in reality that people have posted links and verifiable means to fact-check them.
You obviously think you’re so open-minded and so far above other people’s intelligence levels...especially mine.
You feel compelled to discount any links, stories, facts, or otherwise that challenges your perspective, it’s choosing to be purposefully ignorant due to your dislike of me....and if it's opinion I post - I say so btw.

Regarding my “massive amounts of cut and paste”, just because you are a slow reader or your reading comprehension isn’t that great doesn’t mean that I don’t read every single word myself...and your underhanded insults are exactly why we won’t agree on anything.
It’s because you are arrogant...and sure, I am too....we can all be...but “like throwing darts in the dark and hoping to strike a target.” is a lame aphorism which is meant to be insulting to me.
Please...show me this “one post” that was the deciding factor in your thorough and ultimate judgement of me and my cognitive skills/knowledge?
And your "I felt no need to prove it or call him our on the forum over it. “ is a cop-out.
Call me out.
If you are so sure of it and just how much more above me you really are then do it.

You know why you don’t...(or maybe you will now that I ask you to step up)...is because you think you have it all figured out already.
Any information that I present is discounted by you....so put up or shut up....but don’t sit there on your high horse throwing personal judgements and attacks at me - prove me wrong...that’s all I ever asked.
Show the proof.
Once again...the above listed information is ignored and discounted and then you personally attack when you are stuck.
All I ever asked for was links and proof showing me that I am wrong.

I have said many times, if you, or anyone else, can show me proof and facts that blow my information out of the water, or just prove it to be untrue - then I will readily admit it and change what I believe to be true...because that should not be a static part of our lives an minds...we should always be in search of the ultimate truth.
So enough trying to make me sound like I’m an idiot...you might think so, but I’m not...and the more you infer it instead of addressing that facts of the matter that you disagree with or know to be false - the more you look like the idiot.
I don’t think that either one of us is stupid @Eventhorizon .
Don’t infer that I am....I won’t infer that you are...I think that is quite fair.
Let’s not involve each other personally when we are talking about politics....but look at the title of the thread man?
So prove it...otherwise it’s just hyperbole and opinion and empty talk.
Proof.
I ask for proof and I get called “stupid" in so many words.
Check your arrogance...calling names and making personal attacks is the last resort of a failed debate.

I posted the above article (which I actually read OMG!) to show you that both sides have stories, studies, links, etc. that are leaning or completely spun around depending on what you are trying to say.
You called all liberals “mentally ill” - so I posted an article showing that “conservatives” have lower IQs....aka - it can work both ways.
By discounting the information presented to you that seems to cause cognitive dissonance in your mind due to your personal distaste for me or other “liberally” leaning forum members is to just reinforce any kind of bubble that may skew ones viewpoint.
And the title of the thread is insulting - as I’m sure you meant it to be.
As well as insulting, it has already shown your predisposed and rigid mindset against anyone with proof otherwise.

You start a thread with such a title and then get upset when people challenge your insulting words.
Again and again, I ask you for proof and verifiable facts and links....you never supply them.
You supply more barely concealed insults and ignore the facts altogether.
Proof.
Come on.
Proof.
Not insults.
Proof.
Show me how I’m wrong and I have already said I would gladly change my stance on whatever is in question.

 

[Eventhorizon]

@Skarekrow
No.
No I will not show you the post you made of which I spoke. You know exactly which one I am talking about or...you dont because you do not read everything you post. It's blatantly obvious when its read though.
You keep saying you prove things. No, you post things. You post things that may or may not have fact in them and say this one thing in the post is fact so all of it is. But I have already said this and still it doesn't get through.
My slow reading... hmm.. in second grade I was put into an advanced reading class rated at the 10 grade level. Probably because I liked reading. I do not have many things I can claim like that. In school I figured out how to do just enough to pass and generally got D's and sometimes C's until 11 grade when I decided to actually try. I then got As and was suspected of cheating etc... In community college I continued to get A's.
I have never called you stupid. Not once and yet like Muir you fall back on saying people call you stupid. I have not once ever called you stupid. You to this day simply remain deliberately uninformed on things you don't like and dont want to be true.

So in this last post you responded to I simply stated what we both know to be true. We Will never agree. I am secure in thinking of you as I do. All I have asked is that you stop attacking me personally. Also stop expecting me to respond to your posts in relation to what I have posted. I find no value in the information you cut and past and I don't take the time to read it anymore.
Maybe there's a discussion to be had outside of politics or the state of the world but certainly not one about it. You live to far outside of what I know as reality.

Live in happiness. Let some of these things that are beyond you go and let others worry about them. Find something you enjoy and come out of the darkness.

 

[Skarekrow]

@Skarekrow
No.
No I will not show you the post you made of which I spoke. You know exactly which one I am talking about or...you dont because you do not read everything you post. It's blatantly obvious when its read though.
You keep saying you prove things. No, you post things. You post things that may or may not have fact in them and say this one thing in the post is fact so all of it is. But I have already said this and still it doesn't get through.
My slow reading... hmm.. in second grade I was put into an advanced reading class rated at the 10 grade level. Probably because I liked reading. I do not have many things I can claim like that. In school I figured out how to do just enough to pass and generally got D's and sometimes C's until 11 grade when I decided to actually try. I then got As and was suspected of cheating etc... In community college I continued to get A's.
I have never called you stupid. Not once and yet like Muir you fall back on saying people call you stupid. I have not once ever called you stupid. You to this day simply remain deliberately uninformed on things you don't like and dont want to be true.

So in this last post you responded to I simply stated what we both know to be true. We Will never agree. I am secure in thinking of you as I do. All I have asked is that you stop attacking me personally. Also stop expecting me to respond to your posts in relation to what I have posted. I find no value in the information you cut and past and I don't take the time to read it anymore.
Maybe there's a discussion to be had outside of politics or the state of the world but certainly not one about it. You live to far outside of what I know as reality.

Live in happiness. Let some of these things that are beyond you go and let others worry about them. Find something you enjoy and come out of the darkness.

Hahahahaha!
No.
I won’t show you this mysterious post.
And here...let me show you my dick size and talk about my reading level in the second grade.
So you prove things but I just post things.
And you infer again and again that I am stupid or a the very least - ignorant ^^^ aka “deliberately uninformed”.
Eat it dude.
I didn’t attack you personally at all...and if you don’t like people being able to post on your threads then just make them blogs.
Or maybe how about you don’t title your threads to be purposefully insulting to people?
Quit saying I’m not living in reality dude...you know fuck all about me....now who is resorting to personal attacks?
Thinly veiled but glaringly obvious.
It’s so beyond me...again...thinly veiled.
Also, I live in the darkness...or my mind is trapped in the darkness of ignorance.
Just stop with the insults man...especially when you can’t even admit to them as they leave your lips.
The arrogance and dick size contest is suitable for your 2nd grade and your amazing reading abilities, give me a break.
(I’m not going to go there with you)
How about you post actual information and facts that can be checked?
How about you use facts and information to prove the point of this thread?
Also, information presented that is contrary to said point of this thread is to be expected given both the title and content.
Don’t be all butt hurt when people disagree with you and post information in return.
Step down off your soap box....see eye to eye with me...can you do that?
Got actual...”reality” stuff to go do now (I’m there right now if you can believe it!)...I’ll check back in a couple days or so.
Cya.

 

[Eventhorizon]

Hahahahaha!
No.
I won’t show you this mysterious post.
And here...let me show you my dick size and talk about my reading level in the second grade.
So you prove things but I just post things.
And you infer again and again that I am stupid or a the very least - ignorant ^^^ aka “deliberately uninformed”.
Eat it dude.
I didn’t attack you personally at all...and if you don’t like people being able to post on your threads then just make them blogs.
Or maybe how about you don’t title your threads to be purposefully insulting to people?
Quit saying I’m not living in reality dude...you know fuck all about me....now who is resorting to personal attacks?
Thinly veiled but glaringly obvious.
It’s so beyond me...again...thinly veiled.
Also, I live in the darkness...or my mind is trapped in the darkness of ignorance.
Just stop with the insults man...especially when you can’t even admit to them as they leave your lips.
The arrogance and dick size contest is suitable for your 2nd grade and your amazing reading abilities, give me a break.
(I’m not going to go there with you)
How about you post actual information and facts that can be checked?
How about you use facts and information to prove the point of this thread?
Also, information presented that is contrary to said point of this thread is to be expected given both the title and content.
Don’t be all butt hurt when people disagree with you and post information in return.
Step down off your soap box....see eye to eye with me...can you do that?
Got actual...”reality” stuff to go do now (I’m there right now if you can believe it!)...I’ll check back in a couple days or so.
Cya.

I skimmed through this. It was difficult to derive the relivavnt information I was looking for.

Did you agree to stop attacking me personally?

 

[Skarekrow]

"I skimmed through this.
(aka - I didn’t read it, not worth my time.)
It was difficult to derive the relivavnt information I was looking for.
(Because I didn’t read it and what I “skimmed” didn’t jive with my specific viewpoint even though I just went off about people supposedly “not reading all the information posted")

Did you agree to stop attacking me personally?
(^^^^ Never was, that’s all in your head, though all three of your sentences are once again, thinly veiled insults.)

Still waiting for the mystery post! *excited*