Is order an illusion or exaggeration?

LucyJr said:
Yep, I also think so. Human reason discover independent and external order, but for this to happen, reason itself must be a ordered and compact activity, logical. Which happily is.

I think rather chaos and disorder is more of a disordered order. Disorder can not exist by itself, only in the presence of order.
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If initial conditions are order then disorder should never arise because order operates on determinism. To have disorder your order must not be perfectly orderly because it's allowing disorder to happen, so your order cannot be full order if disorder arises.

If your system is not perfect and deterministic with predictions on when and where disorder will arise and in fact does not purposefully give rise to this disorder, then that means disorder is arising randomly, which also means that your order is not really order after all.
 
sprinkles said:
If initial conditions are order then disorder should never arise because order operates on determinism. To have disorder your order must not be perfectly orderly because it's allowing disorder to happen, so your order cannot be full order if disorder arises.

If your system is not perfect and deterministic with predictions on when and where disorder will arise and in fact does not purposefully give rise to this disorder, then that means disorder is arising randomly, which also means that your order is not really order after all.
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What determines order?
 
LucyJr said:
What determines order?
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Nothing determines order. Order is an abstract nothing, a descriptor of states of things - without things there is no order.

What happens is that deterministic events may place things into an arrangement that we may describe as orderly.
 
sprinkles said:
If there was not disorder there'd be no question to ask.
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True but I dont see disorder as the abscence of order but its breakdown and it has an order of its own.
 
If most people seem to think that there is inherent order to this world, why do I seem to be surrounded by chaos even though I have a need for order?
 
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