It's supposedly Constitutional, BUT

Reason said:
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Damn these small government loving fascists!
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That's like saying proponents of identity politics aren't far left because they're not Communists.

Of course some libertarians can be far right. You can favour small government and still be a reactionary, a conspiracy theorist, a populist, etc.
 
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FiftySeven said:
Those who support Trump are clinging to an ideal of white supremacy. So much of this thread, and especially the last few posts, clearly demonstrate that. Contempt is what these ideologues deserve (don't make me laugh by denying it).
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Holy shit. So you have some inner access into the minds of "those who support Trump."
 
Ren said:
That's like saying proponents of identity politics aren't far left because they're not Communists.

Of course some libertarians can be far right. You can favour small government and still be a reactionary, a conspiracy theorist, a populist, etc.
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Oh so this just a terms thing we're not actually talking left/right economics we're now talking social policies and such?
 
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Oh so this just a terms thing we're not actually talking left/right economics we're now talking social policies and such?
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But then why even mention libertarians then if anyone else can say that communism and fascism have overlap even without being libertarian?
 
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But then why even mention libertarians then if anyone else can say that communism and fascism have overlap even without being libertarian?
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Anyone else can say that in theory, but it's a trend I've observed about far right (not all) libertarians.

The strategy being that it allows them to distance themselves from both extremes and thereby imply they themselves aren't extreme.
 
Ren said:
Anyone else can say that in theory, but it's a trend I've observed about far right (not all) libertarians.
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Who have you seen say that?
Ren said:
The strategy being that it allows them to distance themselves from both extremes and thereby imply they themselves aren't extreme.
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How do you know what they're trying to do? Did they actually say that's what they are doing or is this just an assumption?
 
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Who have you seen say that?
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Tons of self-proclaimed libertarians online, and some notable French political figures.

Reason said:
How do you know what they're trying to do? Did they actually say that's what they are doing or is this just an assumption?
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Well, the argument that goes along the lines of "we're not far right because we're not fascists, and we hate the communists who are kinda like fascists" is pretty common.

I haven't got a very elaborate theory about it, though.
 
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Well, the argument that goes along the lines of "we're not far right because we're not fascists, and we hate the communists who are kinda like fascists" is pretty common.
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Maybe that's because you use the phrase "far right" for conspiracy theorists instead of for the left-right political axis. I wouldn't, just to give you some contrast, necessarily think you have to be on the left politically to believe any of their conspiracy theories. Maybe a person just watches the news and believes what they hear is accurate reporting.

This sounds more like a breakdown of communication from nebulous word choice to me.
 
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Maybe that's because you use the phrase "far right" for conspiracy theorists instead of for the left-right political axis. I wouldn't, just to give you some contrast, necessarily think you have to be on the left politically to believe any of their conspiracy theories. Maybe a person just watches the news and believes what they hear is accurate reporting.

This sounds more like a breakdown of communication from nebulous word choice to me.
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I didn't just mean in terms of conspiracy theories, but I see your point. What I'm wondering though, is whether the economic axis is that relevant anymore to distinguish left from right. If to be left-wing is to be against capitalism, then there mustn't be a lot of left-wingers left in the Western world. Even social democracy (where I guess I belong politically) is rather centre-right economically in my estimate. Still capitalist, although more in favour of State intervention/redistribution than the traditional economic right.

I really think that these days the right/left divide lies elsewhere—like you said, in social policy, cultural attitudes, and the like.
 
Ren said:
I didn't just mean in terms of conspiracy theories, but I see your point. What I'm wondering though, is whether the economic axis is that relevant anymore to distinguish left from right. If to be left-wing is to be against capitalism, then there mustn't be a lot of left-wingers left in the Western world. Even social democracy (where I guess I belong politically) is rather centre-right economically in my estimate. Still capitalist, although more in favour of State intervention/redistribution than the traditional economic right.

I really think that these days the right/left divide lies elsewhere—like you said, in social policy, cultural attitudes, and the like.
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We need more clear terms definitely I agree with you there. Time spent hallucinating about each other's opinions is at best a waste and at worst unnecessarily inflammatory so we agree on that. I disagree that modern divides are mostly social issues though, the economics and the social elements are often linked. Not always but often enough to where I'd have to disagree with that statement.

I don't think leftism is purely anti capitalism. I would say the divide between left and far left is the distinction a person makes between trying to "restrain" capitalism vs annihilating it. The reason I would describe myself as a centrist or maybe slightly center right is that restraint of free market forces is something I'm situationally in favor of or against.

Basically I'm only in favor of restraint when I'm convinced it works.

Edit: Works better than the alternative I mean.
 
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SpecialEdition said:
It would be nice if this lunatic could spell the names of his guests correctly.
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What in the fuck am I actually watching.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-camp...laims-georgia-election-fraud-hearings-1552257

This guy?????? This is the guy that's giving "proof?"

Am I going to have to make a thread peeling apart this entire 2 hour shit show? This is what people believe? What in the actual fuck. Could the bar be set any lower? I suppose not so that's why they have to dig their own grave to get under it.
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Hey.....you now have a chance to pick up an easy $5,000,000!
 
Imagine thinking America has standards. Now imagine that same bar being close to the ground. The bar is made out of money.

Our previous president, had a cameo in the movie Home Alone II; and hosted a reality show called "The Apprentice".

California's governor is Arnold Schwarzenegger.

You don't have to think hard to understand that politics aren't grounded in any sensible reality.

It's even harder to believe that it's made to make the people who's lives supposedly take liberty in it, better.

But that's just my 2 cents.
 
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