Just realized Jungian psychology was a cult

Princess Zucchini said:
1. Not every cult is masons. Think a small, creepy, groovy, Bohemian cult, like the one he actually had
2. No, he was a psychologist who wrote books. He wasn't a medieval wizard or minor European god. He was a real man who was a criminal and a psychologist. If he was a wizard, he could still go to jail.

You guys bored me to death, you win
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I'd be interested if there were any connections to the masons etc as that sort lead on to some really nasty cabal that society usually ignores or is completely unaware of think Epstein or Diddy etc.
 
Princess Zucchini said:
This platform is a byproduct of his work. You don't have to be here. You are here, however, giving admiration to his work, meaning that you do admire him to some degree.
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This platform and the INFJ personality types is much closer to Jungian psychology than Freudian. We can agree to disagree on that. But, don't label me as an admirer of Freud just because I'm on this platform. I'm here because I'm an INFJ, and it's a platform to meet other INFJs. Can't we just leave it at that?
 
SlowUpTake said:
Reading Jung changed me. At first i thought his metaphysics was strictly materialist. "Answer to Job" which blew me away, seemed to be an atheistic origin story for Christianity and his coldblooded analysis of the anthropomorphic nature of religious thought (all the projections) resonated with my post roman catholic agnosticism. but as I got more immersed it the more accessible stuff it became clear that he was a hard core deist, its just that God for him was not human, or humane (in my opinion).

It is not that good and evil are constructs in a postmodern way, its that they do not make sense in a cosmic way. good and evil are physical things, things felt by and made sense of by the physical body. This is a human (or maybe animal) thing.
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I like C.J.. His ideas were way ahead of his time - probably still are today. I don't see him or his ideas as a cult in the traditional sense but I'm sure he had a significant following because of his ideas about the human mind. If that makes him a cult leader then every significant podcaster these days is a cult leader.
 
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TomasM said:
I like C.G.. His ideas were way ahead of his time - probably still are today. I don't see him or his ideas as a cult in the traditional sense but I'm sure he had a significant following because of his ideas about the human mind. If that makes him a cult leader then every significant podcaster these days is a cult leader.
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I think most of the confusion regarding this is simply in what was normalized at the time. Older men having younger women in those days and age was appropriate. Young women were seen as barter tools and this isn’t to condone it, it’s just a factual representation of society during those times. The research into what this type of behavior did on young women of this age didn’t come until much much later. Now it’s almost unheard of in 2026 because we know more, we’ve evolved and what wasn’t considered a crime and instead was considered the norm of the time is improved upon as society improves just like what is normalized now will likely not be normalized in the future. Just like physical abuse inside of families was normalized and continued until about the early 80s when families began to recognize that it wasn’t socially acceptable and we tried to do better. It’s not in condoning the behavior as much as it is evolving and changing our thoughts, behaviors, and attitudes regarding such matters. The actions and what the person contributed to society can’t be downplayed but we must weigh the “evilness” of what happened during those times with what was considered norm in those times. Just like slavery should have been a crime but it wasn’t. The sad thing is that we still have slavery (it’s just in a different way and kept underground with sex slaves instead of work slaves.) The thing is that society will always have flaws. Always have dark where there is light and we will always be the type that sees and feels the pain of it but to beat down on princess zucchini where I can see the thought pattern and where she is coming from regarding it isn’t the way. This may push her from choosing to share more posts and I’d rather understand where she is coming from and have these kinds of posts that gets ppl thinking versus silencing someone in the thoughts that they might think they are on the outside looking in if they share their thoughts or beliefs on a subject matter.
 
Princess Zucchini said:
Not broad at all! This is site is focused primarily on Jung's works, specifically his theory of cognitive functions, represented by those fun four letters we put next to our names. Are you newer to Myers-Briggs?
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No, though I never got deep into it. I was responding to comfortably numb and included your quote as I thought it was relevant to the context, but that may not have been apparent. I didn't have any issue with what you said.
 
jkxx said:
(Quoting @John K - yes... this is a short-term effect which will remain with us for the next few months, especially the notion of cults and cult-like thinking and formation of unusual groups and followings, otherwise I agree with the quote personally. If you are seeing highly unusual beliefs odd things coming to prominence, it's temporary. We only have a few months left to go before the dust settles some.)

I'm not surprised we are discussing how supposedly great people did awful things and for sure there is a personal angle in many of these examples. (The Bernays example really stands out.) Last year I threw the quote "the result of the system you see is a result of the system working as intended" to some people at work and was greeted with blank expressions from all present.
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JKK - I'm intrigued by your prognostications. Also your profile picture. I recently watched this video - once predicted, now being scientifically proven. To anyone watching it: If you're not interested in the Edgar Casey part, go to the 2:45 minute mark for the scientific proof.
 
@ComfortablyNumb - this video has come up in my youtube recommends and yes it was intriguing so I ended up watching it. (Casey is one of the people whose predictions intrigue me, others include Slava Sevrukova of Bulgarian fame and a number of others still all mentioned in a book called WW3 which I felt compelled to read back in 2022 - it had lots of predictions from lots of these types of personalities as well, I'd had to quit work that year after telling my boss "I need to leave by Feb 15 because around Feb 20 a war will start in Ukraine" - they thought I was to just bail because of an ongoing merger but anyway, after the war started reading that book seemed like a good idea.)

Cats have been in my life ever since I was a child and as the video says they do help with depression (my previous one, Spike, did this a ton during those year) and have a quirky way of bonding with humans which some humans don't realize. Right now my cat's named Elvis, here looking a bit older than in some old shots from years ago though the avatar was given to me by forum members here and I just ended up liking it and keeping it.

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I'm intrigued by your prognostications.
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Happy to elaborate if you have anything specific in mind.
 
ComfortablyNumb said:
JKK - I'm intrigued by your prognostications. Also your profile picture. I recently watched this video - once predicted, now being scientifically proven. To anyone watching it: If you're not interested in the Edgar Casey part, go to the 2:45 minute mark for the scientific proof.
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Didn't watch the video, but I'm hoping that this is the cat prophecy in question ~ because I am ready for it
https://pronoiac.tumblr.com%2Fpost%2F748846416037904384
 
I've had cats much of my life as well. And I relate to what you said about some people not realizing how they bond with humans. It's hard to explain my thoughts...they want to connect with their human companion and you have to reciprocate. I say "companion" because one does not own a car, at best they see you as equals, sometimes they own you 😅 I had a 10 lb. Siamese from kitten ,until he passed at 16. I'm 20x his weight, yet he would herd me toward his food bowl by putting himself in front of my stride and correcting any step not in the direction of food with his 10 lb body block. He passed about a year after my dad's passing which was about a year after my mother's passing (all three of old age). Then it was just me and my other cat, a big 18 lb tomcat. I did a lot of yardwork around the house that year just to keep my mind busy while going through the grieving process. Any task I was doing he would stand beside me and watch. He wasn't distracted by chipmunks, squirrels, nor birds. It was as if he was being my guardian through my grief and maybe I was his too after losing his brother.
I can see that you and Elvis have a similar bond. His posture, relaxed, head upsidedown. Oscar used to do that. It was a show of trust, guard down, "let's chill out together".

On a lighter note, have you ever seen the old EDS commercial, "Heading cats"? I find it hilarious. So well done. I see some new detail every time I watch it.
 
ComfortablyNumb said:
I've had cats much of my life as well. And I relate to what you said about some people not realizing how they bond with humans. It's hard to explain my thoughts...they want to connect with their human companion and you have to reciprocate. I say "companion" because one does not own a car, at best they see you as equals, sometimes they own you 😅 I had a 10 lb. Siamese from kitten ,until he passed at 16. I'm 20x his weight, yet he would herd me toward his food bowl by putting himself in front of my stride and correcting any step not in the direction of food with his 10 lb body block. He passed about a year after my dad's passing which was about a year after my mother's passing (all three of old age). Then it was just me and my other cat, a big 18 lb tomcat. I did a lot of yardwork around the house that year just to keep my mind busy while going through the grieving process. Any task I was doing he would stand beside me and watch. He wasn't distracted by chipmunks, squirrels, nor birds. It was as if he was being my guardian through my grief and maybe I was his too after losing his brother.
I can see that you and Elvis have a similar bond. His posture, relaxed, head upsidedown. Oscar used to do that. It was a show of trust, guard down, "let's chill out together".

On a lighter note, have you ever seen the old EDS commercial, "Heading cats"? I find it hilarious. So well done. I see some new detail every time I watch it.
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It's tough, isn't it when they go. "I say "companion" because one does not own a car, at best they see you as equals, sometimes they own you" - Yep... exactly and only cat people know this. Spike was with me for a long time, going all the way back since my evil stepfather kicked us out on the streets (I was a teenager back then) and we picked him up shortly after this happened since I was getting really depressed and asked for a kitty - long story short we saw Spike (all-black Maine Coon mix) and saw he wanted to go home with us so we took him. He ended up traveling the world with me and yes keeping an eye on me and taking care of me when I wasn't doing so well back then. He lived a pretty long life though eventually ended up with cancer and had to be put down on Christmas Eve 2015. It was a really bad deal since we were only able to keep him going for 4 weeks after the diagnosis. A good friend (RIP KC, you're always a good role model) found a little kitten meowing in a barn near where she lived around Halloween of that year and took care of him until he grew up enough to be adoptable. That kitten was Elvis (although called Ella initially, oops) and he's been with me ever since. This one is not a fan of traveling except for the yard though after 3 years he was able to warm up to me. I think he was abandoned so he was quite standoffish during those first 3 years.. now he is fine chilling together.

:tearsofjoy: I hadn't seen this commercial or at least don't remember but it gave me a good laugh, thank you for including it
 
jkxx said:
It's tough, isn't it when they go. "I say "companion" because one does not own a car, at best they see you as equals, sometimes they own you" - Yep... exactly and only cat people know this. Spike was with me for a long time, going all the way back since my evil stepfather kicked us out on the streets (I was a teenager back then) and we picked him up shortly after this happened since I was getting really depressed and asked for a kitty - long story short we saw Spike (all-black Maine Coon mix) and saw he wanted to go home with us so we took him. He ended up traveling the world with me and yes keeping an eye on me and taking care of me when I wasn't doing so well back then. He lived a pretty long life though eventually ended up with cancer and had to be put down on Christmas Eve 2015. It was a really bad deal since we were only able to keep him going for 4 weeks after the diagnosis. A good friend (RIP KC, you're always a good role model) found a little kitten meowing in a barn near where she lived around Halloween of that year and took care of him until he grew up enough to be adoptable. That kitten was Elvis (although called Ella initially, oops) and he's been with me ever since. This one is not a fan of traveling except for the yard though after 3 years he was able to warm up to me. I think he was abandoned so he was quite standoffish during those first 3 years.. now he is fine chilling together.

:tearsofjoy: I hadn't seen this commercial or at least don't remember but it gave me a good laugh, thank you for including it
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I bet spike was a handsome gentle giant. I don't think I've ever seen a black Maine coon even in pictures 🔥💯
 
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