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.....the thesis behind a provocative book, Theology of Provocation, launched in France earlier this year.

The central thesis, as exposed by Professor Gérard Conio, is that neoliberalism, as imposed by practitioners of the New World Order and financial elites, is not the opposite of totalitarian communism, but rather its apex, with a tiny minority of masters wielding life-and-death power over a vast majority of slaves.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/362656-trump-clinton-cold-war-nuclear/
 
hey did you know that GCHQ's activities were recently ruled unlawful?

Okay... so I'm a bit of an activist in the UK, a member of Momentum and a keen supporter of democratic socialism. If GCHQ is doing its job, they're probably spying on at least three groups to which I belong. Let's just say I'm not a fan or them or corporate finance. Still not going to buy the conspiracy mumbo-jumbo though—the problems are systemic.

Why this radical activist is disillusioned by the toxic culture of the left
I've seen from the inside how the left is destroying people's lives and censoring free speech, and I'm sick of it
Bailey Lamon
Monday 29 February 2016

Urgh. Okay, let's see what this hack piece from the Indie (how are they still even a thing?) has to say about... the toxic culture of the left. This is going to hurt.

First of all, I’m tired of watching people turn into pretentious assholes who think their activism makes them better than everyone else, even the oppressed and marginalised groups with whom they claim “allyship”.

I've not seen this even once on the British left, but sure, there are assholes everywhere. So?

If you’ve ever worked with oppressed groups, such as people who are homeless, abused, addicted or suffering from mental health problems, there's one thing you learn straight away. They usually don't frame their worldviews in terms of academic theories students learn in gender studies classes in university. For the most part, they tend to not analyse their experiences in terms of systemic power and privilege, concepts such as “the patriarchy”, “white privilege”, or “heteronormativity”.

Again, so what? This is just retrograde anti-intellectualism disguised by Bailley 'totally a real left-wing activist I promise' Lamon, condescendingly projecting his disdain for theory on oppressed groups. I once met a homeless man reading about taxhavens, he was more informed on the subject than I. Does my anecdote trump Bailley's? Oppressed people have worldviews too.

While many of these folks know that they're directly impacted by class inequality, they don't sit around pondering capitalism, reading Marx, or tackling the effects of “problematic behaviours”. They are not concerned with checking their privilege. No. They are busy trying to survive. Getting through the next day. Meeting their basic needs. They don't bother with policing their language and worrying about how their words might unintentionally perpetuate certain stereotypes. They are more concerned with their voices being heard.

What does reading Marx have to do with tackling the effects of “problematic behaviours”? This guy was an anti-capitalist who begrudged pondering capitalism? Sounds like a lazy fairweather activist who just resented being asked to read a few books. 'Homeless people don't read books, why should I!'

And so on.

Urgh.

Of course, there are problems on the left. The left is made up of people. Policing behaviour is stupid, getting people fired is almost always wrong. None of this addresses the substance of the left, all of this is a distraction from the ideas, which are apparently irrelevant because if it's not about 'trying to survive,' then who cares about theory, ideas, understanding systems, etc?
 
The central thesis, as exposed by Professor Gérard Conio, is that neoliberalism, as imposed by practitioners of the New World Order and financial elites, is not the opposite of totalitarian communism, but rather its apex, with a tiny minority of masters wielding life-and-death power over a vast majority of slaves.

Sure, deregulated capitalism overseen by an oligarchy is the ultimate plan of anti-capitalists who want to see the withering away of the state—makes sense.
 
Sure, deregulated capitalism overseen by an oligarchy is the ultimate plan of anti-capitalists who want to see the withering away of the state—makes sense.

neoliberalism is merely a strategy to move all the public wealth into a few private hands

this gives them control of all the wealth and as governments then begin to struggle under 'austerity' they sell their national assets to those oligarchs

this then paves the way to the oligarchs technocratic society where your private property will be abolished

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neoliberalism is merely a strategy to move all the public wealth into a few private hands

this gives them control of all the wealth and as governments then begin to struggle under 'austerity' they sell their national assets to those oligarchs

this then paves the way to the oligarchs technocratic society where your private property will be abolished

If you read any Marx, including the text from which the quote was mined, you would know that an oligarchic technocracy was the opposite of his ideals. Here's the passage from which that quote was taken, in Manifesto of the Communist Party, chapter 2:

The distinguishing feature of Communism is not the abolition of property generally, but the abolition of bourgeois property. But modern bourgeois private property is the final and most complete expression of the system of producing and appropriating products, that is based on class antagonisms, on the exploitation of the many by the few.

In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property.

We Communists have been reproached with the desire of abolishing the right of personally acquiring property as the fruit of a man’s own labour, which property is alleged to be the groundwork of all personal freedom, activity and independence.​

Quote-mining is dishonest. What Marx is talking about is the abolition of a wage-economy and exploitation, democratic control of the means of production, etc. Your speculative conspiracy theory betrays a complete ignorance about politics.
 
well some of them voted in the poll while others kept their cards close to their chest but you can always judge a tree by its fruit

Okaaaay?
That in no way addresses or answers the query.
 
If you read any Marx, including the text from which the quote was mined, you would know that an oligarchic technocracy was the opposite of his ideals. Here's the passage from which that quote was taken, in Manifesto of the Communist Party, chapter 2:

The distinguishing feature of Communism is not the abolition of property generally, but the abolition of bourgeois property. But modern bourgeois private property is the final and most complete expression of the system of producing and appropriating products, that is based on class antagonisms, on the exploitation of the many by the few.

In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property.

We Communists have been reproached with the desire of abolishing the right of personally acquiring property as the fruit of a man’s own labour, which property is alleged to be the groundwork of all personal freedom, activity and independence.​

Quote-mining is dishonest. What Marx is talking about is the abolition of a wage-economy and exploitation, democratic control of the means of production, etc. Your speculative conspiracy theory betrays a complete ignorance about politics.

uh huh and when did any commies ever achieve this?

i think the mistake you are making is taking marx at face value
 
Okay... so I'm a bit of an activist in the UK, a member of Momentum and a keen supporter of democratic socialism.

ah yes momentum!

run by two millionaire champagne socialist jewish guys: john landsman and james schneider

not exactly men of the people are they living as they do in their multi-million pound pads?

no surprise that corbyn has folded like a paper bag under the pressure of the zionists to accept all of the points of the international definition of anti-semitism

also no surprise that corbyn has failed to back the will of the british people in supporting brexit seeing as the remain campaign was funded by goldman sachs
 
ah yes momentum!

run by two millionaire champagne socialist jewish guys: john landsman and james schneider

not exactly men of the people are they living as they do in their multi-million pound pads?

no surprise that corbyn has folded like a paper bag under the pressure of the zionists to accept all of the points of the international definition of anti-semitism

also no surprise that corbyn has failed to back the will of the british people in supporting brexit seeing as the remain campaign was funded by goldman sachs
Did you have any replies to his points?

P.S. You forgot to vote in your poll. If you don’t vote or try to claim that you are neither then you’re hiding the fact that you’re a communist.
 
How a former public schoolboy is hijacking Labour: Jon Lansman founded Corbyn's Momentum which rails against the rich... yet lives in a luxury building and his family run a property firm with links to a tax haven
  • The veteran political organiser founded the group to back Corbyn two years ago
  • The privately-wealthy 60-year-old set up the group in his Butler Wharf home
  • Now he is standing for Labour’s ruling National Executive Committee (NEC)
By Guy Adams for the Daily Mail

Published: 01:16, 21 October 2017 | Updated: 01:33, 21 October 2017

All of which begs two questions: who exactly is Jon Lansman? And how, in two years, has the Left-wing activist from a privileged background risen from nowhere to represent the power behind Corbyn’s throne?

Let’s start by taking a peek through his gilded keyhole.

In April 2015, his rambling house in London’s fashionable Shoreditch (from where he moved to Butler’s Wharf) was placed on the market.

Priced at just over £1.5 million, pictures on the estate agent’s website show the three-bedroom pad, which was decorated with modern art, had a glass staircase, Rayburn cooker range, brushed steel kitchen, roof terrace, ‘insulated pantry,’ basement art studio, and ‘a spectacular wine cellar with a 2,200 bottle capacity’.

Yet look closely, and clues to Lansman’s political allegiances were also visible. In the living room, underneath a flat-screen TV, was a large bust of Karl Marx.

Bookshelves were stacked with texts about Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin, along with books by a political mentor, Tony Benn. In the magazine rack next to the reclaimed wood kitchen table were copies of a Left-wing magazine.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...c-schoolboy-Jon-Lansman-hijacking-Labour.html
 
Did you have any replies to his points?

P.S. You forgot to vote in your poll. If you don’t vote or try to claim that you are neither then you’re hiding the fact that you’re a communist.

so rowan tree has made the point that communism should end with a stateless state however he has also admitted that it has never achieved this

I have responded that it was never meant to achieve it

personally i like the idea of a stateless state because i believe in decentralised power which means power being decentralised to all people

by default this means empowering all individuals including women and minorities

however the REAL power behind what is presented as 'the left' in the corporate media has no interest in either dismantling government nor in decentralising power down to the little guy and gal on the street

their REAL goal is to enslave all people under a centralised technocratic government so what i'm trying to do is to get people who are being swept along with that co-opted 'left' to realise that they are being duped by powerful oligarchic forces who don;t give a damn about womens rights or minorities rights and who simply use those pressure points to try and radicalise those elements against anyone who believes in individual freedom by equating in their minds their own 'empowerment' with what they will ultimately find out is actually going to be their enslavement under a technocracy
 
run by two millionaire champagne socialist jewish guys: john landsman and james schneider

Ah, I should have known. Don't like Jews? I don't debate antisemites. Good day.
 
"Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose. The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history."
-David Rockefeller, statement in 1973 about Mao Tse-tung: (NY Times 8-10-73)

Mao's Great Leap Forward 'killed 45 million in four years'
Arts Correspondent
Arifa Akbar @arifa_akbar
Friday 17 September 2010 11:23
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-...-killed-45-million-in-four-years-2081630.html

The Trilateral Commission and Technocracy

 
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have you watched the clip above 'the trilateral commission and the technocracy?'

i know the guy has a bit of a drawl so its not the most exciting sounding presentation but in terms of the information contained within it is spot on

if you want to know what's going on in your country and in the wider world then that clip will tell you. We are moving into what the elites called the 'technotronic era' and the problem with that is that if they achieve it no human will ever be free ever again. They will only ever live by the grace of the elites under their terms

ironically the 'left' that these days seems to support so many planks of the technocracy traditionally claimed it was fighting for the rights of the workers and yet the technotronic era would see the workers become the complete SLAVES of the elites

It doesn't matter what your identity group is you would be their total slave. In fact you would be more enslaved than slaves during the slave era because at least they could run
 
Here's a very good article that looks at how populations that are struggling economically become willing to give up their rights and freedoms in order to get government aid. As we see automation strip away peoples jobs more people will fall back on government assistance which will see the launch of 'universal basic income' which will be granted in return for willing serfdom under the technocracy:

How Globalists Plan To Use Technology And Poverty To Enslave The Masses
Thursday, 04 October 2018 05:36 Brandon Smith

Tyranny is often seen as a sudden and inexplicable development in a society; the product of a singular despot that rockets to power for a limited window of time due to public fear or stupidity. This is one of the great lies of the modern era.

The truth is that for at least the past century almost every historically despised “tyrant” was merely a puppet of a larger managerial cabal, and the construction of each totalitarian state was accomplished slowly and quietly over the course of decades by those same financial elitists. From the Bolsheviks, to Hitler and the Third Reich, to Mao Zedong, to most tin-pot dictators across the Middle East and Africa, there has always been an organized group of money men and think tanks fueling the careers of the worst politicians and military juntas of the epoch.

The rise of a tyrannical system takes extensive time, planning and staging. Human beings do not simply jump right into the arms of a dystopian nightmare regime impulsively at a moment’s notice. We have been told by popular media that this is how it works; that during hard economic or social conditions men with charismatic personalities and evil intentions suddenly rise to the surface and take power by promising a better world in exchange for public fealty. But where did those economic and social crises come from to begin with? Were they a natural consequence of the era, or were they deliberately engineered?

The reality is that people must be psychologically conditioned to trade freedom for the illusion of safety. Sometimes this takes generations. Every attempt at a totalitarian framework inevitably elicits a rebellion. Therefore, the most successful tyranny would be one that the public DEMANDS. They have to think it is their idea, otherwise they will eventually fight it.

Globalist financiers and power addicts need something more than mere military might or bureaucratic force to obtain their ideal slave society. They need 4th Generation warfare tactics. They need to con the masses into accepting their own servitude.

There are two tools that make this outcome possible: The first is controlled economic decline, the second is the integration of a technological gulag into every aspect of public life.

Economic Weapons Of Mass Distraction

It is no coincidence that dictatorial governments gain prominence as the global economy suffers; it is extremely difficult for people to remain vigilant to tyranny when they are completely distracted by their own survival. This is why my focus as an analyst has always been primarily on economics and solutions to fiscal disaster; it all begins and ends with the economy. If the public can be prepped to develop their own alternative economic systems before a crisis occurs, then they will be less distracted by the chaos and more apt to notice when the globalists offer tyranny as a fix-all.

Without alternative markets at the local level there is no redundancy, no protection from a crash. With most people dependent on the existing system for their livelihoods, the economy becomes a very useful weapon for the globalists.

Holding the economy hostage creates numerous advantages. Through deflationary pressure wages can be kept low while higher paying jobs disappear. Manufacturing can be phased out or outsourced overseas, as in the U.S. Small business ownership becomes difficult as taxes generally rise while financial conditions decline.

Through inflationary or stagflationary pressures, low wages and the inadequate job market are combined with exploding prices. This makes survival for many people untenable without government aid.

In this environment, the working public becomes reliant on the service sector, which provides no useful skill sets. Soon, you have entire generations of people with no production abilities whatsoever. They become drones working in meaningless office and retail jobs squandering away their days knowing that they are accomplishing nothing beyond a meager paycheck.

The lack of a greater purpose or mission in life and the nagging realization that the average person has no productive capacity creates a palpable atmosphere of desperation. They do not own their own work, and they have nothing much to show for their labor; nothing to point at and say, “I built that.” The public gets to the point that they may even welcome an economic collapse simply to escape the drudgery.

This is where movements to support totalitarianism come from — the subset of citizens that are fed up with fighting against the economy and have no sense of independence. These people do not know how to solve their own problems, they are always looking for someone else to do it for them. The globalists are happy to suggest their own predetermined solutions to the public once the financial structure hits a point of maximum pain.

However, after the economy is repaired in exchange for the submission of the citizenry, people might still decide one day that the trade was unfair. Thus, a deterrent is needed to keep them in line.

The Technological Fish Tank

It is important to understand that there is no major country in the western OR eastern world that is not building a digital control grid, and this helps to support my position that eastern nations are just as subservient to globalist demands as western nations. All the geopolitical drama surrounding events like the trade war, the Syrian war or various elections, etc.; none of this matters in the end. When determining if the strings of a particular government are being pulled by the globalist cabal, all you have to do is look at how quickly they are implementing oppressive systems that serve globalist interests.

For example, India’s government has been hitting the news feeds lately as their supreme court recently ruled that the controversial Aadhaar biometric program is legal. In a nation of 1.3 billion people, around 1 billion have already been biometrically profiled in a national database. This data can include fingerprints, iris scans and face scans.

I have heard it argued that India is a rather odd place to experiment with such a database, considering 60% of the population is under the poverty line and most people barely have basic amenities. But I would point out that this is why it is a PERFECT place for the globalists to start cataloging the world population on larger scale.

Again, financial desperation and a lack of productions skills tends to produce subservience. Hundreds of millions of poverty stricken people in India’s sprawling urban sewers are voluntarily giving up their biometric data in exchange for government aid programs.

For the people not anchored down by the poor economy India has instituted other measures, including requiring anyone accessing government services, opening a bank account or signing up for a mobile phone service also give up their biometrics to the government. In nations not yet impoverished at India’s level, more subversive measures have been instituted for surveillance of the population. Data is simply taken rather than traded.

In Russia, Vladimir Putin has put the Yarovaya laws he signed in 2016 into effect. All digital data from phone conversations to emails is now recorded and stored by telecoms for government access for a minimum of six months, this includes Facebook and Twitter posts. The 2014 bloggers law also requires any blogger with over 3,000 followers be put on government file and they cannot remain anonymous. Any business operating a public Wi-Fi network is required by law to identify users by ID, which is also stored for at least six months.

Russia’s FISA-style surveillance grid is vast, yet, many people in the liberty movement seem to ignore this reality with misplaced Putin-worship. As I have noted in numerous articles, Russia is heavily influenced by international financiers.

Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan are the largest investment banks in the country. Their central bank works closely with the IMF and the BIS. The Kremlin has in the past called for a global currency controlled by the IMF. And Putin even admits in his own biography First Person that he has been friends with New World Order salesman Henry Kissinger since before he became president of Russia. In a latest show of how globalist Russia really is, the Russian Foreign Minister recently criticized the U.S. in a speech to the U.N. general assembly over its “attacks” on the “international order,” including undermining the World Trade Organization and global climate change agreements.

With the above in mind, it should come as no surprise to anyone that Russia is playing right along with globalist efforts to identify and track every single living person. It should also come as no surprise that Donald Trump, surrounded by globalists within his own cabinet, is continuing and expanding FISA surveillance under his administration.

At the beginning of 2018 Trump signed a bill renewing the National Security Agency’s warrantless FISA mass surveillance of the American population. Leading Democrats happily supported the action. Despite all of Trump’s rhetoric against FISA recently, it was Trump that made FISA’s continuation possible.

Major social media companies are cooperating wholeheartedly with mass surveillance efforts as they share personal data with governments around the world regularly. Facebook alone saw an increase in government requests for data of over 33% in 2017, and the nature of most of this data sharing is not open to public scrutiny.

This is one reason why I'm rather bewildered by the recent conservative fury over social media discrimination - it's as if personal liberty activists are being tricked with reverse psychology to DEMAND unhindered participation in media sites that spy on them. Why does anyone still want to sign up for these websites?

But where is this all going? How does the combination of poverty and digital surveillance translate to tyranny? I believe China’s “social credit” program is the answer. The system is based on the idea of "maintaining trust", but whose trust? Well, the government's trust, of course. Trust is measured using a social credit score that is tracked over a citizen's life. Punished behaviors include anything from smoking in a no smoking area to publishing internet content that the powers-that-be disapprove of.

China is representative of the end game for the globalist ideal for civilization. With mass economic struggle leading to dependency on government welfare programs and employment opportunities, few citizens can afford to be “blacklisted.” China’s social credit system creates an environment in which any and every action on the part of citizens is tracked and then “rated” for acceptance or consequence. This includes how people express attitudes toward the government itself. Obviously, this is the ultimate control mechanism, very similar to the Cheka established by Lenin and Stalin in Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution, but on a massive digital scale.

This is why mass surveillance is evil, regardless of whether someone is breaking the laws or not. It gives government the power to dictate and mold behavior by inspiring self-censorship rather than holding people directly at gun point. It is tyranny enforced in a less obvious way; a prison in which the prisoners maintain the locks and the chains and the bars. Individuals do not dare do anything outside of collective norms for fear that it could be interpreted as socially negative. Punishment might include loss of access to the economy itself, and when most people are living from paycheck to paycheck, this could mean death.

You can contact Brandon Smith at:
brandon@alt-market.com
http://www.alt-market.com/articles/...-technology-and-poverty-to-enslave-the-masses
 
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