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[Kgal]

@Kgal

It is my opinion that spirits do not manifest in this reality of their own accord. You invoke them and they evoke something for you. The invocation can be just about anything and doesn't have to be explicitly intentional.

It is my opinion that spirits don't suddenly appear and start harassing you just because you've been bad. For the most part they are neutral I find. But a runaway mind (such as a guilty mind) can invoke a spirit, or cause you to do things which attracts it. Just recounting the past and dwelling on it, and telling your friends about it can be like an invocation - on an emotional level and mental level it can work exactly like a ritual and have similar effects.

That's just me though.

I agree with you. It's as if the intense and reinforced thought/emotion process builds up an energy field big enough to attract other similar energy fields. When this happens a Synergy action may occur creating a third field. Or maybe between the two of them they have managed to create a third free floating field of Fear triggering and mirroring their own.

This is an interesting concept to ponder.

 

[sprinkles]

I agree with you. It's as if the intense and reinforced thought/emotion process builds up an energy field big enough to attract other similar energy fields. When this happens a Synergy action may occur creating a third field. Or maybe between the two of them they have managed to create a third free floating field of Fear triggering and mirroring their own.

This is an interesting concept to ponder.

Yes I think it's mostly us. This isn't to say that there's never an errant being from another plane of existence, or a ghost, but "dead person" isn't enough to explain it to me because there are a whole lot of dead people that never seem to do anything on their own, even when they might have big reasons for doing so.

 

[Skarekrow]

@Kgal

It is my opinion that spirits do not manifest in this reality of their own accord. You invoke them and they evoke something for you. The invocation can be just about anything and doesn't have to be explicitly intentional.

It is my opinion that spirits don't suddenly appear and start harassing you just because you've been bad. For the most part they are neutral I find. But a runaway mind (such as a guilty mind) can invoke a spirit, or cause you to do things which attracts it. Just recounting the past and dwelling on it, and telling your friends about it can be like an invocation - on an emotional level and mental level it can work exactly like a ritual and have similar effects.

That's just me though.

I agree with you. It's as if the intense and reinforced thought/emotion process builds up an energy field big enough to attract other similar energy fields. When this happens a Synergy action may occur creating a third field. Or maybe between the two of them they have managed to create a third free floating field of Fear triggering and mirroring their own.

This is an interesting concept to ponder.

I agree with sprinkles that almost anything can become an invocation for a negative spirit to attach itself to someone…I can so easily see how such an entity would absolutely FEED on such a psyche as your friend’s husband….and perhaps her combined….though it sounds like she has taken some steps already to cut any ties or hooks such a thing can put in a person.
I wouldn’t rule out PK bursts creating the activity as mentioned in the articles above…this is fairly well documented (at least as well as such intangible things are documentable) and I believe some of my own experiences were most likely PK bursts for whatever reason.

 

[Skarekrow]

Yes I think it's mostly us. This isn't to say that there's never an errant being from another plane of existence, or a ghost, but "dead person" isn't enough to explain it to me because there are a whole lot of dead people that never seem to do anything on their own, even when they might have big reasons for doing so.

There is a really good documentary on the pioneers of the EVP…REAL scientists that could not find reasons for anomalous voices to show up…I’ll find it and repost it for you…it’s such an interesting one!
Perhaps we are only hearing the static of the underlying collective consciousness if there is such a thing…or people are creating the voices themselves manifesting as an EVP?
Anyhow…there was a good quote when asked “Why don’t we have any really good recordings…they are often short and difficult to make out at times?”
The best explanation is that perhaps it is like two people yelling through the fog across from each other on distant banks of a river.
You couldn't really hold a conversation…but one or two basic short words make it across once in a while.

 

[Skarekrow]

Here it is! @sprinkles

Calling Earth (July 2014 Version)
(Well apparently you have to watch it on Vimeo…whatever…lame.)

[video=vimeo;101171248]https://vimeo.com/101171248[/video]

CALLING EARTH • A rough-cut documentary-in-progress about communication with the deceased through modern electronic technology.
(Parts 1 through 10 of 11)

Produced, Directed and Edited by Dan Drasin.
Associate Producer, Tim Coleman
Music Courtesy of Harold Moses, James Crocker, Mitchell Covington and John Rowcroft

FOREWORD
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Because the conscious survival of physical death makes no sense in terms of our materialistic (essentially 19th-century) scientific paradigm, Western science is only now beginning to play catch-up in this arena.
So please don't take this documentary as the final word.
In another decade or two we may well look back on this type of research as primitive, but for now it's a start.
Just try it on for size and see what you think, keeping in mind that a documentary film can only scratch the surface of any subject.
We hope you enjoy it.​

 

[sprinkles]

There is a really good documentary on the pioneers of the EVP…REAL scientists that could not find reasons for anomalous voices to show up…I’ll find it and repost it for you…it’s such an interesting one!
Perhaps we are only hearing the static of the underlying collective consciousness if there is such a thing…or people are creating the voices themselves manifesting as an EVP?
Anyhow…there was a good quote when asked “Why don’t we have any really good recordings…they are often short and difficult to make out at times?”
The best explanation is that perhaps it is like two people yelling through the fog across from each other on distant banks of a river.
You couldn't really hold a conversation…but one or two basic short words make it across once in a while.

Humans have a tendency to hear voices even in sounds which can't be made by a human. Pay enough attention to droning machinery, or a slightly off balance washing machine, and eventually it will speak to you.

 

[Skarekrow]

Humans have a tendency to hear voices even in sounds which can't be made by a human. Pay enough attention to droning machinery, or a slightly off balance washing machine, and eventually it will speak to you.

What is really interesting in this documentary are some of the devices built to try and rule out things like background noise…sometimes they would record EVPs with no microphone attached.
What also was curious was the pitch and frequency of the voices caught cannot be made by anyone “human” or certainly alive.
It’s one of my favorite documentaries, I still take it with a grain of salt though.

 

[sprinkles]

What is really interesting in this documentary are some of the devices built to try and rule out things like background noise…sometimes they would record EVPs with no microphone attached.
What also was curious was the pitch and frequency of the voices caught cannot be made by anyone “human” or certainly alive.
It’s one of my favorite documentaries, I still take it with a grain of salt though.

I've picked up radio transmissions on my guitar amplifier so I'm not surprised that anything can be recorded without a mic. If they record something with no power in the device I might find that unusual.

Edit:
In fact I've had a computer which would pick up the radios of truckers going by the house once in a while. Not meant to do so but it's entirely possible to pick up a frequency by accident. A device which is sensitive enough to hear the dead is likely going to hear a lot of everything else too - frequencies are not picky.

 

[Skarekrow]

I've picked up radio transmissions on my guitar amplifier so I'm not surprised that anything can be recorded without a mic. If they record something with no power in the device I might find that unusual.

Oh for Christ sake just watch the damn thing…hahahahaha…they came up with some pretty fantastic recording devices!

 

[sprinkles]

Oh for Christ sake just watch the damn thing…hahahahaha…they came up with some pretty fantastic recording devices!

I study sounds and sacred music, and I sort of collect sound experiences and reflect on them on a spiritual level. This includes non musical noises and voices of questionable origin, the sounds of planets converted to radio waves, random white noise etc.

This is part of the esoteric aspect which i study about music and sound. What spirits make a sound, what kind of sound do they make, how does a sound evoke effects, what happens when you change a sound, being able to hear the essence of the origin of a sound even though heavy distortion is applied. These are all things which I consider.

I did watch their video. I am simply not impressed.

 

[Skarekrow]

I study sounds and sacred music, and I sort of collect sound experiences and reflect on them on a spiritual level. This includes non musical noises and voices of questionable origin, the sounds of planets converted to radio waves, random white noise etc.

This is part of the esoteric aspect which i study about music and sound. What spirits make a sound, what kind of sound do they make, how does a sound evoke effects, what happens when you change a sound, being able to hear the essence of the origin of a sound even though heavy distortion is applied. These are all things which I consider.

I did watch their video. I am simply not impressed.

Like I said…grain of salt.
As far as documentaries on the subject go…I haven’t found a better one…which may just imply that there is a lack quality film-making…or perhaps a lack of good solid consistent evidence.
I still enjoy it for some of the questions it asks.

 

[sprinkles]

[MENTION=5045]Skarekrow[/MENTION]

Moreover, I can read her voice, face, mind, and body language when she claims the voice is her mother. Having heard the voice I can also say that I don't believe it is her mother. What I feel from the woman though is a whole lot of wishful thinking, and to some extent she knows she is being false about it too.

 

[Skarekrow]

@Skarekrow

Moreover, I can read her voice, face, mind, and body language when she claims the voice is her mother. Having heard the voice I can also say that I don't believe it is her mother. What I feel from the woman though is a whole lot of wishful thinking, and to some extent she knows she is being false about it too.

The whole series near the end where the people gather in the room of this EVP now Guru guy’s place to hear voices on his radio I found far fetched.
I’m sure some of it is to a certain extent but, I don’t think that all anomalous voices and sounds can be so easily written off as “wishful thinking” when at least IMO there are forces (including our own psychic forces ) that could create such sounds.

 

[sprinkles]

[MENTION=5045]Skarekrow[/MENTION]

Also there are spirits which feed on the mother connection which is formed while the mother is alive. This is not the mother. These spirits are summoned by grief, loss, or simply missing someone. They may masquerade as the mother but they are not the mother. They were never human and they were never alive.

What kind of spirit you get depends on the relationship you have with mother during life. I was haunted by a more malevolent and invasive spirit because I was hurt by my mother. But I learned that the spirit was there to feed on my emotions. I wrote a letter to my mother to say how I felt and thereafter the spirit was banished and never appeared again because my emotions were reconciled.

 

[Eventhorizon]

[MENTION=5045]Skarekrow[/MENTION] I have not seen a vortex as described I the ummm very long post.
I did see something out of the ordinary on the steens mountains though. After spreading my fathers ashes we stopped by a large pond on our way down for lunch. Upon looking out over the pond when we got there both my mother and I saw what can only be described as a small water spout that at its biggest might have been 3 feet tall. My only thought was it must have some how been caused by a bug stirring up the top layer of water though I did look for such a thing and never found any evidence of this. This reminded me of the movie Dragon Slayer and you could say my father in some ways reminded me of the old wizard but...only in knowledge.
I know my mother saw this as well but decided not to say anything just as I did.

However the absence of an explanation is not justification to apply any answer you feel makes the most sense.

I hope you find what you are looking for but keep in mind all the people that have looked before you and do not have any absolute proof of anything. Temper curiosity with objective facts.

 

[Skarekrow]

@Skarekrow I have not seen a vortex as described I the ummm very long post.
I did see something out of the ordinary on the steens mountains though. After spreading my fathers ashes we stopped by a large pond on our way down for lunch. Upon looking out over the pond when we got there both my mother and I saw what can only be described as a small water spout that at its biggest might have been 3 feet tall. My only thought was it must have some how been caused by a bug stirring up the top layer of water though I did look for such a thing and never found any evidence of this. This reminded me of the movie Dragon Slayer and you could say my father in some ways reminded me of the old wizard but...only in knowledge.
I know my mother saw this as well but decided not to say anything just as I did.

However the absence of an explanation is not justification to apply any answer you feel makes the most sense.

I hope you find what you are looking for but keep in mind all the people that have looked before you and do not have any absolute proof of anything. Temper curiosity with objective facts.

You know that I always try to find the scientific reasoning for almost everything that I post…and when I post certain stories that I feel are lacking in objective evidence then I usually preface the story with my own disclaimer.
People have found absolute factual evidence that the human mind can reach out past our skulls to have an effect on things.
This has been confirmed not only by our own government (I know, great source right…hahahaha) but by many other governments around the world…including Russia and China which both still have active PSI programs within their military.
Of course the water spout can be explained away…almost everything can be explained away as something else…I would consider a 3 foot tall water spout on an otherwise calm day to be anomalous, and could be considered a “vortex”.
Any more than that would speculation on my part.

 

[Eventhorizon]

You know that I always try to find the scientific reasoning for almost everything that I post…and when I post certain stories that I feel are lacking in objective evidence then I usually preface the story with my own disclaimer.
People have found absolute factual evidence that the human mind can reach out past our skulls to have an effect on things.
This has been confirmed not only by our own government (I know, great source right…hahahaha) but by many other governments around the world…including Russia and China which both still have active PSI programs within their military.
Of course the water spout can be explained away…almost everything can be explained away as something else…I would consider a 3 foot tall water spout on an otherwise calm day to be anomalous, and could be considered a “vortex”.
Any more than that would speculation on my part.

The human mind can at that.
I sometimes wonder how different my life would be if I gained everything I thought I wanted. I know wht it would be though actually. Its not that I am lazy, not by a long shot. Its just that my mind has to be stimulated to excel. Give me a cause or something that I either do or can believe in.
Give me everything I want and I suppose my life would be pretty boring.

You know I sometimes think that I may actually be deliberately making my own life harder just so that I have the challenge of getting out of the hole. How messed up would that be?

 

[Eventhorizon]

[MENTION=5045]Skarekrow[/MENTION] I have been thinking about this and a 3 foot tall water spout is simply a misrepresentation. It could not have been more than a foot and a half tall at its highest point...where water droplets were thrown to the top. The main body of it though was around 9 inches tall in my estimation. It might have been a little over 2 feet around at its maximum. It lasted maybe 6 total seconds.

A very large bug would have been needed to create it. Or perhaps a bird neither of which did I see any at all that day.

 

[Skarekrow]

The human mind can at that.
I sometimes wonder how different my life would be if I gained everything I thought I wanted. I know wht it would be though actually. Its not that I am lazy, not by a long shot. Its just that my mind has to be stimulated to excel. Give me a cause or something that I either do or can believe in.
Give me everything I want and I suppose my life would be pretty boring.

You know I sometimes think that I may actually be deliberately making my own life harder just so that I have the challenge of getting out of the hole. How messed up would that be?

I fully believe that we choose a large portion of our own problems…and it probably does have something to do with continuing to learn and challenging yourself.
IMO people are always trying to find that balance between a challenge and a problem…some do better at it than others…some seem to have it all figured out…but like you, that sounds boring to me. I like learning new things and pondering deep questions even if there are no immediate answers…I simply enjoy it.

@Skarekrow I have been thinking about this and a 3 foot tall water spout is simply a misrepresentation. It could not have been more than a foot and a half tall at its highest point...where water droplets were thrown to the top. The main body of it though was around 9 inches tall in my estimation. It might have been a little over 2 feet around at its maximum. It lasted maybe 6 total seconds.

A very large bug would have been needed to create it. Or perhaps a bird neither of which did I see any at all that day.

I think that there is a whole variety of anomalous things that occur in our lifetime…a good chunk of strange things are probably PK in its origin…or we created it somehow ourselves…but I also believe that there are some rarely seen and experienced actual things out there that science has yet to explain well.

 

[Skarekrow]

See William Butler Yeats's
Magical Golden Dawn Tools and Private Journals


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Irish poet William Butler Yeats is perhaps the most well-known member of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, the influential secret magical society which originated in the late 19th century (and still exists in a number of forms today).

Yeats was initiated into the order in 1890, taking on the magical name Demon est Deus Inversus–"the Devil is God Inverted."
As the order fell into chaos in the early 20th century, Yeats struggled to keep it intact, but he eventually left the offshoot Stella Matutina temple in 1921.

In 2009, noted Tarot author and scholar Mary K. Greer blogged about an exhibit at the National Library of Ireland showcasing a number of Yeats's Golden Dawn tools and writings, including pages from his private magical journal.

The exhibition is still online and I encourage you to view it here (although it is build in Flash and employs a clunky navigation system). Navigate to "Interactive" then click on "The Celtic Mystic" to see the showcase.

I also recently acquired a copy of the out-of-print and rare book, Yeats, the Tarot, and the Golden Dawn by scholar Kathleen Raine (The Dolmen Press, 1972), and was astonished to find it contained several black-and-white photos of Yeats's hand-crafted elemental weapons (magical tools).

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In the above image, clockwise from top left, are: the chalice (representing the element of Water); dagger (representing the element of Air) and lotus want (a general "all-purpose" wand); magical sword and sheath; and the Fire Wand.

Another photo, this one from the National Library of Irelands exhibit, shows Yeats's hand-constructed and painted Pentacle, which represents the element of Earth.

You can see his magical motto, Demon est Deus Inversus, painted on the pentacle.
All of the magical tools are inscribed with Hebrew names of angels, and some (noticeably the cup) feature the sigils constructed from their names (the odd geometrical figures). This image comes from the collection at the National Library of Ireland:

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It is still quite thrilling to see Yeats's drawings in the notebook illustrating his progression through the grades of the order.

Here, he has sketched and painted the angel Michael Auriel.
[An earlier version of this article stated the angel was the Archangel Michael, but someone on a Golden Dawn forum caught the mistake.]

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And a beautiful gallery of pages from a Golden Dawn notebook from Yeats's uncle, George Pollexfen, can be found on Flckr, too.

The full story of Yeats and his involvement with magic and the Golden Dawn is covered in a number of books and online, but seeing these magical tools and drawings–carefully constructed and painted by the great poet himself–really brings the tradition alive.