I thought this was great when I read it last night before falling asleep. Although I would soften it a bit and remove the Shaming part. It's time to move away from placing blame and move towards forgiveness and acceptance of our mistakes. imo....Shame impedes that process.

Labels. Distinctions. Boundaries.

It seems to me the Subjective areas you mentioned above are designed to make one feel Special, Unique, and possibly Loved.
Ideas and Beliefs such as:
-My God loves me as the Bible tells me so....because I believe and follow that one rule book.
-I'm better than you because I'm from TX and everything is bigger and better there.
-My country is the best country in the whole world because we don't war with one another and everyone has air conditioning..
-My state football team is the best...which makes me the best.

And we all could add to this list so much it would crash the new server..

I've been looking at maps lately because I'm in the process of planning a road trip out west to see the Great Trees in Sequoia National Park. There are states with Time Zone changes and one that doesn't do Daylight Saving Time; some states do the 75mph....others do not.... Just figuring out the changes we'll need to observe once we cross an artificial boundary state line.
I thought about how ridiculous and arbitrary the state lines looked. I wondered WHY we had to have lines and markers anyway. I mean aren't we all Americans? North Americans? As I gazed at the map of the country it seemed to me it would make more sense to have geographical regions with similar microclimates and weather issues than it would be to have an imaginary dotted line on the ground between me and my neighbor.

It got me to wondering WHO invented the idea of separation of the land in the first place. Then someone came up with the idea we needed a Governor over each area with imaginary lines on the ground.
Why?
What good does it do us?
In my opinion it does more harm than good. Lines of Separation teach the idea Separation is normal and just. It pits one human against another.

A subjective belief doesn't mean it cannot be true.
Such as the paranormal experiences I've had throughout my life...some were witnessed, but some were subjective experiences that helped to form my ideas and belief system.
@just me is welcome to come and write as many posts on this thread as he wants to, all I ask is that it is pertinent to the thread and discussion, that everyone has mutual respect for the other's views, and also understand that I don't believe everything I read and post on the thread.
There are many articles that have parts that I feel are worth sharing so that bits of knowledge might be gleaned from them.

I am not shaming anyone...more that it is a shame that this is where we have gotten to, the divisions that don't exist like your lines on the map exist in the minds of the people.
You and I may know who is to blame but it helps complete the picture for others so they can move beyond those concepts like you suggest.
Part of getting to where we are going is the journey, I will remember it all, the positive with the negative because they both serve purposes both in the now and in the grand scheme imho.
More and more are beginning to understand...but with many it is not unlike the mental stages of death - Denial, anger, bargaining, sadness, acceptance, etc.
My paragraph was meant to show that we are being divided purposefully and to "wake up" if you haven't already done so ( which I know you have ).
To help push those who see all these divisions into realizing they don't actually exist at all.
 
Truth is sharper than a two-edged sword. It cuts with both sides; one side to smite, the other side to help heal. Nobody has placed me against you. We can think and think until there is nothing left but to apply. Experience feeds our intuition. We act without thought of which way to go. We take no thought of what to take with us. We have learned where the stones are to step on to cross safely. Should someone mix them up and place them in another arrangement, we will still know. Our spirit leads us on.

The moon has such a dramatic affect on our earth. It is up close, so we understand its influence with the tides. We are part water, too. There are many stars and planets in our solar system, and we do not know the vastness of space. Many things can contribute to affect us. We have three planets at 120 degrees apart right now. Add all the things affecting us together, and we know how they affect us. "There will be signs in the Heavens."

The world around us is complex, and the people in it. The Spirit of God lives within me. I know. We know about our universe, and some of us know about the Holy Spirit.

See, I agree.
We are more alike than you might think Sir.
Perhaps that is why we occasionally bang heads...
 

Just because I know how much you love this song.

;)
In case you were wondering (perhaps you'd like to buy their greatest hits album), this band is called "Anal Cunt"

 
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There are some truths to be found within this video.
I personally believe certain aspects of it but have difficulty with the whole alien races fucking with human DNA part.
Maybe they are...either way, I think there are parts of this that are worth watching.
Hope you enjoy!


The Template - The Ceremony of Original Innocence - Code 1


As a result of the genetic modification of the Human DNA, almost all of our foundation circuits are in a state of disconnection, creating a distorted sense of self that has led to fear, shame, guilt and disease.

The disruption of the bio-circuitry relating to our primal resonant relationships with our mothers and fathers affects our ability to engage unconditionally in relationships.

However, it is no longer necessary or ultimately effective to engage in lengthy post-mortems of childhood, casting ourselves into the trauma-vortex of past tragedies and injustices, reinforcing identities anchored in disempowering scenarios.

By reconnecting the vital circuits that relate to conception, gestation, birth and childhood, healing is integrated on the DNA level.

The Ceremony of Original Innocence takes us back to our first choice, prior to our first breath, reminding us of our true identity - creators rather than victims.

The key to this shift in perception is forgiveness, the bedrock of the shamanic journey.
To embrace forgiveness is to embody the living mandala of love, upon which is based the fundamental Human ethic, acknowledging your "response-ability" within the interconnectedness of all creation.

Although it is possible to be born with the Water Circuits connected they are almost always disrupted by guilt, regret and anger.

Reconnecting these circuits clears these negative emotions, liberating relationships from destructive patterns.

The reconnection of the Thymus Circuit activates the T-cells of the immune system.
This has a powerful effect on health.

With the reconnection of the Air Circuits, the pineal-hypothalamus-pituitary complex is revitalised, as the pineal is now enabled to receive the full spectrum of the geometric language of light.

These are some notes and quotes from listening to the 1st Template Ceremony video:

11:11 Heh heh....I noticed the time was exactly 11:11 when I began. ;)


“….in one unified body of harmonic resonance. Our blood contains the same divine essence and molecular alchemy as the rivers that run to the sea. Our bones made of the same elemental components as ancient stone monoliths that silently witness the passing of ages. We are continually exchanging a data flow of source intelligence with the body of Earth and every form of life within her embrace. “

“….in search of a light frequency with which to resonate. Through this resonant feedback the structural integrity of the original human template present in the Soul Covenant is reinforced. 4:30

"...Through the disconnection of circuitry and the modification of the human DNA Humanity's connection to the Heart of the Cosmos is compromised. Humanity is orphaned. Disoriented. Lost in a deviant temporal zone searching blindly for a point of spiritual reference in order to know itself and evolve...."

"...Adopting pre-ordained dogmatic belief systems that profess to Define the origins of their existence..."

“There is one truth...buried deeply in you in your DNA...”

All True! We understand our world based upon our unique encoded DNA and our connection with our higher self.

Did you notice the fact the Earth is moving through the Photon Belt was described?

****

“...geometrically patterned to stimulate and upgrade our evolutionary symbiotic relationship with Light ...with each other...our Earth...and every planet within the original design of our Solar system. Our ability to access these codes and harmonically recalibrate with these cosmic influences is reliant upon our ability to choose receive and translate and utilize Light.”

Word!


.” ....effects our endocrine system..and at this time we are unable to translate the full spectrum of the vital data present in Light...”

Yes! I have come across a few variations in the story of Why this happened and How this happened and all of the bad evil machinations done to Humans and the DNA experiment. I haven't really gotten hung up in those stories. I'm like well okay...it happened...now how can we reconnect the DNA all back up?

Bilogical circuits….

Oh This is Key!

“...The range and integrity of the code we are able to download dictates the paradigm we collectively experience.”...
17:44

...and in my opinion also dictates what we personally experience too.

“... Our Sun generates the photonic matrix of creation...communicating a cascade of radiant matrices reaching out to Earth's embrace for a resonant field in which to conceive of matter.”....

Wowwww….

Lately I've been guided to spend a lot of time in interaction with the Sun and the Elemental of Fire. This has been represented by the Sun's rays, Lightning, and Salamanders. Like yesterday for instance I was encouraged to go lay out in the sunshine and get some rays on the skin. More visions occurred as my connection with the Elemental of Fire deepens. I also practice connecting my body and energy sphere with the Sun and the Earth's core as I let the Light flow through me to the Gaia. Now I know why I've been Sun Gazing for a few years now too. I've been receiving downloads of coded Light.

“...The Template Model's prime purpose is the reconnection of human biocircuitry….”

Just watched the 1st Ceremony. Powerful. Validating for me as well. I feel activated!
*********************

That was yesterday. I'm up early this morning and feeling grounded. I have been doing meditations with my intentions stated out loud for deeper connection with the Earth and the Elementals...and I could feel the body coming in alignment and grounding. I can literally feel some of the spinning sensations going on in the body stop making me feel slightly dizzy and become stabilized.
 
These are some notes and quotes from listening to the 1st Template Ceremony video:

11:11 Heh heh....I noticed the time was exactly 11:11 when I began. ;)




All True! We understand our world based upon our unique encoded DNA and our connection with our higher self.

Did you notice the fact the Earth is moving through the Photon Belt was described?

****



Word!




Yes! I have come across a few variations in the story of Why this happened and How this happened and all of the bad evil machinations done to Humans and the DNA experiment. I haven't really gotten hung up in those stories. I'm like well okay...it happened...now how can we reconnect the DNA all back up?

Bilogical circuits….

Oh This is Key!

17:44

...and in my opinion also dictates what we personally experience too.



Wowwww….

Lately I've been guided to spend a lot of time in interaction with the Sun and the Elemental of Fire. This has been represented by the Sun's rays, Lightning, and Salamanders. Like yesterday for instance I was encouraged to go lay out in the sunshine and get some rays on the skin. More visions occurred as my connection with the Elemental of Fire deepens. I also practice connecting my body and energy sphere with the Sun and the Earth's core as I let the Light flow through me to the Gaia. Now I know why I've been Sun Gazing for a few years now too. I've been receiving downloads of coded Light.



Just watched the 1st Ceremony. Powerful. Validating for me as well. I feel activated!
*********************

That was yesterday. I'm up early this morning and feeling grounded. I have been doing meditations with my intentions stated out loud for deeper connection with the Earth and the Elementals...and I could feel the body coming in alignment and grounding. I can literally feel some of the spinning sensations going on in the body stop making me feel slightly dizzy and become stabilized.


I knew you would dig that.
Hehe

There is another meditation mix someone made that incorporates parts of the ceremony from the video, chanting, singing bowls, binaural beats, etc. that I really have enjoyed meditating to quite a few times now, but I felt it was important to see the original video first.
The second video goes even deeper down the rabbit hole.
I hope you enjoy that one just as much!

Here is that meditation mix -

 
Multiple Sclerosis Out Of Body Experience
By Trevis Gleason

Published Jan 4, 2013



Sometimes MS can do things to our bodies that make us wish we could just check out of them for a little while. Other times, however, I find myself a few feet away and it freaks me out!



It happens most often if I am sitting and typing at my laptop for a while. Not all of the time; not even much of the time. This sensation only comes over me as an MS “thing” is about to happen (or is already underway). I get the sense that I am somehow about six inches behind and about three inches above my body.

I almost want to reach out further in order to touch the keys as the feeling is so strong and so real.

This stretch in consciousness is usually accompanied with a tunneling in my sense of hearing as if my brain is that same distance behind my ears. I can move my head around a bit and shake the feeling for a bit, but then it comes back and doesn’t leave. Profound fatigue is at the doorstep by this point and it’s time to find a place sleep before the place I am becomes that place.

The other night, after such an experience at our dining room table, I headed off to bed to await what MS might take from me in the night. During an unusual trip to pee in the night (the sleep which usually follows these out of body things is usually anesthesia-like) I had my first standing outside the body experience since my diagnosing attack.

Rather than being pulled back and up, this time I felt as if my awareness was about nine inches taller than myself and only a bit behind (maybe a couple of inches). It was the weirdest thing; holding onto a wall on one side and the shower on the other and almost looking down on myself from above.

There is sometimes a slight dizziness with this experience. Not a nauseating, spinning kind of dizzy but more a mild earthquake kind of feeling. The room, however, doesn’t shift; it’s my sense of being that takes a rumbling.

As we’ve shared the weird, the frustrating and the scary symptoms of MS here for more years than many of us care to remember, I thought I’d share this one. Anyone else have these feelings that you are leaving your body (or that MS is somehow kicking you out)?

Wishing you and your family the best of health.

Cheers

Trevis
 
This article (linked above ^^^^) touches on the spiritual side of this type of experience but ultimately sides with materialist science...but given the date of 1991, it was even more taboo then than it is now.
I can understand the reasons for not implicating actual separation of brain/mind.


[From NIGHTLIGHT 3(2-3), 1991, Copyright, The Lucidity Institute.]
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OTHER WORLDS: OUT-OF-BODY EXPERIENCES AND LUCID DREAMS
by Lynne Levitan and Stephen LaBerge, Ph.D.
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"Out of body" experiences (OBEs) are personal experiences during which people feel as if they are perceiving the physical world from a location outside of their physical bodies.

At least 5 and perhaps as many as 35 of every 100 people have had an OBE at least once in their lives (Blackmore, 1982).
OBEs are highly arousing; they can be either deeply disturbing or profoundly moving.

Understanding the nature of this widespread and potent experience would no doubt help us better understand the experience of being alive and human.

The simplest explanation is that OBEs are exactly what they seem: the human consciousness separating from the human body and traveling in a discorporate form in the physical world.

Another idea is that they are hallucinations, but this requires an explanation of why so many people have the same delusion.

Some of our experiments have led us to consider the OBE as a natural phenomenon arising out of normal brain processes.

Thus, we believe that the OBE is a mental event that happens to healthy people.
In support of this, psychologists Gabbard and Twemlow (1984) have concluded from surveys and psychological tests that the typical OBE experient is "a close approximation of the 'average healthy American.'" (p. 40)

Our conception, also proposed by the English psychologist Susan Blackmore, is that an OBE begins when a person loses contact with sensory input from the body while remaining conscious (Blackmore, 1988; LaBerge - Lucidity Letter; Levitan - Lucidity Letter).

The person retains the feeling of having a body, but that feeling is no longer derived from data provided by
the senses.

The "out-of-body" person also perceives a world that resembles the world he or she generally inhabits while awake, but this perception does not come from the senses either.

The vivid body and world of the OBE is made possible by our brain’s marvelous ability to create fully convincing images of the world, even in the absence of sensory information.

This process is witnessed by each of us every night in our dreams.
Indeed, all dreams could be called OBEs in that in them we experience events and places quite apart from the real location and activity of our bodies.

WHAT ARE OBES LIKE?

So, we are saying that OBEs may be a kind of dream.
But, even so, they are extraordinary experiences.

The great majority of people who have had OBEs say they are more real than dreams.
Common aspects of the experience include being in an "out-of- body" body much like the physical one, feeling a sense of energy, feeling vibrations, and hearing strange loud noises (Gabbard &
Twemlow, 1984).

Sometimes a sensation of bodily paralysis precedes the OBE (Salley, 1982; Irwin, 1988; Muldoon &
Carrington, 1974; Fox, 1962).

To the sleep researcher, these strange phenomena are remarkably reminiscent of another curious experience, called sleep paralysis.

Sleep paralysis occurs sometimes when a person is waking from or falling into REM sleep, the state in which most vivid dreams occur.

During REM sleep, the muscles of the body, excluding the eye muscles and those responsible for circulation
and respiration, are immobilized by orders from a nerve center in the lower brain.

This prevents us from acting out our dreams.
Occasionally, this paralysis turns on or remains active while the person's mind is fully awake and aware of the world.

Some of the experiences people have reported during sleep paralysis are: "I feel completely removed from myself," “feeling of being separated from my body," "eerie, rushing experiences,” and hearing "hissing in the ears," and "roaring in the head.”

These events appear to be much like the OBE sensations of vibrations, strange noises, and drifting away from the physical body (Everett, 1983).

Fear has also been described as a common component of sleep paralysis (see the "Question and Answer” in NightLight, Vol. 2, No. 1 for a discussion of overcoming fear in
sleep paralysis.)

WHEN DO OBES HAPPEN?

So, it seems possible that at least some OBEs arise from the same conditions as sleep paralysis, and that these two terms may actually be naming two aspects of the same phenomenon.

As a first test of this idea, we should ask how many OBEs actually occur at times when people are likely to experience sleep paralysis -- that is, do OBEs happen when people are lying down, asleep, resting, or while awake and active?

Researchers have approached the question of the timing of OBEs by asking people who claim to have had OBEs to describe when they happened.

In one of these, over 85 percent of those surveyed said they had had OBEs while they were resting, sleeping or dreaming. (Blackmore, 1984)

Other surveys also show that the majority of OBEs occur when people are in bed, ill, or resting, with a smaller percentage coming while the person is drugged or medicated. (Green, 1968; Poynton, 1975; Blackmore, 1983 )

Survey evidence favors the theory that OBEs could arise out of the same conditions as sleep paralysis. There is also considerable evidence that people who tend to have OBEs also tend to have lucid dreams, flying and falling dreams, and the ability to control their dreams (Blackmore, 1983, 1984; Glicksohn, 1989;
Irwin, 1988).

Because of the strong connection between OBEs and lucid dreaming, some researchers in the area have suggested that OBEs are a type of lucid dream (Faraday, 1976; Honegger, 1979; Salley,
1982).

One problem with this argument is that although people who have OBEs are also likely to have lucid dreams, OBEs are far less frequent, and can happen to people who have never had lucid dreams.

Furthermore, OBEs are quite plainly different from lucid dreams in that during a typical OBE the experient is convinced that the OBE is a real event happening in the physical world and not a dream, unlike a lucid dream, in which by definition the dreamer is certain that the event is a dream.

There is an exception that connects the two experiences -- when we feel ourselves leaving the body, but also know that we are dreaming.

In our studies of the physiology of the initiation of lucidity in the dream state, we observed that quite of few of the lucid dreams we collected contained experiences like OBEs.

The dreamers described lying in bed, feeling strange bodily sensations, often vibrations, hearing loud humming noises, and then rising out of body and floating above the bed.

Those studies revealed that lucid dreams have two ways of starting.
In the much more common variety, the "dream-initiated lucid dream" (DILD), the dreamer acquires awareness of being in a dream while fully involved in it.

DILDs occur when dreamers are right in the middle of REM sleep, showing lots of the characteristic rapid eye movements.

We know this is true because our dreamers give a deliberate prearranged eye-movement signal when they realize they are dreaming.

These signals show up on our physiology record, so that we can pinpoint the times when lucidity begins and see what kind of brain state the dreamers were in at those times.

DILDs account for about four out of every five lucid dreams that our dreamers have had in the laboratory.
In the other 20 percent, the dreamers report awakening from a dream and then returning to the dream state with unbroken awareness -- one moment they are aware that they are awake in bed in the sleep laboratory, and the next moment, they are aware that they have entered a dream and are no longer perceiving the room
around them.

We call these "wake initiated lucid dreams" (WILDs).

A casual look at the dream reports and physiological records led us to think that the OBE-type dream content was happening mostly in WILDs.

So, we analyzed the data scientifically in the experiment described below.

THE LABORATORY STUDY

The data we studied consisted of 107 lucid dreams from a total of 14 different people.
The physiological information that we collected in conjunction with each lucid dream always included brain waves, eye-movements, and chin muscle activity.

These measurements are necessary for determining if a person in awake, asleep, and in REM sleep or not. In all cases, the dreamer signaled the beginning of the lucid dream by making a distinct pattern of eye movements that was identifiable by someone not involved with the experiment.

After verifying that all the lucid dreams had eye signals showing that they had happened in REM sleep, we classified them into DILDs and WILDs, based on how long the dreamers had been in REM sleep without awakening before becoming lucid (two minutes or more for DILDs, less that two minutes for WILDs), and on their report of either having realized they were dreaming while involved in a dream (DILD) or having entered the dream directly from waking while retaining lucidity (WILD).

Alongside the physiological analysis we scored each dream report for the presence of various events that are typical of OBEs, such as feelings of body distortion (including paralysis and vibrations), floating or flying, references to being aware of being in bed, being asleep or lying down, and the sensation of leaving the body (for instance, "I was floating out-of-body").

RESULTS: MORE OBE-LIKE EVENTS IN WILDS

Ten of the 107 lucid dreams qualified as OBEs, because the dreamers reported feeling like they had left their bodies in the dream.

Twenty of the lucid dreams were WILDs, and 87 were DILDs.
Five of the OBEs were WILDs (28%) and five were DILDs (6%).

Thus, OBEs were more than four times more likely in WILDs than in DILDs.

The three OBE-related events we looked for also all occurred more often in WILDs than in DILDs.
Almost one third of WILDs contained body distortions, and over a half of them included floating or flying or awareness of being in bed.

This is in comparison to DILDs, of which less than one fifth involved body distortions, only one third included floating or flying, and one fifth contained awareness of bed.

The reports from the five DILDs that we classified as OBEs were actually much like those from the WILD-OBEs.

In both the dreamers felt themselves lying in bed and experiencing strange sensations including paralysis and floating out-of-body.

Although these lucid dreams sound like WILDs, we had classified them as DILDS because the physiological records showed no awakenings preceding lucidity.

However, it is possible that these people could have momentarily become aware of their environments (and
hence been "awake") while continuing to show the brainwaves normally associated with REM sleep.

The science of the EEG is not sufficiently advanced that we can tell what people are experiencing by looking at their brainwaves.

Anecdotes from dream reports indicate that people sometimes become aware of sensations from their sleeping bodies while dreaming -- for example, the dream in which you are trying to run while your legs become heavier and heavier, perhaps because you are feeling their true
immobile condition.

OBES AND WILDS OUTSIDE THE LABORATORY

Our laboratory studies showed us that when OBEs happen in lucid dreams they happen either when a person reenters REM sleep right after an awakening, or right after having become aware of being in bed.

However, we wondered if this relationship would apply to OBEs and lucid dreams that people experience at home, in the "real world."

Not being able to take the sleep lab to the homes of hundreds of people (the DreamLight may soon give us this capacity!), we took a survey about OBEs and other dream-related experiences, somewhat like the past studies referred to earlier.

The difference between our survey and previous ones is that in addition to asking if people had had OBEs, we asked specifically about certain events that we know to be associated with WILDs, namely, lucid dreaming, returning directly to a dream after awakening from it, and sleep paralysis.

A total of 572 people filled out our questionnaire.
They were either students in an introductory psychology course or readers of the NightLight.

About a third of the group reported having had at least one OBE.
Just over 80 percent had had lucid dreams.

Sleep paralysis was reported by 37 percent and 85 percent had been able to return to a dream after awakening.

People who reported more dream-related experiences also reported more OBEs.
For example, of the 452 people claiming to have had lucid dreams, 39 percent also reported OBEs, whereas
only 15 percent of those who did not claim lucid dreams said they had had OBEs.

The group with the most people reporting OBEs (51%) were those who said they had experienced lucid dreams, dream return, and sleep paralysis.

We would expect people who can return directly to dreams after an awakening to be prone to having WILDs, and therefore also to have frequent lucid dreams.

Indeed, in this survey, people reporting frequent dream return also tended to report frequent lucid dreams. Thus, we believe that the fact that dream return frequency was linked with OBE frequency in this study
gives further support to our laboratory research finding that WILDs were associated with OBEs.

WHAT DO WE KNOW NOW?

Our two studies have compared the frequency of OBEs in the two types of lucid dream, and surveyed the relative frequency of OBEs and dream-related events in a large number of people.

We have thereby learned that when OBEs happen during lucid dreams, they generally happen in lucid dreams that arise from brief awakenings in REM sleep, and that people who have certain special
dream experiences are more likely to have OBEs that people who do not.

These dream experiences include returning to the dream state after an awakening, lucid dreaming and sleep paralysis.

Above we described our operating theory that OBEs occur when people lose input from their sense organs, as happens at the onset of sleep, while retaining consciousness.

This combination of events is especially likely when a person passes directly from waking into REM sleep.
In both states the mind is alert and active, but in waking it is processing sensory input from the outside world, while in dreaming it is creating a mental model independent of sensory input.

This model includes a body.
When dreaming, we generally experience ourselves in a body much like the "real" one, because that is what we are used to.

However, our internal senses in the physical body, which when we are awake inform us about our position in space and the movement of our limbs.

This information is cut off in REM sleep.
Therefore, we can dream of doing all kinds of things with our dream bodies -- flying, dancing, running from monsters, being dismembered -- all while our physical bodies lie safely in bed.

During a WILD, or sleep paralysis, the awake and alert mind keeps up its good work of showing us the world it expects is out there -- although it can no longer sense it.

So, then we are in a mental-dream-world.
Possibly we feel the cessation of the sensation of gravity as that part of sensory input shuts down, and then feel that we are suddenly lighter and float up, rising from the place where we know our real body to be lying still.

The room around us looks about the same, because that is our brain’s best guess about where we are.
If we did not know that we had just fallen asleep, we might well think that we were awake, still in touch with the physical world, and that something mighty strange was happening -- a departure of the mind from the
physical body!

The unusual feeling of leaving the body is exciting and alarming.
This, combined with the realistic imagery of the bedroom is enough to account for the conviction of many OBE experients' that "it was too real to be a dream.”

Dreams, too, can be astonishingly real, especially if you are attending to their realness.
Usually, we pass through our dreams without thinking much about them, and upon awakening remember little of them.

Hence, they seem "unreal.”
But waking life is also like that -- our memory for a typical, mundane day is flat and lacking
in detail.

It is only the novel, exciting, or frightening events that leave vivid impressions.
If we stop what we are doing, we can look around and say, "Yes, this world looks solid and real.”

But, if you look back and try to recall, for instance, brushing your teeth this morning, your memory is likely to be vague and not very life-like.

Contrast this to a past event that excited or alarmed you, which is likely to seem much more "real" in
retrospect.

Lucid dreamers often comment to themselves in dreams, “I know this is a dream, but it all seems so incredibly real!”

All this goes to show that the feeling that an event is real does not mean that it is happening in the physical world that we all share when we are awake.

This is not to deny that that inner experiences are real, in that they have deeply profound effects
on our lives.

However, as lucid dreaming so amply demonstrates, we can learn to distinguish between our personal dreams and events in the consensus dream we call physical reality.

When we do, we find that what we thought was one thing -- the waking world -- is actually another -- a dream.

Proof that some or even most OBEs are dreams is not enough to allow us to say that a genuine OBE is impossible.

However, in the interests of lucidity, if you have an OBE, why not test to see if the OBE-world passes the reality test?

Is the room you are in the one you are actually sleeping in?
If you have left your body, where is it?

Do things change when you are not looking at them (or when you are)?
Can you read something twice and have it remain the same on both readings?

If any of your questions and investigations leave you doubting that you are in the physical
world, is it not logical to believe you are dreaming?

Another point to consider is that a dream doesn't always have to happen in REM sleep.
Most do, but there are probably quite a few other conditions in which people can lose touch with sensory experience and enter a mental world.

Some such states that we know of are hypnotic trance, anesthesia, and sensory isolation.
OBEs have been reported from these states (Nash et al., 1984; Olson, 1988).

Thus, the argument that an OBE cannot be a dream because the experient wasn't asleep doesn't hold water.

THE "IN-THE-BODY" EXPERIENCE

To end this discussion of the origins of the OBE, an event considered unbelievable by many and metaphysical by others, let’s consider the state of affairs that is considered normal: the “in- the-body" experience.

What does it mean to be in a body?
Saying that one is in a body implies that the self is an object with definite borders capable of being contained by the boundaries of another object -- the physical body.

However, we do not have any evidence that the self is such a concrete thing.
What we think of as "out-of-body" in an OBE is the experience of the self.

This experience of being "in" a body is normally based on perceptual input from the senses of both the world external to the body and the processes within the body.

These give us a sense of localization of the self in space.
However, it is the body, and its sense organs, that occupy a specific locus, not the self.

The self is not the body or the brain.
If we think that the self is a product of brain function, even this does not make it reasonable to state that the self is in the brain -- is the meaning contained in these words in this page?

It may not make any sense on an objective level to say that the self is anywhere.
Rather, the self is where it feels itself to be.

Its location is purely subjective and derived from input from the sensory organs.

Putting aside the question of the essential nature of the self, perception is undeniably a phenomenon tied to brain function.

So, when we find ourselves experiencing a world that seems much like the one we are used to perceiving with our usual equipment -- eyes, ears, etc., all things linked to our brains, it would be logical to assume that it is our usual brain creating the experience.

And, if we were to really leave our bodies -- severing all connection with them -- it would be illogical to assume that we would see the world in the same way.

Therefore, although no amount of contradictory evidence can rule out the possibility of a real "out of body experience," in which an individual exists in some form entirely independent of the body, it is highly unlikely that such a form would utilize perceptual systems identical to those of the physical human form.

Spiritual teachings tell us that we have a reality beyond that of this world.
The OBE may not be, as it is easily interpreted, a literal separation of the soul from the crude physical body, but it is an indication of the vastness of the potential that lies wholly within our minds.

The worlds we create in dreams and OBEs are as real as this one, and yet hold infinitely more variety.
How much more exhilarating to be “out- of-body" in a world where the only limit is the imagination than to be in the physical world in a powerless body of ether!

Freed of the constraints imposed by physical life, expanded by awareness that limits can be transcended, who knows what we could be, or become?


REFERENCES

Blackmore, S. (1983). Beyond the body. London: Granada.

Blackmore, S. (1984). A postal survey of OBEs and other experiences.
Journal of the Society for Psychical Research, 52: 227-244.

Blackmore, S. (1988). A theory of lucid dreams and OBEs. In
Gackenbach, J. and LaBerge, S., (Eds.), Conscious Mind, Sleeping
Brain, p. 373-387. New York: Plenum.

Everett, H. C. (1963). Sleep paralysis in medical students.
Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease, 136: 283-287.

Eysenck, M. W. (1982). Attention and arousal. Berlin:
Springer-Verlag.

Faraday, A. (1976). The dream game. Harmondsworth, England:
Penguin.

Fox, O., quoted in Muldoon, S. & Carrington, H. (1974). The
Projection of the Astral Body, p. 35. New York: Samuel Weiser.
Gabbard, G. O. and Twemlow, S. W. (1984). With the eyes of
the mind. New York: Praeger.

Glicksohn, J. (1989). The structure of subjective experience:
Interdependencies along the sleep-wakefulness continuum. Journal
of Mental Imagery, 13: 99-106.

Green, C. E. (1968). Out-of-the-body experiences. London:
Hamish Hamilton.

Honegger, B. (1979). Correspondence. Parapsychology Review,
10: 24-26.

Irwin, H. J. (1981a). Some psychological dimensions of the
out-of-body experience. Parapsychology Review, 12: 1-6.

Irwin, H. J. (1988). Out-of-the-body experiences and dream
lucidity. In Gackenbach, J. and LaBerge, S., (Eds.), Conscious
Mind, Sleeping Brain, p. 353-371. New York: Plenum.

LaBerge, S. (1986). Lucid dreaming. New York: Ballantine.

LaBerge, S. Levitan, L., Brylowski, A., and Dement. W. C.
(1988). "Out-of-body" experiences occurring in REM sleep
(abstract). Sleep Research, 17: 115.

LaBerge, S. unpublished data

LaBerge, S., Levitan, L., and Dement, W.C. (1986). Lucid
dreaming: Physiological correlates of consciousness during REM
sleep. Journal of Mind and Behavior, 7: 251-258.

LaBerge. S. (1986). Lucid dreaming. New York: Ballantine.

Levitan, L. Lucidity Letter

McKellar, P. (1957). Imagination and thinking. New York:
Basic Books.

Muldoon, S. & Carrington, H. (1974). The Projection of the
Astral Body, p. 35. New York: Samuel Weiser.

Nash, M. R., Lynn, S. J., and Stanley, S. M. (1984). The
direct hypnotic suggestions of altered mind/body perception.
American Journal of Clinical Hypnosis, 27: 95-102.

Olson, M. (1988). The incidence of out-of-body experiences in
hospitalized patients. Journal of Near-Death Studies, 6: 169-174.

Poynton, J. C. (1975). Results of an out-of-the-body survey.
In Poynton, J. C. (ed.) Parapsychology in South Africa.
Johannesburg: South African Society for Psychical Research.

Salley, R. D. (1982). REM sleep phenomena during out-of-body
experiences. Journal of the American Society for Psychical
Research, 76: 157-165.

Zubeck, J.P., Pushkar, D., Sansom, W. & Gowing, J. (1961).
Perceptual changes after prolonged sensory isolation (darkness
and silence). Canadian Journal of Psychology, 15: 83-100.

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This article (linked above ^^^^) touches on the spiritual side of this type of experience but ultimately sides with materialist science...but given the date of 1991, it was even more taboo then than it is now.
I can understand the reasons for not implicating actual separation of brain/mind.


[From NIGHTLIGHT 3(2-3), 1991, Copyright, The Lucidity Institute.]
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OTHER WORLDS: OUT-OF-BODY EXPERIENCES AND LUCID DREAMS
by Lynne Levitan and Stephen LaBerge, Ph.D.
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"Out of body" experiences (OBEs) are personal experiences during which people feel as if they are perceiving the physical world from a location outside of their physical bodies.

At least 5 and perhaps as many as 35 of every 100 people have had an OBE at least once in their lives (Blackmore, 1982).
OBEs are highly arousing; they can be either deeply disturbing or profoundly moving.

Understanding the nature of this widespread and potent experience would no doubt help us better understand the experience of being alive and human.

The simplest explanation is that OBEs are exactly what they seem: the human consciousness separating from the human body and traveling in a discorporate form in the physical world.

Another idea is that they are hallucinations, but this requires an explanation of why so many people have the same delusion.

Some of our experiments have led us to consider the OBE as a natural phenomenon arising out of normal brain processes.

Thus, we believe that the OBE is a mental event that happens to healthy people.
In support of this, psychologists Gabbard and Twemlow (1984) have concluded from surveys and psychological tests that the typical OBE experient is "a close approximation of the 'average healthy American.'" (p. 40)

Our conception, also proposed by the English psychologist Susan Blackmore, is that an OBE begins when a person loses contact with sensory input from the body while remaining conscious (Blackmore, 1988; LaBerge - Lucidity Letter; Levitan - Lucidity Letter).

The person retains the feeling of having a body, but that feeling is no longer derived from data provided by
the senses.

The "out-of-body" person also perceives a world that resembles the world he or she generally inhabits while awake, but this perception does not come from the senses either.

The vivid body and world of the OBE is made possible by our brain’s marvelous ability to create fully convincing images of the world, even in the absence of sensory information.

This process is witnessed by each of us every night in our dreams.
Indeed, all dreams could be called OBEs in that in them we experience events and places quite apart from the real location and activity of our bodies.

WHAT ARE OBES LIKE?

So, we are saying that OBEs may be a kind of dream.
But, even so, they are extraordinary experiences.

The great majority of people who have had OBEs say they are more real than dreams.
Common aspects of the experience include being in an "out-of- body" body much like the physical one, feeling a sense of energy, feeling vibrations, and hearing strange loud noises (Gabbard &
Twemlow, 1984).

Sometimes a sensation of bodily paralysis precedes the OBE (Salley, 1982; Irwin, 1988; Muldoon &
Carrington, 1974; Fox, 1962).

To the sleep researcher, these strange phenomena are remarkably reminiscent of another curious experience, called sleep paralysis.

Sleep paralysis occurs sometimes when a person is waking from or falling into REM sleep, the state in which most vivid dreams occur.

During REM sleep, the muscles of the body, excluding the eye muscles and those responsible for circulation
and respiration, are immobilized by orders from a nerve center in the lower brain.

This prevents us from acting out our dreams.
Occasionally, this paralysis turns on or remains active while the person's mind is fully awake and aware of the world.

Some of the experiences people have reported during sleep paralysis are: "I feel completely removed from myself," “feeling of being separated from my body," "eerie, rushing experiences,” and hearing "hissing in the ears," and "roaring in the head.”

These events appear to be much like the OBE sensations of vibrations, strange noises, and drifting away from the physical body (Everett, 1983).

Fear has also been described as a common component of sleep paralysis (see the "Question and Answer” in NightLight, Vol. 2, No. 1 for a discussion of overcoming fear in
sleep paralysis.)

WHEN DO OBES HAPPEN?

So, it seems possible that at least some OBEs arise from the same conditions as sleep paralysis, and that these two terms may actually be naming two aspects of the same phenomenon.

As a first test of this idea, we should ask how many OBEs actually occur at times when people are likely to experience sleep paralysis -- that is, do OBEs happen when people are lying down, asleep, resting, or while awake and active?

Researchers have approached the question of the timing of OBEs by asking people who claim to have had OBEs to describe when they happened.

In one of these, over 85 percent of those surveyed said they had had OBEs while they were resting, sleeping or dreaming. (Blackmore, 1984)

Other surveys also show that the majority of OBEs occur when people are in bed, ill, or resting, with a smaller percentage coming while the person is drugged or medicated. (Green, 1968; Poynton, 1975; Blackmore, 1983 )

Survey evidence favors the theory that OBEs could arise out of the same conditions as sleep paralysis. There is also considerable evidence that people who tend to have OBEs also tend to have lucid dreams, flying and falling dreams, and the ability to control their dreams (Blackmore, 1983, 1984; Glicksohn, 1989;
Irwin, 1988).

Because of the strong connection between OBEs and lucid dreaming, some researchers in the area have suggested that OBEs are a type of lucid dream (Faraday, 1976; Honegger, 1979; Salley,
1982).

One problem with this argument is that although people who have OBEs are also likely to have lucid dreams, OBEs are far less frequent, and can happen to people who have never had lucid dreams.

Furthermore, OBEs are quite plainly different from lucid dreams in that during a typical OBE the experient is convinced that the OBE is a real event happening in the physical world and not a dream, unlike a lucid dream, in which by definition the dreamer is certain that the event is a dream.

There is an exception that connects the two experiences -- when we feel ourselves leaving the body, but also know that we are dreaming.

In our studies of the physiology of the initiation of lucidity in the dream state, we observed that quite of few of the lucid dreams we collected contained experiences like OBEs.

The dreamers described lying in bed, feeling strange bodily sensations, often vibrations, hearing loud humming noises, and then rising out of body and floating above the bed.

Those studies revealed that lucid dreams have two ways of starting.
In the much more common variety, the "dream-initiated lucid dream" (DILD), the dreamer acquires awareness of being in a dream while fully involved in it.

DILDs occur when dreamers are right in the middle of REM sleep, showing lots of the characteristic rapid eye movements.

We know this is true because our dreamers give a deliberate prearranged eye-movement signal when they realize they are dreaming.

These signals show up on our physiology record, so that we can pinpoint the times when lucidity begins and see what kind of brain state the dreamers were in at those times.

DILDs account for about four out of every five lucid dreams that our dreamers have had in the laboratory.
In the other 20 percent, the dreamers report awakening from a dream and then returning to the dream state with unbroken awareness -- one moment they are aware that they are awake in bed in the sleep laboratory, and the next moment, they are aware that they have entered a dream and are no longer perceiving the room
around them.

We call these "wake initiated lucid dreams" (WILDs).

A casual look at the dream reports and physiological records led us to think that the OBE-type dream content was happening mostly in WILDs.

So, we analyzed the data scientifically in the experiment described below.

THE LABORATORY STUDY

The data we studied consisted of 107 lucid dreams from a total of 14 different people.
The physiological information that we collected in conjunction with each lucid dream always included brain waves, eye-movements, and chin muscle activity.

These measurements are necessary for determining if a person in awake, asleep, and in REM sleep or not. In all cases, the dreamer signaled the beginning of the lucid dream by making a distinct pattern of eye movements that was identifiable by someone not involved with the experiment.

After verifying that all the lucid dreams had eye signals showing that they had happened in REM sleep, we classified them into DILDs and WILDs, based on how long the dreamers had been in REM sleep without awakening before becoming lucid (two minutes or more for DILDs, less that two minutes for WILDs), and on their report of either having realized they were dreaming while involved in a dream (DILD) or having entered the dream directly from waking while retaining lucidity (WILD).

Alongside the physiological analysis we scored each dream report for the presence of various events that are typical of OBEs, such as feelings of body distortion (including paralysis and vibrations), floating or flying, references to being aware of being in bed, being asleep or lying down, and the sensation of leaving the body (for instance, "I was floating out-of-body").

RESULTS: MORE OBE-LIKE EVENTS IN WILDS

Ten of the 107 lucid dreams qualified as OBEs, because the dreamers reported feeling like they had left their bodies in the dream.

Twenty of the lucid dreams were WILDs, and 87 were DILDs.
Five of the OBEs were WILDs (28%) and five were DILDs (6%).

Thus, OBEs were more than four times more likely in WILDs than in DILDs.

The three OBE-related events we looked for also all occurred more often in WILDs than in DILDs.
Almost one third of WILDs contained body distortions, and over a half of them included floating or flying or awareness of being in bed.

This is in comparison to DILDs, of which less than one fifth involved body distortions, only one third included floating or flying, and one fifth contained awareness of bed.

The reports from the five DILDs that we classified as OBEs were actually much like those from the WILD-OBEs.

In both the dreamers felt themselves lying in bed and experiencing strange sensations including paralysis and floating out-of-body.

Although these lucid dreams sound like WILDs, we had classified them as DILDS because the physiological records showed no awakenings preceding lucidity.

However, it is possible that these people could have momentarily become aware of their environments (and
hence been "awake") while continuing to show the brainwaves normally associated with REM sleep.

The science of the EEG is not sufficiently advanced that we can tell what people are experiencing by looking at their brainwaves.

Anecdotes from dream reports indicate that people sometimes become aware of sensations from their sleeping bodies while dreaming -- for example, the dream in which you are trying to run while your legs become heavier and heavier, perhaps because you are feeling their true
immobile condition.

OBES AND WILDS OUTSIDE THE LABORATORY

Our laboratory studies showed us that when OBEs happen in lucid dreams they happen either when a person reenters REM sleep right after an awakening, or right after having become aware of being in bed.

However, we wondered if this relationship would apply to OBEs and lucid dreams that people experience at home, in the "real world."

Not being able to take the sleep lab to the homes of hundreds of people (the DreamLight may soon give us this capacity!), we took a survey about OBEs and other dream-related experiences, somewhat like the past studies referred to earlier.

The difference between our survey and previous ones is that in addition to asking if people had had OBEs, we asked specifically about certain events that we know to be associated with WILDs, namely, lucid dreaming, returning directly to a dream after awakening from it, and sleep paralysis.

A total of 572 people filled out our questionnaire.
They were either students in an introductory psychology course or readers of the NightLight.

About a third of the group reported having had at least one OBE.
Just over 80 percent had had lucid dreams.

Sleep paralysis was reported by 37 percent and 85 percent had been able to return to a dream after awakening.

People who reported more dream-related experiences also reported more OBEs.
For example, of the 452 people claiming to have had lucid dreams, 39 percent also reported OBEs, whereas
only 15 percent of those who did not claim lucid dreams said they had had OBEs.

The group with the most people reporting OBEs (51%) were those who said they had experienced lucid dreams, dream return, and sleep paralysis.

We would expect people who can return directly to dreams after an awakening to be prone to having WILDs, and therefore also to have frequent lucid dreams.

Indeed, in this survey, people reporting frequent dream return also tended to report frequent lucid dreams. Thus, we believe that the fact that dream return frequency was linked with OBE frequency in this study
gives further support to our laboratory research finding that WILDs were associated with OBEs.

WHAT DO WE KNOW NOW?

Our two studies have compared the frequency of OBEs in the two types of lucid dream, and surveyed the relative frequency of OBEs and dream-related events in a large number of people.

We have thereby learned that when OBEs happen during lucid dreams, they generally happen in lucid dreams that arise from brief awakenings in REM sleep, and that people who have certain special
dream experiences are more likely to have OBEs that people who do not.

These dream experiences include returning to the dream state after an awakening, lucid dreaming and sleep paralysis.

Above we described our operating theory that OBEs occur when people lose input from their sense organs, as happens at the onset of sleep, while retaining consciousness.

This combination of events is especially likely when a person passes directly from waking into REM sleep.
In both states the mind is alert and active, but in waking it is processing sensory input from the outside world, while in dreaming it is creating a mental model independent of sensory input.

This model includes a body.
When dreaming, we generally experience ourselves in a body much like the "real" one, because that is what we are used to.

However, our internal senses in the physical body, which when we are awake inform us about our position in space and the movement of our limbs.

This information is cut off in REM sleep.
Therefore, we can dream of doing all kinds of things with our dream bodies -- flying, dancing, running from monsters, being dismembered -- all while our physical bodies lie safely in bed.

During a WILD, or sleep paralysis, the awake and alert mind keeps up its good work of showing us the world it expects is out there -- although it can no longer sense it.

So, then we are in a mental-dream-world.
Possibly we feel the cessation of the sensation of gravity as that part of sensory input shuts down, and then feel that we are suddenly lighter and float up, rising from the place where we know our real body to be lying still.

The room around us looks about the same, because that is our brain’s best guess about where we are.
If we did not know that we had just fallen asleep, we might well think that we were awake, still in touch with the physical world, and that something mighty strange was happening -- a departure of the mind from the
physical body!

The unusual feeling of leaving the body is exciting and alarming.
This, combined with the realistic imagery of the bedroom is enough to account for the conviction of many OBE experients' that "it was too real to be a dream.”

Dreams, too, can be astonishingly real, especially if you are attending to their realness.
Usually, we pass through our dreams without thinking much about them, and upon awakening remember little of them.

Hence, they seem "unreal.”
But waking life is also like that -- our memory for a typical, mundane day is flat and lacking
in detail.

It is only the novel, exciting, or frightening events that leave vivid impressions.
If we stop what we are doing, we can look around and say, "Yes, this world looks solid and real.”

But, if you look back and try to recall, for instance, brushing your teeth this morning, your memory is likely to be vague and not very life-like.

Contrast this to a past event that excited or alarmed you, which is likely to seem much more "real" in
retrospect.

Lucid dreamers often comment to themselves in dreams, “I know this is a dream, but it all seems so incredibly real!”

All this goes to show that the feeling that an event is real does not mean that it is happening in the physical world that we all share when we are awake.

This is not to deny that that inner experiences are real, in that they have deeply profound effects
on our lives.

However, as lucid dreaming so amply demonstrates, we can learn to distinguish between our personal dreams and events in the consensus dream we call physical reality.

When we do, we find that what we thought was one thing -- the waking world -- is actually another -- a dream.

Proof that some or even most OBEs are dreams is not enough to allow us to say that a genuine OBE is impossible.

However, in the interests of lucidity, if you have an OBE, why not test to see if the OBE-world passes the reality test?

Is the room you are in the one you are actually sleeping in?
If you have left your body, where is it?

Do things change when you are not looking at them (or when you are)?
Can you read something twice and have it remain the same on both readings?

If any of your questions and investigations leave you doubting that you are in the physical
world, is it not logical to believe you are dreaming?

Another point to consider is that a dream doesn't always have to happen in REM sleep.
Most do, but there are probably quite a few other conditions in which people can lose touch with sensory experience and enter a mental world.

Some such states that we know of are hypnotic trance, anesthesia, and sensory isolation.
OBEs have been reported from these states (Nash et al., 1984; Olson, 1988).

Thus, the argument that an OBE cannot be a dream because the experient wasn't asleep doesn't hold water.

THE "IN-THE-BODY" EXPERIENCE

To end this discussion of the origins of the OBE, an event considered unbelievable by many and metaphysical by others, let’s consider the state of affairs that is considered normal: the “in- the-body" experience.

What does it mean to be in a body?
Saying that one is in a body implies that the self is an object with definite borders capable of being contained by the boundaries of another object -- the physical body.

However, we do not have any evidence that the self is such a concrete thing.
What we think of as "out-of-body" in an OBE is the experience of the self.

This experience of being "in" a body is normally based on perceptual input from the senses of both the world external to the body and the processes within the body.

These give us a sense of localization of the self in space.
However, it is the body, and its sense organs, that occupy a specific locus, not the self.

The self is not the body or the brain.
If we think that the self is a product of brain function, even this does not make it reasonable to state that the self is in the brain -- is the meaning contained in these words in this page?

It may not make any sense on an objective level to say that the self is anywhere.
Rather, the self is where it feels itself to be.

Its location is purely subjective and derived from input from the sensory organs.

Putting aside the question of the essential nature of the self, perception is undeniably a phenomenon tied to brain function.

So, when we find ourselves experiencing a world that seems much like the one we are used to perceiving with our usual equipment -- eyes, ears, etc., all things linked to our brains, it would be logical to assume that it is our usual brain creating the experience.

And, if we were to really leave our bodies -- severing all connection with them -- it would be illogical to assume that we would see the world in the same way.

Therefore, although no amount of contradictory evidence can rule out the possibility of a real "out of body experience," in which an individual exists in some form entirely independent of the body, it is highly unlikely that such a form would utilize perceptual systems identical to those of the physical human form.

Spiritual teachings tell us that we have a reality beyond that of this world.
The OBE may not be, as it is easily interpreted, a literal separation of the soul from the crude physical body, but it is an indication of the vastness of the potential that lies wholly within our minds.

The worlds we create in dreams and OBEs are as real as this one, and yet hold infinitely more variety.
How much more exhilarating to be “out- of-body" in a world where the only limit is the imagination than to be in the physical world in a powerless body of ether!

Freed of the constraints imposed by physical life, expanded by awareness that limits can be transcended, who knows what we could be, or become?


REFERENCES

Blackmore, S. (1983). Beyond the body. London: Granada.

Blackmore, S. (1984). A postal survey of OBEs and other experiences.
Journal of the Society for Psychical Research, 52: 227-244.

Blackmore, S. (1988). A theory of lucid dreams and OBEs. In
Gackenbach, J. and LaBerge, S., (Eds.), Conscious Mind, Sleeping
Brain, p. 373-387. New York: Plenum.

Everett, H. C. (1963). Sleep paralysis in medical students.
Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease, 136: 283-287.

Eysenck, M. W. (1982). Attention and arousal. Berlin:
Springer-Verlag.

Faraday, A. (1976). The dream game. Harmondsworth, England:
Penguin.

Fox, O., quoted in Muldoon, S. & Carrington, H. (1974). The
Projection of the Astral Body, p. 35. New York: Samuel Weiser.
Gabbard, G. O. and Twemlow, S. W. (1984). With the eyes of
the mind. New York: Praeger.

Glicksohn, J. (1989). The structure of subjective experience:
Interdependencies along the sleep-wakefulness continuum. Journal
of Mental Imagery, 13: 99-106.

Green, C. E. (1968). Out-of-the-body experiences. London:
Hamish Hamilton.

Honegger, B. (1979). Correspondence. Parapsychology Review,
10: 24-26.

Irwin, H. J. (1981a). Some psychological dimensions of the
out-of-body experience. Parapsychology Review, 12: 1-6.

Irwin, H. J. (1988). Out-of-the-body experiences and dream
lucidity. In Gackenbach, J. and LaBerge, S., (Eds.), Conscious
Mind, Sleeping Brain, p. 353-371. New York: Plenum.

LaBerge, S. (1986). Lucid dreaming. New York: Ballantine.

LaBerge, S. Levitan, L., Brylowski, A., and Dement. W. C.
(1988). "Out-of-body" experiences occurring in REM sleep
(abstract). Sleep Research, 17: 115.

LaBerge, S. unpublished data

LaBerge, S., Levitan, L., and Dement, W.C. (1986). Lucid
dreaming: Physiological correlates of consciousness during REM
sleep. Journal of Mind and Behavior, 7: 251-258.

LaBerge. S. (1986). Lucid dreaming. New York: Ballantine.

Levitan, L. Lucidity Letter

McKellar, P. (1957). Imagination and thinking. New York:
Basic Books.

Muldoon, S. & Carrington, H. (1974). The Projection of the
Astral Body, p. 35. New York: Samuel Weiser.

Nash, M. R., Lynn, S. J., and Stanley, S. M. (1984). The
direct hypnotic suggestions of altered mind/body perception.
American Journal of Clinical Hypnosis, 27: 95-102.

Olson, M. (1988). The incidence of out-of-body experiences in
hospitalized patients. Journal of Near-Death Studies, 6: 169-174.

Poynton, J. C. (1975). Results of an out-of-the-body survey.
In Poynton, J. C. (ed.) Parapsychology in South Africa.
Johannesburg: South African Society for Psychical Research.

Salley, R. D. (1982). REM sleep phenomena during out-of-body
experiences. Journal of the American Society for Psychical
Research, 76: 157-165.

Zubeck, J.P., Pushkar, D., Sansom, W. & Gowing, J. (1961).
Perceptual changes after prolonged sensory isolation (darkness
and silence). Canadian Journal of Psychology, 15: 83-100.

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Very interesting article. I think the author does make a cogent point on how we shouldn't perceive reality in the same way if we actually disconnect from our bodies. The world should look far different if we're not limited to human eyes. Though perhaps our consciousness filters reality so it can make sense to us. We still know so little about OBEs, but I'm glad there's people researching it rather than ignoring it or rationalizing it away.
 
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“This base is huge and it’s no wonder why we hear about so many UFO sightings over Mexico,” he writes. “This base is just 45 miles away from the Mexican coast. The chances of this being an intelligently-made structure… I put that at 100 percent.”

It’s interesting to note the similarity between the structure’s arrangement and that of an airport’s landing strips when viewed from above. However, the sheer size of the tubular structures that make up the underwater network means they must have served a different purpose. It is unfortunate that we might never know what that purpose was, but unless the scientific community decides to investigate the matter in a thorough, transparent way, we’ll remain clueless. Coordinates for the underwater base here.

The second place of interest can be found near the coast of Venezuela, halfway between Curacao and Puerto Rico (Coordinates here). It has an even stranger, more discrepant architecture consisting of zigzag lines. In terms of size, it is just as massive as the one from the Gulf of California, measuring approximately 90 miles from tip to tip. But the strangest characteristic has to be its shape. What geological processes could have produced such an odd contour, exhibiting symmetry, straight lines and 90-degree angles? Is it even reasonable to comfortably assume this underwater structure is natural?

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Furthermore, the mystery is compounded by another set of structural artifacts resting just 50 miles northeast of the Venezuela anomaly (coordinates). Due to its proximity, this secondary irregularity appears to be connected to the first one. Images suggest it is composed of a string of rectangular structures spread across the ocean floor in a straight line. Virtually nothing is known about these mysterious sunken objects, save for the fact that they must be huge. They are located quite close to the Bermuda Triangle’s southernmost tip but there isn’t enough data for a connection to be made.

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The enigma of the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena wouldn’t be complete without taking into account USOs or unidentified submerged objects. It is very possible that UFOs and USOs are the same craft, the only difference being that the latter have been spotted entering or exiting aquatic environments. Since it makes sense for an extraterrestrial presence to place its base and perform its activities undisturbed by human eyes, what place could be better than the bottom of the ocean? If UFOs are capable of traversing cosmic distances with the help of faster than light travel, surviving the pressure of the oceanic depths seems an easy task.

So if Earth’s seas and oceans are harboring otherworldly visitors, could these two anomalies be still operational? If so, they could be responsible for the numerous UFO sightings reported on or around the American continents. These places would make a great starting point in our search for alien life here on Earth. Even if they were operational a long time ago and have since been deserted, compelling evidence could still be found.

If the structures are artificial but were not made by aliens, the mystery shifts but retains its intensity. Our current technological level wouldn’t allow us to build such complex underwater constructions, meaning that whoever built them was far more advanced than we are. Both of the areas where the anomalies were discovered have been submerged for millions of years and the dynamics of the seabed would have erased all signs of their existence had they been built before the area was covered with water.

In the end, no-one can say for sure what these structures are and, until someone goes on an underwater expedition James Cameron style, the puzzle will remain unanswered.

http://www.ewao.com/a/two-enormous-underwater-bases-discovered/
http://www.theeventchronicle.com/me...s-sunken-alien-bases-discovered-google-earth/


The video was interesting. When the horizontal strip is measured in Google Earth, it has roughly the length 129 km (80 miles). That is about 3x marathons. That cannot be a coincidence. A marathon must a universal unit of measurement somehow. Right?

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The 3 Types of Telepathy, Including Soul-to-Soul Telepathy

Telepathy has been recognized since the 19th century, when scientists first validated two different types. These included instinctual telepathy, which is mostly feeling based, and mind-to-mind telepathy, which is largely mental-based.

However, there is a third type of telepathy, a higher type of telepathy, according to Ageless Wisdom teachings, and it’s called soul-to-soul spiritual telepathy.

Instinctual telepathy

If we had to place the different types of telepathy on a hierarchy, instinctual telepathy would lie at the bottom. This type of telepathy is widely prominent in the animal kingdom and is still considered a normal way to communicate among some indigenous cultures.

Instinctual telepathy is mostly experienced when an individual recognizes the feelings or needs of another person even though they are some distance apart. This mostly happens between people who share a strong emotional bond, like parents and children, married partners, and best friends.

Mental telepathy

Mental telepathy is what most people think of when they hear the word ‘telepathy’. Being able to speak to another person by simply thinking of the words you want to say and then wanting to send that message to them.

This is not like trance channeling, the process of using a disembodied entity as a medium through which to communicate. Mental telepathy happens between two fully conscious people.

Spiritual telepathy

Spiritual telepathy, or soul-to-soul telepathy, is the highest form of telepathy. And it is only possible when an individual has managed to connect the mind, brain, and soul. When a person does this, they gain the ability to navigate between physical and spiritual realms. In order to build these connections, one must be adept at creative meditation.

Spiritual telepathy is widely believed to be used by ‘The Masters’ to guide the evolution of our planet. Because they cannot directly influence or control the different forms of life on Earth, they use individuals who have mastered spiritual telepathy to anchor their information and wisdom on Earth.

http://expandedconsciousness.com/20...f-telepathy-including-soul-to-soul-telepathy/
 
This is really cool to see. I wonder if deaf people will be one of the first ones to use telepathy irl? I am keenly interested in seeing it develop for everyone.

That depends really. If telepathy is only auditory and not visual, I think that it will work without upsetting the status quo. You see, current communication is auditory and is based on grammar and logic - i.e. it resides in the left hemisphere of the brain. If communication is based on images, it will reside in the right hemisphere and be based on feelings.

Now, imagine a future scenario where you are in a room 'telepathing' with friends and in comes an INFP saying 'hey, that image does not express the correct feeling'. In the same situation, in case of auditory communication, an INTP would 'hey, that is not grammatically correct'.

We INTPs do not want to lose our monopoly of correcting people. That is our subtle gunboat diplomacy of expressing Machiavellian power.
 
David: Now, some people are going to go, “Whoa, whoa, hold on. Trump? Why do they care about Trump? What's their opinion on Trump?”

Corey: Well, they care about Trump and Sanders big time. They've been extremely excited about the movement behind both of them – people standing up to the-powers-that-be saying, “Enough corruption, enough lies”.

David: So they don't think Trump is, with all his money, that he's Cabal?

Corey: Correct.

David: They think he's actually totally different from that.

Corey: Right. Yeah. And they were not pushing him over Sanders or Sanders . . . They were just very happy about the movement.

David: I have had other insiders independently tell me that the Cabal feels that if Trump wins that it would be catastrophic for them.

Corey: I was told that there is no way they're going to let him win. They'll steal the election - whatever they have to do.

David: Wow!

http://www.spherebeingalliance.com/...sure-veiled-threats-and-open-disclosures.html



While I’m beating my opponents in the polls, I’m also beating lobbyists, special interests & donors that are supporting them with billions.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 28, 2015

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/donald-trumps-so-rich-i-cant-be-bought-120743


There is no price tag on Trump. How infuriating to the Looneynati. :m037:
 
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That depends really. If telepathy is only auditory and not visual, I think that it will work without upsetting the status quo. You see, current communication is auditory and is based on grammar and logic - i.e. it resides in the left hemisphere of the brain. If communication is based on images, it will reside in the right hemisphere and be based on feelings.

Now, imagine a future scenario where you are in a room 'telepathing' with friends and in comes an INFP saying 'hey, that image does not express the correct feeling'. In the same situation, in case of auditory communication, an INTP would 'hey, that is not grammatically correct'.

We INTPs do not want to lose our monopoly of correcting people. That is our subtle gunboat diplomacy of expressing Machiavellian power.

Bahahahaha.....

I haven't read your post on Telepathy yet...but will say based upon my own experiences the telepathic connection in that moment contains all of those elements of communication. Words. Images. and Feelings.
 
David: Now, some people are going to go, “Whoa, whoa, hold on. Trump? Why do they care about Trump? What's their opinion on Trump?”

Corey: Well, they care about Trump and Sanders big time. They've been extremely excited about the movement behind both of them – people standing up to the-powers-that-be saying, “Enough corruption, enough lies”.

David: So they don't think Trump is, with all his money, that he's Cabal?

Corey: Correct.

David: They think he's actually totally different from that.

Corey: Right. Yeah. And they were not pushing him over Sanders or Sanders . . . They were just very happy about the movement.

David: I have had other insiders independently tell me that the Cabal feels that if Trump wins that it would be catastrophic for them.

Corey: I was told that there is no way they're going to let him win. They'll steal the election - whatever they have to do.

David: Wow!

http://www.spherebeingalliance.com/...sure-veiled-threats-and-open-disclosures.html



While I’m beating my opponents in the polls, I’m also beating lobbyists, special interests & donors that are supporting them with billions.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 28, 2015

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/donald-trumps-so-rich-i-cant-be-bought-120743


There is no price tag on Trump. How infuriating to the Looneynati. :m037:

I imagine it's causing some of them to leak in their panties... hahahahaha....

Now that Bernie is out I am seeing a whole lot of Democratic broken hearts all around me....and am watching with interest as their eyes are being opened to all of the lying and corruption they're watching unfold before them. Yes. I too was excited to see so many align with Sanders. It meant the "business as usual" people were starting to say "Whoa! Hold on now! Do I really want to line up with people who cheat, lie, and steal....just in order to win an election? What kind of people are those?"....and so on.
Also... it sends a clear message to the Universe we...in the US....are mighty tired of the same old ways of doing things and we're ready for real change.

I knew Bernie would never get in and/or win. If he did... the system would still continue to operate with only minor hiccups. I mean the president of the us really doesn't have that much power anyway. If the looneynati are frustrated and concerned about who wins the presidency...that suggests to me they have lost their power on the inside of Washington....and need a trusted one of their own to get in to help maintain it. Hah!
This sure is interesting.
 
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