PCs vs. Macs: A Cultured Smackdown

Sali said:
You can plug any usb mouse into a mac...

also they've been able to right click for years and years.
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...Does anything actually happen when you right-click in a mac OS?

I'm just used to pc's. Used to dos, then windows etc. I could care less for Jobs or Gates.
 
Sloe Djinn said:
...Does anything actually happen when you right-click in a mac OS?

I'm just used to pc's. Used to dos, then windows etc. I could care less for Jobs or Gates.
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Same thing as windows I presume. Before that it was alt-click that did the same thing.

And yes I tend to agree, I just use what I'm used to. I'm not real big into computers or anything. This thread just seems like it was made for debate. lol.
 
Blind Bandit said:
And I don't like apple as a company anymore.
I loved mac back when it was actually about getting work done not about flash.
And sadly everything they do now is about flash and trendiness.
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For those capable of discerning the Hardware from software and Eyewash from functionality one CAN run whole other OSes on the Apple Mac just as with hardware which runs WinBlows.
To wit, the folks at Ubuntu have come up with a way to store Ubuntu Linux within a file on a machine infected with Windows.
On wikipedia page for Wubi it says
A version for the Mac OS as host, Mubi, "will eventually be supported."[1]
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Though I don't have Mac hardware to try it, I'm pretty sure one can `dual boot' and run `live distros' on Macs.
I'll leave it for an actual Mac user to confirm or deny.
 
Peppermint said:
If I can get a device that does the same thing as Apple's product for lot less money, there's no reason for me to consider Apple.
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The only reason I could see to consider Apple is for OSX. Also, there's the issue of hardware life; these days, some companies seem to be putting lower quality parts in their computers (more or less I've seen this from Dell), so you might have to replace some parts multiple times, if not the whole computer, depending on what went haywire. When I used to work in a computer repair/upgrade/custom builds store, I got to know customers by their face or voice on the phone. For a repair store, that's not a good thing. I'd say that about 10 of the people I helped ended up paying more for their computer after all had been said and done then they would have spent for an Apple computer. I can only speak for towers, since our store refused to touch laptops when I started working there.

Also, I've been using a clamshell iBook as my main laptop for the last 4 years. Bought it used, and put in some more RAM and a larger hard drive. The battery life gives me about 6 hours on each recharge, and hasn't diminished at all in the 4 years I've owned the laptop. I've never seen another 11-year-old laptop last that long, and I only paid about $300 for it on Ebay. I imagine most other Apple computers have the same kind of 10-year lifespan, depending on what you need to do with it. Then again, I don't know anyone that needs to upgrade their computer beyond personal ego-related reasons.
 
gentoo!!!!
 
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Peppermint said:
If I can get a device that does the same thing as Apple's product for lot less money, there's no reason for me to consider Apple.

Also, a "PC" is not just a Windows machine. Mac is a PC too technically. It seems that the OS is the main difference here, and while yes, Macs have their merits, for me the ability to customize is a must. I want to be able to hand pick my hardware and software and adjust the combination so it meets my budget, and I don't mind doing research to get there. In fact, I like doing research.
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I totally agree with this. The end result for me is to use a Mac, because PCs (Win/Linux/etc.) don
 
Norton said:
To me, computers are merely tools and always have been since I was writing FORTRAN on punch cards. We have seven Macs and one PC. If you write code, the Mac is preferable because OS X is the Mac desktop grafted onto a UNIX platform, which is, and always has been, an extremely stable, versatile and powerful OS since it was invented at Bell Labs. It's easy to write UNIX commands in the terminal utility and do things to/with a Mac that relatively few people know about.
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This!

Peppermint said:
If I can get a device that does the same thing as Apple's product for lot less money, there's no reason for me to consider Apple.

Also, a "PC" is not just a Windows machine. Mac is a PC too technically. It seems that the OS is the main difference here, and while yes, Macs have their merits, for me the ability to customize is a must. I want to be able to hand pick my hardware and software and adjust the combination so it meets my budget, and I don't mind doing research to get there. In fact, I like doing research.
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If all parts were equal, then this would be true; however, all parts are not equal. Apple does a lot of quality control.

For instance, I have 2 Intel MacBook Pros (last gen and this gen). I can literally, take my laptop and drop it on pavement from over my head and let it smack into the pavement. Pick it back up and turn it on like nothing happened. Of course, the outside of it gets dinged and scratched, but the hardware inside is still in tact and so is the monitor.

That doesn’t even go into the lifetime of internal parts.

I leave my laptop on ALL DAY. 24/7, 365 days a week. It never goes to sleep. I did this with my last gen, and I’m doing it with my current gen. I had my last one for close to 4 years. How many people have laptops that last FOUR years that are on ALL DAY, EVERYDAY. The only issue I had with my last gen was that the battery was crappy.

They solve it in the new Gen.

EDIT: Yes the old one still runs. I just have no use for it.

Yes, I paid a lot of money for both of my macbooks, but I bought a quality product that is coded very well and RARELY if EVER screws up in the hardware or software side.

And you can easily build your mac to custom fit your budget :D

Sloe Djinn said:
I feel insecure when I can't right-click.
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You have been able to right click for centuries with a Mac. You just go into settings and turn it on. All I have to do on my current laptop is gently place two fingers instead of one. Presto!

Sloe Djinn said:
...Does anything actually happen when you right-click in a mac OS?

I'm just used to pc's. Used to dos, then windows etc. I could care less for Jobs or Gates.
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Same as PC

Detective Conan said:
The only reason I could see to consider Apple is for OSX. Also, there's the issue of hardware life; these days, some companies seem to be putting lower quality parts in their computers (more or less I've seen this from Dell), so you might have to replace some parts multiple times, if not the whole computer, depending on what went haywire. When I used to work in a computer repair/upgrade/custom builds store, I got to know customers by their face or voice on the phone. For a repair store, that's not a good thing. I'd say that about 10 of the people I helped ended up paying more for their computer after all had been said and done then they would have spent for an Apple computer. I can only speak for towers, since our store refused to touch laptops when I started working there.

Also, I've been using a clamshell iBook as my main laptop for the last 4 years. Bought it used, and put in some more RAM and a larger hard drive. The battery life gives me about 6 hours on each recharge, and hasn't diminished at all in the 4 years I've owned the laptop. I've never seen another 11-year-old laptop last that long, and I only paid about $300 for it on Ebay. I imagine most other Apple computers have the same kind of 10-year lifespan, depending on what you need to do with it. Then again, I don't know anyone that needs to upgrade their computer beyond personal ego-related reasons.
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:)

bickelz said:
With the newer click pad for the macbooks, all you have to do is tap your indexex and middle finger in very close succession (in the time it takes to right click).
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*nods*

I run a website, play Portal, do all my finances and investments, and even watch extreme amounts of porn...

On my mac

;):m027:
 
Limit said:
I run a website, play Portal, do all my finances and investments, and even watch extreme amounts of porn...

On my mac

;) :m027:
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It's like all the fun of a motorcycle accident without any of the road rash! :m183:

Except, instead of a motorcycle accident, it's porn, and instead of road rash, it's viruses :mlight:
 
Jill Hives said:
A PC is only as archaic as its hardware. If you never upgrade...yeah. Archaic is probably an accurate description.
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Considering how reluctant the company is to stay up to date on the PCs we use for estimates and job tickets archaic is accurate.

Now in the graphics department were it counts we always have the latest and greatest in graphics programs whether it's PC or Mac.
 
http://artlung.com/smorgasborg/C_R_Y_P_T_O_N_O_M_I_C_O_N.shtml
a woman friend of mine recently told me that she'd broken off a (hitherto) stimulating exchange of e-mail with a young man. At first he had seemed like such an intelligent and interesting guy, she said, but then "he started going all PC-versus-Mac on me."
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This quickly comes to mind when ever such pseudo-debates arise.


Peppermint said:
Also, a "PC" is not just a Windows machine. Mac is a PC too technically.
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Sure, on the other hand:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#PC
 
Limit said:
For instance, I have 2 Intel MacBook Pros (last gen and this gen). I can literally, take my laptop and drop it on pavement from over my head and let it smack into the pavement. Pick it back up and turn it on like nothing happened. Of course, the outside of it gets dinged and scratched, but the hardware inside is still in tact and so is the monitor.

That doesn’t even go into the lifetime of internal parts.
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Go ahead and do just this and let me know how it works out for you. Hell, do it on the carpet. If you have a hard drive, you will likely get the folder with a question mark (or is it exclamation point? I don't remember), indicating a bad hard drive. If you have an SSD this is a moot point, and would also be applicable to a Windows PC with the same setup.

I actually just did a hard drive replacement for my brother's wife's Macbook, and it was a pain in the ass. It would've been easier if I had another Mac or probably even a working Linux machine, but flashing a USB thumb drive with a Snow Leopard image in Windows sucks.

Long story short, any Mac after 2006 uses the same hardware as a PC. Macs ARE PCs. The RAM and hard drive are interchangeable between it and any given computer off the shelf (with the exception of the Air models). Logic board failures are uncommon, but also happen. I have seen a few dozen in the hundreds of Mac repair cases I've seen. I just don't get how people think Macs are somehow impervious to hardware failure. They can and do have hardware problems.

I leave my laptop on ALL DAY. 24/7, 365 days a week. It never goes to sleep. I did this with my last gen, and I’m doing it with my current gen. I had my last one for close to 4 years. How many people have laptops that last FOUR years that are on ALL DAY, EVERYDAY. The only issue I had with my last gen was that the battery was crappy.
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This is absolutely possible on a Linux/BSD box. My FreeNAS box keeps on chugging along unless there's a power outage or I turn it off to move it somewhere. I think the record was 60+ days until a tornado hit and took the power out. Windows sucks for long-term stability, though.

And you can easily build your mac to custom fit your budget :D
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As long as your budget is $1,000+.


I could absolutely be wrong here, but I get the impression that most people defend their Macs because either A) it's the cool thing to do, or B) they have a natural inclination to justify their expensive piece of equipment. They're fine for what they are and if you're willing to pay the price, but they are nothing special and certainly not worth the price premium. I've been Mac; went back.
 
J. Cardigan said:
Go ahead and do just this and let me know how it works out for you. Hell, do it on the carpet. If you have a hard drive, you will likely get the folder with a question mark (or is it exclamation point? I don't remember), indicating a bad hard drive. If you have an SSD this is a moot point, and would also be applicable to a Windows PC with the same setup.
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I think the point he might have been going for, but of course I could be wrong, is that macbook pros (and that one generation of macbooks, I recall) have a better external build. The aluminum, I would think, can take a little more abuse than the plastic found on most laptops. I also don't get the warnings about HDDs. When I upgraded my PS3 HDD, my dad accidentally knocked the new HDD off a table (about 5 ft off the ground) onto solid tile, and it's never had any problems. My former coworker spilled water onto his macbook's keyboard. He was freaking out, but after letting it air dry for a couple of hours, it powered up just fine. I've never heard a story like this regarding an HP/Dell/Asus/whatever non-apple brand.

J. Cardigan said:
I actually just did a hard drive replacement for my brother's wife's Macbook, and it was a pain in the ass. It would've been easier if I had another Mac or probably even a working Linux machine, but flashing a USB thumb drive with a Snow Leopard image in Windows sucks.
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Which could've been avoided if you had the original boot disk (or even a retail boot disk) handy. Not a problem with the computer, but rather a user error. This anecdote comes from someone who worked in a windows/linux/OSX repair shop for just a little under a year.

J. Cardigan said:
Long story short, any Mac after 2006 uses the same hardware as a PC. Macs ARE PCs. The RAM and hard drive are interchangeable between it and any given computer off the shelf (with the exception of the Air models). Logic board failures are uncommon, but also happen. I have seen a few dozen in the hundreds of Mac repair cases I've seen. I just don't get how people think Macs are somehow impervious to hardware failure. They can and do have hardware problems.
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That's not entirely true regarding the RAM. If you don't use Apple RAM, you have an extremely high chance of the system not properly recognizing the RAM or using it at the appropriate clocking speed, as some RAM needs a little tweaking via the MoBo bios to get the clock speeds to work as advertised. You can't get to the BIOS on a Mac, at least not easily. I also find that the thermal compound in apple laptops (never opened an iMac or Mac Pro to check) is usually correctly applied, whereas I usually had to reapply the thermal compound in HP and Dell laptops because it was smeared on way too thick (and sometimes a hardened mess by the time I got to it). That's a subtle difference I've noticed between the two.

Also, and this is just a rumor asaik, apparently the new all-in-one iMacs won't recognize a lot of after market internal drives.

J. Cardigan said:
As long as your budget is $1,000+.
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Which is about the standard price for all-in-one's similar to the iMac. The laptops are overpriced, however they do (or did, as I mentioned above, my iBook is still running strong after so many years) tend to have more longevity to them than other laptops, speaking from the numbers.

J. Cardigan said:
I could absolutely be wrong here, but I get the impression that most people defend their Macs because either A) it's the cool thing to do, or B) they have a natural inclination to justify their expensive piece of equipment. They're fine for what they are and if you're willing to pay the price, but they are nothing special and certainly not worth the price premium. I've been Mac; went back.
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The same can be said regarding the confusion as to why people insist on berating people who own Macs (or any Apple product), either it's A) the cool thing to do, or B) a result of envy because others can't afford or simply don't own that particular piece of equipment. These days, you could argue that the newer computers are worth the premium price. After all, there aren't any other machines with the thunderbolt port currently on the market. What's to come of that venture, I honestly couldn't say; history could repeat itself and the lesser format can snuff out the powerhouse port, or we could see a shift in power, like what happened when blu-ray overtook HD-DVD.

For the record, before I get called an Apple fanboy, I use a linux box and an iBook as my main computers (when I need computers).
 
J. Cardigan said:
I could absolutely be wrong here, but I get the impression that most people defend their Macs because either A) it's the cool thing to do, or B) they have a natural inclination to justify their expensive piece of equipment.
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I don
 
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