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Plato, Phaedrus (274c - 275a)


Socrates: "I heard, then, that at Naucratis in Egypt there was one of the ancient gods of that land, to whom the bird called the Ibis was sacred; and the name of the deity himself was Theuth. It was he who first discovered number and calculation, geometry and astronomy, and furthermore the games of draughts and dice, and, above all, writing.
At that time, Thamus was king of all Egypt, residing in the great city of the upper region which the Greeks call Egyptian Thebes, and they call the god Ammon. Theuth came to him and exhibited his arts, declaring that they ought to be imparted to the rest of the Egyptians. Thamus questioned him as to the utility of each, and as Theuth went through them, the king expressed approval or disapproval depending on whether he thought the claims were well-founded.
It is said that Thamus delivered many judgments to Theuth both for and against each art, which would take too long to repeat. But when they came to writing, Theuth said:
'O King, this knowledge will make the Egyptians wiser and improve their memory; for it has been discovered as an elixir (pharmakon) for memory and wisdom.'
But Thamus replied: 'O most ingenious Theuth, one man has the ability to beget the arts, but another has the ability to judge what measure of harm or benefit they will bring to those who practice them. And now you, being the father of writing, have out of fondness attributed to it the opposite of its true effect.
For this invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn it, through the neglect of memory; since, relying on writing, they will remember things from the outside by means of external symbols, rather than from within themselves. You have discovered an elixir not of memory, but of reminding.
To your students, you offer the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom; for having heard many things through you without instruction, they will seem to be well-informed, while for the most part they remain ignorant—and they will be a burden to society, having become conceited instead of truly wise.


the written word is a silent image that cannot defend itself or answer questions. True knowledge (epistēmē) requires the "living" dialogue of the soul, where ideas are tested and planted in the mind of the learner through dialectic.

-Giammarco
 
To your students, you offer the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom; for having heard many things through you without instruction, they will seem to be well-informed, while for the most part they remain ignorant—and they will be a burden to society, having become conceited instead of truly wise.
Makes you think …..

Perhaps the god who invented the internet and went on to develop ai is called Nyarlathotep?
 
Makes you think …..

Perhaps the god who invented the internet and went on to develop ai is called Nyarlathotep?
As the motto over the entrance to Plato's Academy used to say: 'Let no one ignorant of geometry enter.' (lol)

I’m uncertain whether you are more of a Pythagorean or an Euclidean. <3
I missed you <3

-Giammarco
 
As the motto over the entrance to Plato's Academy used to say: 'Let no one ignorant of geometry enter.' (lol)
Very right and proper too!
I’m uncertain whether you are more of a Pythagorean or a Euclidean. <3
Maybe

I missed you <3
❤️

I’ve just been dipping in recently. I’ve got one or two things on the go that are taking up quite a lot of my time.
 

There are probably only a handful of opera pieces that I truly enjoy
This is for sure one of them, even though it's kinda over used
I do like Pavarotti, but who doesn't really
 
Plato would call it the Hyperuranion
Latins would call it Neptunus

Hope everything is ok 🙇‍♂️♥️


-Giammarco
Hi Akar, yes, everything is OK with us - at least given the inevitable decay of the years at our age :laughing:. I've just got a lot of calls on my attention at the moment. Many thanks for asking.

I'm very fond of organ music so thanks for that too - the Bach is of course very Platonic isn't it? I was wondering about a Pythagorean oriented piece to balance them out ... something like this maybe?

 
Hi Akar, yes, everything is OK with us - at least given the inevitable decay of the years at our age :laughing:. I've just got a lot of calls on my attention at the moment. Many thanks for asking.

I'm very fond of organ music so thanks for that too - the Bach is of course very Platonic isn't it? I was wondering about a Pythagorean oriented piece to balance them out ... something like this maybe?

I am glad to hear that everything is OK. :)
Decay? I see instead an oak tree over 30 meters tall, supporting the full weight of its majestic canopy. That is quite different, don't you think?
<3
These strings are also very Pythagorean, wouldn't you agree?


By the way, when are you re-claiming your citizenship in Crotone?

P.S. @Wyote I woke up this morning thinking that sometimes life feels like a movie directed by Quentin Tarantino, written by Plato, with Master Ne (@aeon ) on cinematography haha. <3 <3


-Giammarco

edit:I take my coffee without sugar, but this morning it tasted so sweet lol.
 
These strings are also very Pythagorean, wouldn't you agree?
Beautifully so.

Decay? I see instead an oak tree over 30 meters tall, supporting the full weight of its majestic canopy.
❤️
Ah! But is that just an avatar?

By the way, when are you re-claiming your citizenship in Crotone?
Looks like Pythagorean ideas are still flowing today -


 
I'm an Aspen tree
I will give no further elaboration
 
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