Political Crybabies Historical and Present

atree said:
That's the billion dollar question.
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I guess I will just think about my life from now back to 9/11 and then from 9/11 back to birth. I've been in pretty much the same level of danger through out. Hopefully that is understandable. Then I will make a meme about it, put it on FB and hope for the best.
 
the said:
I guess I will just think about my life from now back to 9/11 and then from 9/11 back to birth. I've been in pretty much the same level of danger through out. Hopefully that is understandable. Then I will make a meme about it, put it on FB and hope for the best.
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A meme and a couple of laughs is pretty much all you can hope for. At least more people will pay attention. People have started tuning out those who stand up on their personal soapboxes. Everyone's got a personal soapbox these days and few make sense but all add to the collective roar of voices shouting into the void.
 
atree said:
A meme and a couple of laughs is pretty much all you can hope for. At least more people will pay attention. People have started tuning out those who stand up on their personal soapboxes. Everyone's got a personal soapbox these days and few make sense but all add to the collective roar of voices shouting into the void.
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I want my grave stone to read "A meme and a couple of laughs".
 
Asa said:
@Flavus Aquila - Interesting that you ignored my serious and respectful inquiry asking you to expand on your thoughts, and cut to bothering me for defending myself when I was trolled for asking that I not be made to sound like I want to lynch you. I won't be checking later updates of this thread as, per usual, it is simply a spring trap for liberals. I'm sure I won't be missed.
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I'll miss you.
 
Flavus Aquila said:
This is under the Psychology Subforum.

What is going on with people who choose to remain intensely upset after an unchangeable group decision? (Be it elections, corporate decisions, family vacation votes, etc.)

This isn't so much a thread about national, workplace, or family politics, so much about the psychology of individuals who have great difficulty functioning constructively, or at least non-destructively within group/political situations.
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This OP is way too vague to answer. Everything is circumstantial; context matters. In my experience when group decisions have been made and there are people upset about it afterwards, it is because the decision that was made was not the decision that they had voted for. I think it is a pretty natural human reaction- and also- there is nothing wrong with being upset about something, such as an important decision that is made which is against what you voted for. I've seen few people jump in joy when their option is outvoted.
 
slant said:
This OP is way too vague to answer. Everything is circumstantial; context matters. In my experience when group decisions have been made and there are people upset about it afterwards, it is because the decision that was made was not the decision that they had voted for. I think it is a pretty natural human reaction- and also- there is nothing wrong with being upset about something, such as an important decision that is made which is against what you voted for. I've seen few people jump in joy when their option is outvoted.
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Once again, too sensible. Stop at once.
 
slant said:
This OP is way too vague to answer. Everything is circumstantial; context matters. In my experience when group decisions have been made and there are people upset about it afterwards, it is because the decision that was made was not the decision that they had voted for. I think it is a pretty natural human reaction- and also- there is nothing wrong with being upset about something, such as an important decision that is made which is against what you voted for. I've seen few people jump in joy when their option is outvoted.
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That's normal... what about people ramping it up into subversion.
 
...because "group decision" doesn't always mean "the best decision".

You might be tempted to add 'you mean "the best decision for me"'-- but that's the point; these three choices may not overlap.

Someone might and WILL believe that total destruction is the best answer for the question of choice-- "If you don't want to go to MY choice of place then FUCK YOU THIS TRIP IS CANCELLED YOU CAN GO ALL SUCK A BAG OF BLACKPEPPER SAUSAGE!" but that may not be the best decision.

And whenever the 'group' decision is reached by what is perceived as an unfair method (which varied in person, from group politics to intimidation to fraud to majority bullying to every other tactics imaginable), I can't exactly blame them for resisting and fighting until the bitter, bitter end

OF COURSE, it's easy for people to see foul play where there is none.

It is also easy for us (regardless of political leanings / ideologies) to see others not believing in our truth or our decision as 'crybabies' or 'whiny bitches' or'irrational' or 'illogical' or 'biased with emotions'.

Attributive bias :|

Not only is it a human thing to do, that's also a VERY effective if dirty tactics-- it discredits the other sides without trying to listen to their arguments.
 
slant said:
It depends. Majority doesn't always rule. Sometimes there are situations where the majority of people make a poor decision and in order to preserve oneself, they must go against the dominant groupthink.
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Such as?
 
the said:
Such as?
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Just the four examples i can name in five seconds are the Stonewall riots, the Suffragettes, the #NoDAPL and the Oregon militia takeover.

Mind-- I'm not saying which is right and which is wrong, or the political foundation behind it; but there have been such situations.
 
slant said:
It depends. Majority doesn't always rule. Sometimes there are situations where the majority of people make a poor decision and in order to preserve oneself, they must go against the dominant groupthink.
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I agree that self-interest can out-prioritise going with the consensus, but what about ideological excursions from the consensus... in our society, having a different opinion is rarely a problem. Why does it become important to protest the ascendant ideology, if it in no way affects how you adhere to your own?

Some of it can boil down to differences in policy, but often it goes way beyond the policies. Ie. There seems to be resentment that is about the other team winning, more than about how that team operates.
 
Flavus Aquila said:
This is under the Psychology Subforum.

What is going on with people who choose to remain intensely upset after an unchangeable group decision? (Be it elections, corporate decisions, family vacation votes, etc.)

This isn't so much a thread about national, workplace, or family politics, so much about the psychology of individuals who have great difficulty functioning constructively, or at least non-destructively within group/political situations.
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Sometimes these crybabies are right. Sometimes their complaints can benefit everyone. Although crybabies can be harmful to society at large, most the time they're not and its important to just accept them and let it go.
 
Who are the historical crybabies referenced in the title?
 
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