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Unfortunately - the State really doesn't give much consideration to how children are raised and integrated into the society other than to learn how to be consumers and minimal quality workers. At least that's the current view here in the US.
[shaking head] Whew...I just don't see how what you're proposing can be accomplished with today's world views upon marriage. As I've said before - the word is tied with property/assets. The State is more concerned with that perspective and assets include the number of people residing in any given state. Marriage licenses give them much information about us. Then there's all the myriad rituals built into the self esteems of so many families and communities. It displays Status/Wealth/Power and on and on.
I can see the value in designating a construct - a term - to emphasize Family with children only. Then support can emphasized as well. I'm thinking the only way to accomplish it is to "de-value" the word now - and then reintroduce the word after a generation is dead and gone with your New value - a new definition. Surely you can see it would take people a long time to get used to the idea of it being changed... Also - many religions already emphasize Family synonymously with Marriage.
Another thought I had is the corporate attachment to marriage and all of the wealth they derive from the fantasies people have about what a wedding should be.
What do you do when 2 people get a civil union license with no intention of having children and then there is an accident and one is born? What do you do when 2 people get married and no children are born?
At least with my proposal - almost Everyone has to go through parenting classes. I'd like to think it would open their eyes as to the gravity of bringing children in this world and if they choose to go ahead - it would strengthen their resolve and commitment.
I think what you're really seeking is an unbreakable contract for a certain period of time between the parents when children are brought into their lives - whether biological or adoptive - as a family unit. For example: An 18 yr contract to be committed parents to the children and not leave. Then they can go their separate ways. I've actually proposed that idea in other threads....and I can see that coming one day...
Well... this is really a separate issue from Asarya's initial intent of her thread. I think I'll go check out the website where people can propose their ideas and seek others to sign a petition.
(Re-mix of reply to acd)
I really don't think a lot of either religious, or secular baggage really helps when dealing with a highly distinct and necessary form of relationship: the child-rearing relationship.
Religion exalts marriage with its highest ideal, calling it holy; secularism exalts marriage with its highest ideals: social acceptance, romance, commitment, security, legality, status, recognition, etc. etc. These things are good, but they distract from the basis of the relationship they are trying to benefit: two people committed to each other in the service of conceiving and raising other citizens well. These couples are obliged, both morally and legally, to care for their offspring - so they are really sacrificing quite a lot for the good of society.
Getting way-laid (no pun) on some of the religious, or social trappings of marriage distract from the role it plays in transitioning a society from one generation to the next. Talking about sanctity, acceptance, romance, benefits, recognition, etc. can make it sound like marriage is about these things, so that weddings become more focused on religiosity, bridal extravagance, taxation coupes, etc.
So how do you deal with heterosexual couples commiting themselves to each other in civil unions, who end up having children?
They can can remain as such - with some particular type of benefit going to the principal guardian of the child - or, if they wish, they can then undertake marriage; that is, a commitment (freely undertaken) to cooperate in raising the child. Benefits should be forthcoming because marriage implies personal obligation and great personal cost in terms of time, money and concern. The difference between marriage and civil unions would be the level/extent of commitment intended in child-rearing.
Sterile married couples should still be recognised as such, for having offered their commitment; much like the war veteran who never saw action. Naturally, benefits ordered towards assisting in child rearing would not be forthcoming.
Adoptive parents are a distinct category, as both married and civilly united couples - or even individuals can adopt, with varying degrees of domestic commitment.
In any case, committed couples intending to bear/raise children needs to be treated as a distinct category. Perhaps if the term 'marriage' is further over-extended (it already is in respect of heterosexuals who do not intend to raise children), a new category must be envisioned by the law.
My suggestion would be that the category be somewhat disparaging in its terminology, to avoid the build-up of desirable social baggage which is fueling the current debate: perhaps 'committed breeders', or 'child bearers' - although disparaging terminology would seem unfit, because such people really do play a very important inter generational role in society.