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Forbes 2013: Vladimir Putin unseats Barack Obama as world's most powerful person
US president Barack Obama has been ousted from the number one spot on Forbes' list of most powerful people by Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin

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Russia's President Vladimir Putin (left) with U.S. President Barack Obama in Los Cabos, Mexico for the G20 summit Photo: REUTERS/Jason Reed









By Josie Ensor

3:45PM GMT 30 Oct 2013



The controversial Russian president batted away competition from OMr bama, Bill Gates and the Pope to claim the top spot on Forbes's annual list of the world's most powerful and influential people.

Mr Putin's strengthening control in Russia has resulted in what Forbes described as a clear "shifting of individual power dynamics", while inaction over Syria and the recent government shutdown has seen Mr Obama lose his influence on the international stage.

Forbes’ judges use four criteria to determine the top leaders: How many they govern; how much money they oversee; how many spheres of influence they tout; and how actively they use their powers to influence and change the world.

Chinese premier Xi Jinping was at number three in the list, Pope Francis was number four and German chancellor Angela Merkel was the top-placed woman at number five.

Microsoft tycoon and philanthropist Bill Gates took the sixth place, US Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke was at number seven, Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah at eight and European Central Bank president Mario Draghi at nine.

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British Prime Minister David Cameron has dropped out of the top 10 on Forbes magazine's list, slipping one place to 11th, behind Wal-Mart CEO Michael Duke.
This year’s list features 17 heads of state who run nations with a combined GDP of some $48 trillion — including the three most powerful people, Putin, Obama and Xi Jinping, the general secretary of the Communist Party of China.

The 27 CEOs and chairs control over $3 trillion in annual revenues, and 12 are entrepreneurs, including new billionaires on the list, Nigeria’s Aliko Dangote (No. 64), founder of Dangote Group, and Oracle’s Larry Ellison (No. 58).
Among the 13 newcomers are Pope Francis (No. 4), Samsung Chairman Lee Kun-Hee (No. 41), and South Korean President Park Geun-hye (No. 52).

The magazine ranked the 72 people on the list - one for every 100 million people on earth - according to how many people they have power over; the financial resources they control; if they have influence in more than one sphere; and how actively they wield their power to change the world.

Forbes said: "Putin has solidified his control over Russia while Obama’s lame duck period has seemingly set in earlier than usual for a two-term president — latest example: the government shutdown mess. Anyone watching this year’s chess match over Syria and NSA leaks has a clear idea of the shifting individual power dynamics."
 


Garry Kasparov, former world champion from 1985 to 2000, is considered by many to be the greatest player ever. His style was often stunning:
What separates a winner from a loser at the grandmaster level is the willingness to do the unthinkable. A brilliant strategy is, certainly, a matter of intelligence, but intelligence without audaciousness is not enough. I must have the guts to explode the game, to upend my opponent’s thinking and, in so doing, unnerve him.”





It didn't work against Putin in politics. What makes anyone think Putin 's chess strategy training at KGB was for nothing? He graduated top of his class...

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I strangely feel the EU to be the next catapult to overcome. The US, under Obama, was totally out of control in North Africa. They and their counterparts went straight to Syria with their checkerboard. Putin understands their moves and is not game for it. Now Putin is playing his best game of chess ever. If I were to play against him, he would have a game. I would rather watch at this point. Being sick of Obama, I'm glad someone is putting him in his lame duck place.
 
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I strangely feel the EU to be the next catapult to overcome. The US, under Obama, was totally out of control in North Africa. They and their counterparts went straight to Syria with their checkerboard. Putin understands their moves and is not game for it. Now Putin is playing his best game of chess ever. If I were to play against him, he would have a game. I would rather watch at this point. Being sick of Obama, I'm glad someone is putting him in his lame duck place.
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I would be wary of anything forbes magazine says, it is in debt to the J.P.Morgan bank which is controlled by the rothschilds....that is to say forbes magazine is now in the pocket of the rothschilds of whose J.P.Morgan was an agent

Here's an article about the debt owed by forbes: http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/07/28/the-forbes-familys-big-deal-causes-big-trouble/

They are putting a foreign leader above the US presdient because they want to embarass americans to try and pressure the american public to be tougher internationally because they want perpetual war

Putin is a very shrewd guy though thats for sure, but thats not a bad thing.

If the russians hadn't given protection to edward snowden then you and the rest of the american public would not know about how the NSA has been spying on you, much like hitlers gestapo did to the german people

If it weren't for the russians and various other nations we would all be living under the tyranny of a centralised world government

What Putin and others would like to see is a restructuring of the UN to give better representation to other countries so that the global apparatus couldn't be so effectivly controlled by a handful of zionist central bankers
 
Heard anything lately regarding those chemical weapons stores Syria had? Much of it was moved to Syria before the invasion of Iraq, and almost all of it supposedly came from Russia.....except what hey had made themselves. Now word is circulating some of those weapons made it to Hezbollah in Lebanon. Albania refused it. Nobody wants them destroyed on their ground.
Nuclear non-proliferation, because of Iran, is out the window. They will not keep their words, either.
 
just me said:
Heard anything lately regarding those chemical weapons stores Syria had? Much of it was moved to Syria before the invasion of Iraq, and almost all of it supposedly came from Russia.....except what hey had made themselves. Now word is circulating some of those weapons made it to Hezbollah in Lebanon. Albania refused it. Nobody wants them destroyed on their ground.
Nuclear non-proliferation, because of Iran, is out the window. They will not keep their words, either.
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Some of the chemical weapons are being destroyed on a US warship: http://rt.com/news/us-destroy-syrian-chemicals-517/

The US supplied the Iraqis with the chemical weapons. They wanted to help Iraq attack and subdue Iran, so they supplied Iraq with weaponry

They wanted to do this because the Iranians had thrown out the US puppet Shah from Iran in a revolution.

The US wants allies in OPEC because OPEC controls the price of oil. When nationalist arab leaders say to other leaders of OPEC countries 'we want to get a good price for our oil from the US' the monarchist arab countries which the US backs (eg Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Qatar & Bharain) say 'no'

This stops nationalist secularist leaders from getting a good price for their oil which they could then use to modernise their countries, but it supplies the US with lots of cheap oil

In return for the support of the monarchist states the US supplies them with weaponry and also with protection from their own people. If you look for example at Bharain the people have been protesting against their royal family because they want democracy but the US supports the Bharainian royal family and the saudi royal family and the saudis went into bharain and helped the royals there brutally crush the people

By supporting monarchist regimes in the middle east the US is blocking the spread of democracy

The US loves monarchies. It works closely with the British who also have a monarchy.

Monarchies are politically RIGHT WING. Monarchies are fascistic by nature. They want power centralised and they do not want the people to have a say in the decision making process. The royal familes are all heavily invested in corporations for example the british monarchy own large parts of ''Royal'' Dutch Shell Oil Company and Rio Tinto Mining Company

The Iranians had a democratically elected leader in the 1950's who ensured their oil was nationalised. The CIA staged a coup in 1953 which saw this government thrown out and they put a royal shah in its place. The Iranians eventually rose up and threw the shah out in the islamic revolution in 1979

The Egytpians also had a strongly nationalistic leader who was protecting egyptian assets from the predatory western oil companies and the central banks that handle their profits. He was called Nasser and he overthrew the monarchy and he was bringing in land reforms that would benefit the egyptian people so the CIA had him assassinated

They have done this to many strong arab nationalist leaders who refuse to hand over their countries resources for peanuts

Below is a link to an article about how the US supplied Iraq with its weapons, but first is an excerpt from that article:

Support from the U.S. for Iraq was not a secret and was frequently discussed in open session of the Senate and House of Representatives. On June 9, 1992, Ted Koppel reported on ABC’s Nightline, “It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush, operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980s, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam’s Iraq into the power it became”, and “Reagan/Bush administrations permitted—and frequently encouraged—the flow of money, agricultural credits, dual-use technology, chemicals, and weapons to Iraq.”


Reagan White House: ‘To defeat Iran, we will fortify Saddam, he may be a killer. He may be a butcher, but he’s our guy. ‘

https://latestnewssyria.wordpress.c...tted-chemicals-and-weapons-to-saddam-hussein/
 
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Donald Rumsfeld meeting Saddam Hussein when they were doing business together

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Later on Iraq was betrayed by the US when the US supplied monarchist Kuweit with slant drilling technology so that it could drill under its neighbour Iraqs borders and steal her oil

The kuweities then sold the oil they stole from Iraq cheaply to the US. The Iraqis were going bankrupt because not only was their oil being stolen but the availability of cheap oil was driving down the price of oil so they asked the US if they could invade Kuweit

The US said ''its none of our business, do what you want'' so the Iraqis rolled into Kuweit

The US then said ''hold on you can't do that, we are going to invade you now''

To get the american congress to support the war a kuweiti citizen spoke before congress. She said she was a nurse and that the iraqis had committed atrocities when they invaded kuweit. Later on it became public knowledge that she was in fact not a nurse but actually the daughter of the kuweiti ambassador to the US and that in fact the iraqis had not committed the atrocities she claimed

By then it was too late....the US war machine had already started to roll
 
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I know Reagan had much to do with the walls come tumbling down in Germany. Some say the division was the great wound of the beast in Bible Prophecy, which was later healed(when the wall came down).
 
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I know Reagan had much to do with the walls come tumbling down in Germany. Some say the division was the great wound of the beast in Bible Prophecy, which was later healed(when the wall came down).
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Well the plan was to create a European Union with a European Central bank....they have achieved that

The next stage is to create a pan american union under a central bank which will no doubt be the fed by another name

In asia the same thing will happen with a central bank in japan

David Rockefeller of Rockefeller Standard Oil and Chase Manhatten Bank (one of the banks that owns the federal reserve) set up the 'Trilateral Commission' to bring greater unity to these three geographical areas

Below is their symbol; there's a nice little pyramid badly concealed in the middle of it. If you want to talk biblical stuff this is them showing the origins of their power: egypt. Moses came out of Egypt, so the story goes, bringing with him the magic of the egyptians (eg the tarot) and he picked up a storm god in the sinai desert from the tribes that resided there and he spoke to this storm god through a box he carried around called 'the ark of the covenant' which he kept out of reach of the common people. This egyptian magick has been passed down through the centuries and is now in the hands of people like david rockefeller who dreams of creating a one world government that he and his banking buddies will control

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There are certain barriers to this vision of theirs though

Iran does not have a cnetral bank controlled by the rothschilds. Libya didn't either until they killed gaddafi. Iraq wasn't under Rothschild control either until they killed Saddam Hussein, nor was Afghanistan until they invaded it....wait there's a pattern here!!!

North Korea and Cuba are also not controlled by the rothschilds but Sudan was given a rothschild bank after 911
 
http://politicalvelcraft.org/2013/0...hschild-goon-found-dead-another-flees-to-u-k/

Putin’s Purge Of The Rothschild Money Changers From Russia: Another Rothschild Goon Found Dead & Another Flees To U.K.


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Rothschild Cabalist Boris Berezovsky, Vladimir Putin‘s most implacable enemy!
Boris Berezovsky, the exiled Russian tycoon, has been found dead at his home in Surrey, news agencies reported on Saturday.
There was no immediate information on how Berezovsky, who was 67 and who has lived in the UK since 2000, had died.

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Russia Tells United States Citizens Not To Give Up Your Guns: We Learned From Experience Fighting Rothschild’s Banking Schemes!

WHEN PUTIN WAS ELECTED PRESIDENTof Russia in 2000, Russia was bankrupt. The nation owed $16.6 billion to the Rothschild-run International Monetary Fund while its foreign debt to the Rothschild-controlled Paris & London Club Of Creditors was over 36 billion dollars.


But Putin took advantage of the current boom in world oil prices by redirecting a portion of the profits of Russia’s largest oil producer Gazprom so as to pay off the country’s debt. The continual surge in oil prices greatly accelerated Russia’s capacity to restore financial sovereignty.
By 2006 Putin had paid off Russia’s debt to the Rothschilds. Russia’s financial dependence on the Mafia financiers was now over. Putin could then establish what became his Russian Unity Party’s campaign slogan:Putin’s Plan Means Victory For Russia! This slogan continues to make the New World Order Bankers very nervous… 2007 ~ Political Vel Craft

Russian media reported that Berezovsky had been found dead in his bath at his Surrey home at 11am on Saturday and that coroners were in attendance.
The Interfax news agency cited a relative, whom it did not name, as saying Berezovsky’s death had occurred at his home.
It also cited a Russian lawyer for Berezovsky, Alexander Dobrovinsky, as saying he had died.
Berezovsky has long been a wanted man in Russia and has been a dedicated opponent of Russian president Vladimir Putin for more than a decade.
He again came to prominence last year when he lost a high-profile legal action against fellow Russian businessman and Chelsea Football Club owner Roman Abramovich.


In that case, Berezovsky claimed he was intimidated by Mr Abramovich into selling shares in Russian oil company Sibneft.
Berezovsky had been claiming £3bn ($4.7bn) in damages. However, the court ruled in Mr Abramovich’s favour, with a judge delivering a scathing judgment of Berozovsky, saying he had been an “inherently unreliable” witness.
The legal costs of that case are thought to be upwards of £100m, and Berezovsky has also faced expenses from other court battles and a divorce.
Berezovsky is a former Kremlin power broker who came to prominence after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 and the rise of Boris Yeltsin. But his fortunes declined dramatically after Mr Putin established himself as Russian president.
Berezovsky had helped Mr Putin rise to power in the late 1990s. But he went into opposition and then self-imposed exile after the new president consolidated his power in 2000.
Berezovsky has survived numerous assassination attempts. He was closely allied to Alexander Litvinenko, the former KGB officer killed by polonium posioning in 2006. Litvinenko was alleged by some unnamed British security officials to have been killed at the behest of the Russian state.
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President Of Iceland Ólafur Ragnar Grímsson Arrests 10 Rothschild Bankers.

Arrest Warrant Issued By Interpol For Sigurður Einarsson
The former banking executive, who lives in West London, publicly blamed Gordon Brown for Kaupthing’s collapse in October 2008.


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Iceland‘s implosion was organized and orchestrated along with The United State‘s and other nation state collapses. Bankers felt top GDP had been achieved and that it was time to implode the system, while betting against the success of the nation state financial systems. This on a smaller scale is known as orchestrated “inside trading” which allowed convicted felon George Soros to loot $Billions of dollars.One month earlier than October 2008 this happened -> On September 11th 2008 $550B Was absconded From U.S. Citizen Checkbooks! ~Volubrjot
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He has now been listed on the website of the international law enforcement agency as “wanted”.
Iceland’s special prosecutor issued an international arrest warrant for Mr Einarsson yesterday, with a description of him as 1.8m tall, 114kg in weight, bald and with blue eyes.

According to Icelandic media reports, he has told the prosecutor’s team that he is willing to return to his home country to help with their enquiries on the condition that he is not arrested on arrival.

His former co-chief executive, Hreidar Mar Sigurdsson, was arrested last week on suspicion of falsifying documents and market manipulation. He is still in police custody.

Kaupthing’s collapse in October 2008 cost the British Treasury £2.5bn and hundreds of UK savers with its Isle of Man branch are still waiting to be fully compensated. Both he and Mr Einarsson have previously denied any wrongdoing over Kaupthing’s collapse.
The bank’s actions are under investigation by the UK Serious Fraud Office and a special inquiry team in Iceland over claims of share ramping and big loans to related parties.
Iceland’s special prosecutor is looking into more than 20 cases of potential criminal activity connected to Kaupthing and the country’s other failed banks.
A special report by Iceland’s parliament showed Kaupthing secretly owned almost half of its own shares.
Two-thirds of Kaupthing’s clients were based in London, including high-profile investors such as Robert Tchenguiz, Simon Halabi and the Candy Brothers, who all lost substantial sums in the crash.

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After Kaupthing’s loan book was leaked on to the internet last August, it showed key shareholders and owners were the bank’s main borrowers. Mr Tchenguiz, who was a director of Kaupthing’s largest shareholder, had the biggest debt of €1.74bn.

[h=2]Arresting Rothschild[/h] Since the 1900′s the vast majority of the American population has dreamed about saying “NO” to the Unconstitutional, corrupt, Rothschild / Rockefeller banking criminals, but no one has dared to do so. Why? If just half of our Nation, and the “1%”, who pay the majority of the taxes, just said NO MORE! Our Gov’t would literally change over night.

Why is it so hard, for some people to understand, that by simply NOT giving your money, to large Corporations, who then send jobs, Intellectual** Property, etc. offshore and promote anti-Constitutional rights… You will accomplish more, than if you used violence. In other words…
[h=3]RESEARCH WHERE YOU ARE SENDING EVERY SINGLE PENNY!!! Is that so hard?[/h] The truth of the matter is… No one, except the Icelanders, have to been the only culture on the planet to carry out this successfully. Not only have they been successful, at overthrowing the corrupt Gov’t, they’ve drafted a Constitution, that will stop this from happening ever again.
That’s not the best part… The best part, is that they have arrested ALL Rothschild/Rockefeller banking puppets, responsible for the Country’s economic Chaos and meltdown. Last week 9 people were arrested in London and Reykjavik for their possible responsibility for Iceland’s financial collapse in 2008, a deep crisis which developed into an unprecedented public reaction that is changing the country’s direction.
[h=2]FORGIVE THE DEBT[/h]
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It has been a revolution without weapons in Iceland, the country that hosts the world’s oldest democracy (since 930), and whose citizens have managed to effect change by going on demonstrations and banging pots and pans. Why have the rest of the Western countries not even heard about it?
Pressure from Icelandic citizens’ has managed not only to bring down a government, but also begin the drafting of a new constitution (in process) and is seeking to put in jail those bankers responsible for the financial crisis in the country.
As the saying goes, if you ask for things politely it is much easier to get them. This quiet revolutionary process has its origins in 2008 when the Icelandic government decided to nationalise the three largest banks, Landsbanki, Kaupthing and Glitnir, whose clients were mainly British, and North and South American.

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After the State took over, the official currency (krona) plummeted and the stock market suspended its activity after a 76% collapse. Iceland was becoming bankrupt and to save the situation, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) injected U.S. $ 2,100 million and the Nordic countries helped with another 2,500 million.
[h=2]IT WAS DONE IN AMERICA IN 1776[/h]
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[h=3]Great victories of ordinary people![/h] While banks and local and foreign authorities were desperately seeking economic solutions, the Icelandic people took to the streets and their persistent daily demonstrations outside parliament in Reykjavik prompted the resignation of the conservative Prime Minister Geir H. Haarde and his entire government. Citizens demanded, in addition, to convene early elections, and they succeeded.
In April a coalition government was elected, formed by the Social Democratic Alliance and the Left Green Movement, headed by a new Prime Minister, Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir.
Throughout 2009 the Icelandic economy continued to be in a precarious situation (at the end of the year the GDP had dropped by 7%) but, despite this, the Parliament proposed to repay the debt to Britain and the Netherlands with a payment of 3,500 million Euros, a sum to be paid every month by Icelandic families for 15 years at 5.5% interest.

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The move sparked anger again in the Icelanders, who returned to the streets demanding that, at least, that decision was put to a referendum. Another big small victory for the street protests: in March 2010 that vote was held and an overwhelming 93% of the population refused to repay the debt, at least with those conditions.
This forced the creditors to rethink the deal and improve it, offering 3% interest and payment over 37 years. Not even that was enough. The current president, on seeing that Parliament approved the agreement by a narrow margin, decided last month not to approve it and to call on the Icelandic people to vote in a referendum so that they would have the last word.
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SEPTEMBER 12, 2009 +2,000,000 AMERICANS BEGIN THE RUMBLINGS OF WAR UPON THE CORRUPT!

The bankers are fleeing in fear Returning to the tense situation in 2010, while the Icelanders were refusing to pay a debt incurred by financial sharks without consultation, the coalition government had launched an investigation to determine legal responsibilities for the fatal economic crisis and had already arrested several bankers and top executives closely linked to high risk operations.
Interpol, meanwhile, had issued an international arrest warrant against Sigurdur Einarsson, former president of one of the banks. This situation led scared bankers and executives to leave the country en masse.
In this context of crisis, an assembly was elected to draft a new constitution that would reflect the lessons learned and replace the current one, inspired by the Danish constitution. To do this, instead of calling experts and politicians, Iceland decided to appeal directly to the people, after all they have sovereign power over the law.
More than 500 Icelanders presented themselves as candidates to *participate in this exercise in direct democracy and write a new constitution. 25 of them, without party affiliations, including lawyers, students, journalists, farmers and trade union representatives were elected.

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Among other developments, this constitution will call for the protection, like no other, of freedom of information and expression in the so-called Icelandic Modern Media Initiative, in a bill that aims to make the country a safe haven for investigative journalism and freedom of information, where sources, journalists and Internet providers that host news reporting are protected. The people, for once, will decide the future of the country while bankers and politicians witness the transformation of a nation from the sidelines.
 
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Nuclear non-proliferation, because of Iran, is out the window. They will not keep their words, either.
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If cold fusion happens before they finish, nobody will have any excuse for using fission reactions. As with reconstructing Europe, disseminating the technology will be huge for image, prestige and the diplomatic advantages afforded by them. It's even possible for it to happen first. Heck, if it weren't buried as pseudoscience, we'd probably already have it and might be in the process of disarming everybody's nukes (and SPAWAR/DARPA and Mitsubishi/Toyota have one of their goals as being able to transmute radioactive material, aside from power generation).
 
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What you claim about the Bible and Moses........proof?
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Its there in the story

Moses was a member of the egyptian royal family yes? The egyptians used magick yes? We can get insight into this from things like the egyptian book of the dead

That magick is qabalah

Moses has a magickal battle with the pharoahs magicians because moses as a member of the egyptian royal house learned qabalah

This story even if it is not literally true represents a nod from hebraic culture to egypt....it is pointing to an inheritance of esoteric knowledge from the advanced civilisation of egypt to the nomadic tribes that then made up the israelites

These tribes moved around freely as there were no borders like today. Sometimes they would drive their flocks into the nile delta to graze them in more fertile lands

There was however a violent invasion of egypt by one tribe called 'the hyksos'. This tribe eventually became one of the tribes that made up the israelites. this tribe set up its own kingdom within Egypt and adopted many egyptian ways. It had its base in the north and permitted the egyptians to keep their king in the south

To the dismay of the egyptians the hyksos adopted the egyptian devil as their god in a complete inversion of the egytpian culture. This may have been because they perceived the egyptians as embodying order whilst they saw themselves as embodying chaos

The hyksos murdered the egyptian king causing the egyptians to revolt; they then threw the hyksos out of egypt

But anyway there was a transmission of egyptian ideas down to the hebrews.

The story of moses might be a made up story to illustrate that link and to give the link a more pro hebrew slant....they even have a royal connection as a foundation story for their people....just like the Romans claimed their founder was the mythical Aeneas who survived the destruction of Troy

In my country we created a paper for the pope in 1312 called the 'declaration of arbroath' after we had fought a protracted war of independence against the english. The paper outlined a mythical history for the scots and their royal line to give it credibility in the eyes of the papacy

The english in their turn claim a lineage from the mythical king arthur and so on...its a common thing for a peoples to claim mythical origins. The question is does it stand upto archeological inspection?

Even the story about moses being washed up in a basket is taken from older myths; eg the egyptian god Osiris floated down a river in a basket
 
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In my country we created a paper for the pope in 1312 called the 'declaration of arbraoth' after we had fought a protracted war of independence against the english. The paper outlined a mythical history for the scots and their royal line to give it credibility in the eyes of the papacy

The english in their turn claim a lineage from the mythical king arthur and so on...its a common thing for a peoples to claim mythical origins. The question is does it stand upto archeological inspection?

Even the story about moses being washed up in a basket is taken from older myths; eg the egyptian god Osiris floated down a river in a basket
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What do you think about the theory/idea/notion that the British royal line is descended from Jewish/Israelite royaly (from the times of Solomon I believe is how the story went)? Or is this something that doesnt show up on your radar?
 
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What do you think about the theory/idea/notion that the British royal line is descended from Jewish/Israelite royaly (from the times of Solomon I believe is how the story went)? Or is this something that doesnt show up on your radar?
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The rothschilds are the bankers of the royal family. On wikipedia they are described as 'court jews'

Edit...oops i posted the wrong link above...the one relating to what you are talking is a couple of posts below
 
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