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Eventhorizon said:
Nice information. But it's not like Trump is doing anything out of the ordinary in passing executive orders.
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It will be interesting to see how the courts rule on this matter. I just read a case which is still technically good law and may allow the president to do what he is doing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korematsu_v._United_States

This was also an executive order and involved race discrimination and was upheld by the Supreme Court. Technically, the president may have authority to pass such an order as long as it does not violate EP and Due Process. This is interesting. I have never been so excited lol. :]

The point of the case is that when it comes to nationality, the president does have some power to determine what nationality may enter the US and what not.... If anything, this is what the case stands for.
 
Vigilance said:
It will be interesting to see how the courts rule on this matter. I just read a case which is still technically good law and may allow the president to do what he is doing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korematsu_v._United_States

This was also an executive order and involved race discrimination and was upheld by the Supreme Court. Technically, the president may have authority to pass such an order as long as it does not violate EP and Due Process. This is interesting. I have never been so excited lol. :]

The point of the case is that when it comes to nationality, the president does have some power to determine what nationality may enter the US and what not.... If anything, this is what the case stands for.
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I'm sorry "also an execuative order and involved race discrimination". Are you suggesting this current order has anything to do with race discrimination?
 
Eventhorizon said:
I'm sorry "also an execuative order and involved race discrimination". Are you suggesting this current order has anything to do with race discrimination?
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Yes, this is what the petitioners have alleged in the petitions filed. I am not suggesting anything. If it indeed is race discrimination, or based off country of origin, including religion, then there is a high hurdle to jump.

Here is a link to the petitions:
https://www.aclu.org/legal-document...rpus-and-complaint-declaratory-and-injunctive
http://agportal-s3bucket.s3.amazonaws.com/uploadedfiles/Another/News/Press_Releases/TRO as Filed.pdf
 
Vigilance said:
Yes, this is what the petitioners have alleged in the petitions filed. I am not suggesting anything. If it indeed is race discrimination, or based off country of origin, including religion, then there is a high hurdle to jump.

Here is a link to the petitions:
https://www.aclu.org/legal-document...rpus-and-complaint-declaratory-and-injunctive
http://agportal-s3bucket.s3.amazonaws.com/uploadedfiles/Another/News/Press_Releases/TRO as Filed.pdf
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Well if the detractors are going at it from this angle that makes the outcome easy to predict. No one can help where radicalized Muslims come from nor what religion they follow...
 
Eventhorizon said:
One of the things I understand team Trump is working on are federal ID's to vote. No I'D and you don't vote in any government election.
I hope this gets implemented before the next Presidential election. It seems like it will solve most of America's issues.
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since the constitution stipulates that it is the States which determine who is eligible to vote, how do you expect Team Trumph to implement this?
 
Eventhorizon said:
In the grand scheme and long run, this is nothing more than political posturing for the judge. Its just more crying wolf. Eventually people will bore of it and no one will even notice any more.
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so the majority of voters, who voted against Trumph, will eventually get bored with the idea that the executive branch of the us gov is intent on ridiculing and undermining the Judicial branch?
 
Stu said:
since the constitution stipulates that it is the States which determine who is eligible to vote, how do you expect Team Trumph to implement this?
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States determine who is eligible to vote in Presidential elections? Can you provide which part of the constitution says This. I honestly was not aware of this.
 
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Presidential Election Laws
THE CONSTITUTION
Article II

Section 1. The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Congress may determine the Time of choosing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.


Fifteenth Amendment

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

Nineteenth Amendment

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Twenty-Fourth Amendment

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.



Twenty-Sixth Amendment

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.
 
Stu said:
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Presidential Election Laws
THE CONSTITUTION
Article II

Section 1. The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Congress may determine the Time of choosing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.


Fifteenth Amendment

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

Nineteenth Amendment

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Twenty-Fourth Amendment

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.



Twenty-Sixth Amendment

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.
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Stu, Thanks for the info but none of it seems to indicate states have any say over who can vote and who can not.

What am I missing?
 

Here’s a bunch of “fake” news...lol.
(mostly created by Trump)

 
Eventhorizon said:
Stu, Thanks for the info but none of it seems to indicate states have any say over who can vote and who can not.

What am I missing?
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The constitution does not mandate how the electors are chosen only that the state legislators have that power.
I find it odd that you do not know this, given all your ranting about the unconstitutionality of the Obama years.
 
Stu said:
The constitution does not mandate how the electors are chosen only that the state legislators have that power.
I find it odd that you do not know this, given all your ranting about the unconstitutionality of the Obama years.
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Yeah bust my balls for asking questions rather than making statements with no clue of what i am talking about. Maybe that's how you are used to doing things but not I.
 
Eventhorizon said:
Yeah bust my balls for asking questions rather than making statements with no clue of what i am talking about. Maybe that's how you are used to doing things but not I.
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you have routinely accused the 44th pres of treason and of terrorism. You accuse anyone that has socialistic tendencies of treason and cheer on a civil war and yet are thinned skinned when your knowledge and or judgement are called as being somewhat juvenile. Lighten up
 
Stu said:
you have routinely accused the 44th pres of treason and of terrorism. You accuse anyone that has socialistic tendencies of treason and cheer on a civil war and yet are thinned skinned when your knowledge and or judgement are called as being somewhat juvenile. Lighten up
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True with exception of cheering on civil war. I don't want war and it's only my noting that's the direction we are headed. All in hopes of making people realize actions and even words have consequences. As for the other parts of your post yes, I accuse when there's proof and evidence to support it.
 
I accuse you of ignorance as to how our country works and what it stands for.
 
Stu said:
I accuse you of ignorance as to how our country works and what it stands for.
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I can accuse you of the same. And there we are, I in the right and you... well not in the right.
 
Eventhorizon said:
I can accuse you of the same. And there we are, I in the right and you... well not in the right.
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How can you be right when Stu just told you who determines you eligibility to vote, because you didn't know. Are you saying he's wrong now? Are you providing anything to substantiate that claim?

How does logic work to you?
 
88chaz88 said:
How can you be right when Stu just told you who determines you eligibility to vote, because you didn't know. Are you saying he's wrong now? Are you providing anything to substantiate that claim?

How does logic work to you?
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@Stu ended up talking about the electoral college. I was talking about the common vote.
 
I might be, quite understandably, wrong here, but don't you vote for a senator, governor, and representative in the electoral college? What common vote are you talking about?
 
Section Two of the Fourteenth Amendment
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https://www.theatlantic.com/nationa...tion-actually-say-about-voting-rights/278782/
The Fifteenth Amendment
Section 1.
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The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation
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vote 2.webp
http://www.vox.com/2014/10/20/6997315/voting-rights-amendment-affirmative-right-to-vote

But these amendments only require that citizens not be denied the right to vote based on race,
gender or servitude. It does not exclude non citizens, not in the constitution.
Remember anything that is not delineated in the US constitution is left to the states to decide.(Stu)

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U.S. Rep. Mark Pocan
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http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...stitution-not-explicit-right-vote-wisconsin-/
 
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