[PUG] Privacy, Security, National Intelligence & Security (from Snowden's NSA leaks)

[MENTION=1871]muir[/MENTION] I think that what is accurate is that the truth about the world is very clear to you. When you see things attributed to democratic heroes' of old that fit into your idealization of what the truth is then that becomes accurate. To me your rhetoric is overly introverted and intuitive. You clearly see it as true but I do not. I see subtle distortions and wild exaggerations.
 
Stu said:
@muir I think that what is accurate is that the truth about the world is very clear to you. When you see things attributed to democratic heroes' of old that fit into your idealization of what the truth is then that becomes accurate. To me your rhetoric is overly introverted and intuitive. You clearly see it as true but I do not. I see subtle distortions and wild exaggerations.
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i think you get bogged down on the wrong points

If you want me to outline the 'conspiracy' in a very historically verifiable form i can do so......the important point in all of this though is that it IS happening

Everything i am saying about what is being done and by who is true; time is going to prove this (it already should have done if you have been following my posts)

I was syaing on this forum before the snowdon scandal broke that the government and alphabet agencies were spying on us.....and then sure enough the proof comes out

I am now looking into my magic crystal ball and saying that the US and Israel are going to step up their violence against syria. They have given chemical weapons to qatari mercenaries who have used it against the syrian population so that the US, UK and Israel can claim in their corporate media that the syrian government has (for some unknown reason) gassed its own population

This will be the justification which has already been primed by obama for going in heavy against syria; its another false flag...that is their modus operandi

When this happens it will simply be the next of a long list of predictions ive made on this forum that have come true

Perhaps after that one, you might start realising the credibility of my claims
 
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Stu said:
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No you prefer trying to frame what i say as 'off topic' and as conspiracy nonsense until it becomes mainstream news at which point you like to talk about it.....fair enough

But what is far more interesting in my opinion is understanding the underlying causes....this reveals the patterns

Once the patterns are discearned it becomes possible to see what will happen next
 
Edward Snowden Accused of Pretending to Be Top NSA Officials

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...als.html?mid=google&google_editors_picks=true
The NSA still isn't exactly sure about what Edward Snowden knows, but one former U.S. intelligence official told NBC News, "The damage, on a scale of 1 to 10, is a 12." Anonymous officials also said, according to a new report, that Snowden, while working as a system administrator at Booz Allen, "borrowed the identities of users with higher level security clearances to grab sensitive documents," and that the ongoing forensic investigation "has already identified several instances where Snowden borrowed someone else's user profile to access documents."

How Snowden was hired for such a job is currently the topic of much finger-pointing. A review of the company that did Snowden's last background check found that US Investigations Services LLC "did not present a comprehensive picture of Mr. Snowden," while the private business blames the federal government.

As our own Kevin Roose wrote when Snowden's leaks were first published, "it's not surprising at all that he had access to that information. After all, Snowden was a sysadmin. And like the sysadmins at every Wall Street bank and major corporation, Snowden knew and had access to much more than his title and level of expertise would indicate."

"Every day, they are learning how brilliant [Snowden] was," an anonymous former official told NBC. "This is why you don't hire brilliant people for jobs like this. You hire smart people. Brilliant people get you in trouble."
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So I just watched a story about how every single gmail account is scanned looking for key words and then sells your address to advertisers based on those key words... oh, and this also goes for people who email you from their non-gmail accounts.

The best solution here seems to be turning off the computers/smartphones and switching back to snailmail... it's too bad our pace of life and weakness as individuals has made this impossible.
 
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Microsoft's has moved to encrypt user data, labeling the US Government as an advanced persistent threat. source

Haha. What a joke.

Obama has also maintained that he will propose self-restraint for the NSA. We'll see if that does anything.

The more likely option is that MS along with Google and other companies are in CYA and damage-control mode, and many, at some point, will continue (if not still) working with the government/intel agencies in what most consider a violation of privacy and rights.

MS says they will increase transparency by releasing portions of source code to government contractors for review. This won't do much, for several reasons:
  1. It's only a portion of the code. This means nothing. Backdoors (in the general sense) could be anywhere else in the code that's not revealed. Even if they did release the entire OS code (not going to happen, then there goes all their revenue.) it's not the entire toolset chain. A vulnerability could be created when compiling if they were properly motivated to do so, when using a proprietary toolset (including compiler).
  2. Government contractors? Who says they're going to care (especially about the average user.) They may find and report something for publicity/save face/look good, but where is the incentive to actually concern themselves with user privacy? After all, they're getting paid by the government that is committing these "violations" of "privacy." (I put these in quotes, because in essence we have allowed these acts, so whether it's an actual violation or not could be debatable. And privacy and security are illusions, there are only more and less private, more and less secure.)

Of course, it's said we sold those rights away when we passed the US PATRIOT Act. So we shouldn't really be surprised, but NSA has definitely stepped beyond their traditional purview. However, they were operating under the scope allowed them; the lack of regulation and oversight if anything should point back to Congress.


There's supposedly a lot of Snowden files still to be released.


I'm sure we'll see an increase in use of open-source software by those who truly care about security and privacy.
 
Yeah there is the public face of the corporations and government which wants to sound like its sorry about the spying and that it is doing something about it but that is really just theatre to try and misslead the public

I think the public has now seen enough to know that the corporate network and the government they have funded into being are inveterate liars

We cannot rely on the corporations to act responsibly and we cannot rely on our government to punish the corporations for misbehaviour. Sure they will hand out the odd corporate fine (eg the fines being handed to various banks at the moment for various frauds) but these fine even though they sound impressive to the average joe on the street are actually only a tiny fraction of the money the corproations made from their fraudulent acts....they are not dissinsentives

It would be like getting a bank robber who has taken $5 million to pay back $100,000 then walk free.....a complete nonsense

So the reality is it is now down to the people of the world to take matters into their own hands

This means creating a decentralised internet that cannot be controlled by the US empire or any other imperial wannabes

It means using a decentralised currency eg bitcoin

It means using encryption like TOR and it means creating new politcal parties like the pirate party

Microsoft is merely paying lip service. The head of microsoft Bill Gates is a part of the corporate establishment. He is a fully signed up member of the corporations' mother ship: the CFR (The Council on Foreign Relations)

The CFR helps unify the corporations into a cohesive force that is able to direct its efforts in a concerted way in order to acheive their financial and political dominance over the general populace. Anyone who steps out of line with the CFR is dealt with extremely harshly. Micrsosoft will be in lock step with the CFR and the CFR is the public face of the corporate establishment that is behind the 'alphabet agencies' such as the NSA, CIA, FBI, TSA, FEMA etc

Whats particularly devious of the corporate elite is how they have both ends of the political spectrum behaving as their unwitting dupes. On one hand there is the right wing 'libertarian' Koch brothers who are behind the tea party and on the other side there is the 'liberal' socialist George Soros funding groups involved in occupy. By controlling both sides they can always steer the political process in the US

In the face of such actions the way to go seems to be decentralisation as that will always take the power out of the hands of concentrated power

Snowden has many more revelations. He is being careful not to release things that name US spies as he does not want to endanger any of his countrymen

The editor of the Guardian newspaper in the UK is currently being accused of breaching 'anti-terror' laws for the papers role in publishing snowdens leaks. This is ridiculous as the infromation snowden has leaked is absolutely in the public interest and is not damaging UK or US interests abroad it is only damaging the UK/USA spy programme against its own people!

The government clearly wants to make an example of the editor to try and intimidate any newspaper people to prevent them from publishing anymore leaks: http://www.businessinsider.com/guar...will-be-questioned-over-snowden-leaks-2013-11

Also in greece a greek editor is being put on trial for publishing a leak of tax dodging politicans: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/10/trial-greek-editor-lagarde-list-postponed

The corporate establishment is trying to muzzle the press by passing new legislation creating government regulation of the press: http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2013/oct/31/national-newspapers-press-regulation
 
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The Brazilian president was an opponent of the fascist government when it was in power. Now she is in power she is disgusted at the revelations that the US is spying on the peoples and leaders of the world. She is pushing for Brazil to have its own servers:

http://bambooinnovator.com/2013/09/...-as-more-secure-brazil-wants-its-own-servers/

Iceland has written a new constitition in which it says it will prtect peoples internet freedoms:

http://sanityforsuperheroes.blogspot.co.uk/2010/04/icelandic-modern-media-initiative_12.html

Governments working together to protect internet freedoms: http://www.protectinternetfreedom.net/
 
[mods] renamed to better suit general discussion of National Security and Privacy and it's effects. Also added PUG prefix as thread has debate and argument potential.[/mods]
 
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Here is the Rothschild owned Reuters saying in an article that the world must do away with privacy!!!!

http://www.thedailybell.com/news-an...odern-Society-Must-Do-Away-With-Privacy-ASAP/

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I think he said "piracy"
 
Stu said:
I think he said "piracy"
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The original pirates were really people who were working undercover for the establishment

The corporate network of which the rothschilds are kingpins are the ''shadow government'', they are the people who were exposed as having formed ''the enterprise'' to deal drugs and weapons in the Iran/Contra affair

They are still in business. They are now trading the Afghainstan opium crop. They are trading weapons with islamic extremists in the middle east, they are creating false flag attacks

Did you see that hosptial equipment that got hijacked in mexico that contained radioactive materials that can be used to make a dirty bomb? These guys will stop at nothing...i wouldn't be suprises if we see a dirty bomb false flag atatck on the US that the shadow government tries to pin on iran or syria. These guys have built private armies of mercenaries and terrorist groups to fight proxy wars for them:

[video=youtube;zJp4ftsrqbI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJp4ftsrqbI[/video]

They are pirates. They rob, steal, rape and pillage

The internet is one of the ways we can level the playing field a bit which is why they want to control it

So the 'pirate party' has appropriated the 'pirate' title to build its status as a renegade from the establishment but really they represent common sense....the real criminals are the corporate shadow government who keep getting off with murder...literally
 
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and the gross overstepping of boundaries, checks & balances, juristictions, etc. continue to be abused and the intel/security scene only more muddled.

Probably biased links, but two I stumbled accross:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/politicsnow/la-pn-feinstein-cia-20140311,0,4351864.story

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ci...einstein-hypocrite-blasting-cia-spying-n49881
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Snowden is of course totally right in saying that feinstein is a hypocrite; she was a strong supporter of spying on the public but doesn't like it when they spy on her

However surely she would be naive to think they weren't spying in her which brings me back to something i said earlier in this thread...i think something big is going on or is about to happen; i wonder if feinstein is just stirring the waters to distract us from something

I think this year will be the year of the collapse of the dollar and with it the other fiat currencies...hopefully the powers that be won't use war as a way to turn the peoples anger to a manufactured and perceived external threat...they are already demonising russia again and this recent blaming of iran for the lockerbie bombing sounds to me like the beginning of a new demonisation programme which they alwasy do in the build upto military action

The public must keep saying 'NO' to war regardless of whatever wild claims our politicians and mainstream media say!
 
National Security Agency impersonated Facebook

As part of its efforts to install malware on “millions” of computers worldwide, the National Security Agency impersonated Facebook to trick targets into downloading malicious code.

“In some cases the NSA has masqueraded as a fake Facebook server, using the social media site as a launching pad to infect a target’s computer and exfiltrate files from a hard drive,” reports The Intercept in its latest expose based on top-secret documents obtained by Edward Snowden.

“[The NSA] has sent out spam emails laced with the malware, which can be tailored to covertly record audio from a computer’s microphone and take snapshots with its webcam. The hacking systems have also enabled the NSA to launch cyberattacks by corrupting and disrupting file downloads or denying access to websites.”

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/03/12/nsa-pretended-to-be-facebook-in-its-effort-to-infect-millions-computers/?intcmp=latestnews
 
[mods]@Eventhorizon 's thread has been merged with the existing one on the topic.[/mods]
 
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