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You can of course volunteer for combat roles as a woman but since men tend to outperform women in physicality the likelihood that women will be drafted for the commissariat and the like are high, whilst men do the fighting.
 
Pilot definitely. (Though maybe not combat).
 
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What a joke.

Feminism goes all the way back to the First Wave. Anyone who's serious about opposing feminism will support repealing the Nineteenth Amendment, ending Women's Suffrage.

That's public policy that any principled person with modern sensibilities should oppose.
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Because there's no way to oppose a group because part of it is foolish, you must either completely agree or completely disagree with the whole thing and all of it's iterations throughout time
 
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Because there's no way to oppose a group because part of it is foolish, you must either completely agree or completely disagree with the whole thing and all of it's iterations throughout time
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How else do you meaningfully oppose any wave of feminism then without taking away rights? Women form 50% of the electorate.

Begging and pleading about how unfair things are for men, it's futile.

Why would a sizable portion of women vote against their in-group interests?
 
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How else do you meaningfully oppose any wave of feminism then without taking away rights? Women form 50% of the electorate.
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Changing their minds, also not all women are feminists
Pin said:
Begging and pleading about how unfair things are for men, it's futile.
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As futile as women asking for the right to vote when men were the only ones who could vote to give them the right to vote? How did they manage that I wonder. Perhaps they made some sort of argument that men listened to.
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Why would a sizable portion of women against their in-group interests?
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Because the current status quo is not sustainable. You can't heap all of the responsibility for everything bad in the world on men and still have them motivated enough to keep the machines running.

Also maybe when men get absolutely fucked by the legal system there might be at least some women that have enough empathy for men to want to change things. Also there might be some women who have thought about feminism and decided for themselves that it makes no sense and that it doesn't represent them. Perhaps these women could have their ideas spread, and have a dialogue about abolishing or at least reworking feminism. Christ, the feminists kicked the grid girls out of work despite their wishes to the contrary. As feminists continually grow their demands of both genders do you not see a scenario where a backlash might ensue?
 
Mothers Speak up for their sons and enrage hardline feminists
In the US, there is a commission full of women seeking to establish a White House Council for Men and Boys to address the host of ignored male problems, from education to the male suicide rate, which recently made headlines in the UK. (The US picture is similar.) Other groups address specific issues. For instance, regarding equal rights, we have FACE, Families Advocating for Campus Equality. It was formed after mothers banded together after their sons were expelled from university due to false rape accusations.

There is a certain type of woman commonly found in these groups: mothers of sons. We see the ruling culture harms our sons and silences them when they speak for themselves. Culture shrugs – as if “privileged patriarchs”could have problems, many assume.

Since these boys’ mothers are women, however, we are not so easily silenced. Declared feminists have made it clear, women’s ideas are not to be challenged. Hampered by their own preaching, to defend against mothers of sons, declared feminists must resort to isolation and shame.

Dissenters get disinvited from participating in feminist anthologies. We trade stories about bigger news outlets spiking a male supportive piece at the last minute because they don’t want to deal with feminist hashtag campaign PR mess. Even Anne Marie Slaughter, author of the “Can women have it all?” Atlantic article, who Lyndon mentioned as one of the few dissenters to feminist orthodoxy, got the treatment.

If Betty Friedan long ago named the “problem with no name”, Anne Marie Slaughter publicly asked the question no one was supposed to ask. And she did it from the inside — an elite feminist who once walked the halls at the US State Department. She has not only been ostracised in some of her old circles for what she said about women and work, but also she saw her foreign policy career get “erased” by becoming a Mommy Wars commentator.

Just last month, psychologist Dr. Elizabeth Celi was refused a seat on a panel on domestic violence because she would have discussed male victims of domestic violence. Note, that panel was in Australia. The problem is worldwide.

Declared feminists work hard to suppress dissent. But some of us are highly motivated to make sure the dissent is heard. Our sons have too few who will speak for them.
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Changing their minds, also not all women are feminists
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Any woman who believes that women should to have the right to vote, by definition, is a feminist. Therefore, almost all women in OECD-member countries are feminists. At the bare-minimum, they're first-wave feminists.

As futile as women asking for the right to vote when men were the only ones who could vote to give them the right to vote? How did they manage that I wonder. Perhaps they made some sort of argument that men listened to.
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Suffragettes didn't merely argue to get their way. Many destroyed property. In fact in London, Arson attacks weren't an infrequent occurrence. Do you believe that men in America granted women to vote out of principle? Untrue. Take Wyoming for example, a great many men approved of suffrage merely because they were lonely or wanted electoral wins.

Because the current status quo is not sustainable. You can't heap all of the responsibility for everything bad in the world on men and still have them motivated enough to keep the machines running.
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Nonsense, most men are horny idealists who will shamelessly sacrifice themselves in the name of sex, romance, and love.

Also maybe when men get absolutely fucked by the legal system there might be at least some women that have enough empathy for men to want to change things.
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Sure, but enough empathy to form a patriarchal social-structure? Because if this isn't done, the feminism problem will only inevitably occur again.

Also there might be some women who have thought about feminism and decided for themselves that it makes no sense and that it doesn't represent them.
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These women likely haven't thought enough about feminism. When they realize that feminism encompasses their voting-rights, reproductive-rights, etc, they'll quickly fall in line with feminism. These women who reject feminism only reject feminism in-name-only.

Perhaps these women could have their ideas spread, and have a dialogue about abolishing or at least reworking feminism. Christ, the feminists kicked the grid girls out of work despite their wishes to the contrary. As feminists continually grow their demands of both genders do you not see a scenario where a backlash might ensue?
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No. I have almost zero faith in most men to successfully legislate their interests, including the men in congress.
 
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Any woman who believes that women should to have the right to vote, by definition, is a feminist. Therefore, almost all women in OECD-member countries are feminists. At the bare-minimum, they're first-wave feminists.

Suffragettes didn't merely argue to get their way. Many destroyed property. In fact in London, Arson attacks weren't an infrequent occurrence. Do you believe that men in America granted women to vote out of principle? Untrue. Take Wyoming for example, a great many men approved of suffrage merely because they were lonely.

Nonsense, most men are idealists who will shamelessly sacrifice themselves in the name of sex, romance, and love.

Sure, but enough empathy to form a patriarchal social-structure? Because if this isn't done, the feminism problem will only inevitably occur again.

These women likely haven't thought enough about feminism. When they realize that feminism encompasses their voting-rights, reproductive-rights, etc, they'll quickly fall in line with feminism. These women who reject feminism only reject feminism in-name-only.

No. I have almost zero faith in most men to legislate their interests, including the men in congress.
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Again, you seem to have difficulty with comprehending that feminism has changed over time and that one can oppose certain iterations of an idea or movement. You also seem to think that feminists are the only people who can address issues like voting and reproductive rights- this simply isn't true.

There is an ideological position, I believe, between a patriarchal social structure as you put it and acquiescing to every single feminist demand that is made regardless of merit. Whether or not the "feminist problem" reoccurs is not a massive concern for me. I think people of any ideology disappear their goals up their own asses from time to time which is why its necessary to criticize and knock them down occasionally. The imbalances that plague society, in my opinion, occur when a group is either so sacrosanct as to be beyond impugning of its authority or so besieged that not a scrap of its goals can be achieved or even discussed. There are exceptions to this perhaps but in general this is what I observe.
 
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Nonsense, most men are horny idealists who will shamelessly sacrifice themselves in the name of sex, romance, and love.
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You won't sacrifice yourself if you don't reasonably think you can get anything from it. In fact if you believe exactly the opposite then that is a great reason NOT to sacrifice yourself.
 
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