Social Conservatism

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Principles of social conservatism...

-Pro life (Complicated. I believe in saving the child, but that's not always feasible. What I believe in, really, is absolute education so the mother can make an informed decision. Once she's made up her mind and knows all the risks as presented, then she should have the freedom to make that choice whatever it may be. To me, there's no easy answer here).

-Oppose embryonic stem cell research (Complicated. Yes, if it's no longer a viable organism).

-Hesitant to develop technology (bio conservatism) (I think we should develop technology to the fullest extent, but I also believe science should understand all the risks, as much as they're able to, so they can give an account if something goes wrong).

-Traditional marriage (man and woman) (Marriage is a vow between a couple and [if religious] God, and those around them. That's it. People should be able to choose who they want to spend the rest of their lives with, and if one partner dies, the other partner should not be hindered to receive benefits in any way shape or form).

-Support nuclear family structure (I think a child should be wherever a child will receive the most love, whether that's an uncle and his nephew or a grandmother and her granddaughter. Or same sex couples who love their child. Doesn't matter).

-Oppose child adoption to same sex couples (Nope. See above).

-Support prohibition of drugs (Certain drugs, yes. Others, shoot...we can dig them up in our gardens. Do we really need to spend all this money and resources for people's personal plants? I don't think so. Half the "drugs" I take are from the health food store, for my allergies).

-Support prohibition of prostitution (I don't like it personally, because I think it treats women as commodities. It's not a religious beef - I just think it objectifies women and makes them the playthings of men. And I hate that).

-Support prohibition premarital sex (No. It's your bedroom - you shouldn't be afraid of big bad government attacking you).

-Support abstinence (no, but I think teens can be given all options. They should be given condoms and the pill, they should be taught *how* to use such things, they should be educated about STIs and HIV, and they should learn how hard it really is to take care of a baby. And they should also learn that it's okay to say "no" and wait).

-Support prohibition of nonmarital sex (Absolutely not. Good night, why? Unless you have an oppressive government, you could never follow through with such a thing).

-Support prohibition of euthanasia (Hard for me to discuss, but I could see it as an option in very limited circumstances. But it would have to be extremely limited, not just because someone "feels bad" one day).

-Support prohibition of pornography (No. I hate that the line between art and porn is perilously thin already. I don't like porn - again, see the 'treating women like objects' argument above - but governments should never regulate it).

-Support public morality (state enforced morality) ("1984". That's all I'm sayin'. If you haven't read the book, you should).

-Immigration: I absolutely believe in it. Don't get me started with Arizona, Texas, or any of those arguments. It's a trigger for me.
 
Red Support my views.

-Pro life
-Oppose embryonic stem cell research
-Hesitant to develop technology (bio conservatism)
-Traditional marriage (man and woman)
-Support nuclear family structure
-Oppose child adoption to same sex couples
-Support prohibition of drugs
-Support prohibition of prostitution
-Support prohibition premarital sex
-Support abstinence
-Support prohibition of nonmarital sex
-Support prohibition of euthanasia
-Support prohibition of pornography
-Support public morality (state enforced morality)
-Tough immigration laws

I have different definitions though.
 
-Support nuclear family structure
* Support for two parent families.
* Enforcement of Abortions for single parents

-Support public morality (state enforced morality)
* Satanic Morality (morality isn't exclusively Christian)

-Tough immigration laws
* Strict laws on how to immigrate, and where to.
* Allowing immigration readily, as long as they adhere to those laws.
 
Satya said:
I think a social conservative would argue that even if these actions had no direct influence on you as an individual, the acceptance in society of these actions would have social consequences, such as spiritual and emotional desensitization, community health risks, and the decay of societal stability.
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all of them except community health risks, and to a very small extent, social consequences, are irrlevent.

ugh. this is why I don't talk about this stuff. Live and let live. Those who infringe upon this, do not belong in having any say in public policy.
 
Satya said:
I think a social conservative would argue that even if these actions had no direct influence on you as an individual, the acceptance in society of these actions would have social consequences, such as spiritual and emotional desensitization, community health risks, and the decay of societal stability.
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Yes, from what I understand, those are the standard arguments of social conservatives. While most social liberals I've spoken with do not consider the consequences of spiritual and emotional desensitization and the cascade effect of societal stability, I do. The cause and effect of this phenomenon are well documented patterns throughout history. However, I believe that even though these issues are a justifiable danger, the right to personal freedoms are more important - even if it leads to our eventual demise as a society, because enforced morality is not morality. It's simply supplication, and we can never be a truly great people unless we choose to be moral. However, I also disagree with most social conservatives about where the lines are drawn on the map of the spiritual and emotional cascade effect. Personally, I believe that good people needn't all share the same set of values in order for a society to prosper, only the same overall benevolent principles. Currently in America, there seems to be more of this than not despite our differences.
 
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Satya said:
-Pro life
-Oppose embryonic stem cell research
-Hesitant to develop technology (bio conservatism)
-Traditional marriage (man and woman)
-Support nuclear family structure
-Oppose child adoption to same sex couples
-Support prohibition of drugs
-Support prohibition of prostitution
-Support prohibition premarital sex
-Support abstinence
-Support prohibition of nonmarital sex
-Support prohibition of euthanasia
-Support prohibition of pornography
-Support public morality (state enforced morality)
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Ah, this brings back memories of mock legislature in government class...

Anyhow, I don't agree with a good chunk of the above, especially the policies that trample of a person's personal freedom. If a person wants to watch porn, get an abortion, or whatever, that's really their own business. Yes, there are some things the state needs to mediate, but a majority of the things above are personal issues.
 
i feel like suddenly i finally understand the meaning of the US having two right-wing parties. i feel kind of weird and embarrassed that i never managed to get my head around it before.

-Pro life [i think people should be educated from a very early age about contraception. the idea of an abortion after six weeks gestation upsets me but i think legislating would just make things worse.] [do not support death penalty.]
-Oppose embryonic stem cell research [don't oppose]
-Hesitant to develop technology (bio conservatism) [not hesitant]
-Traditional marriage (man and woman) [i believe in divorce when problems cannot be resolved and people are no longer happy together.]
-Oppose child adoption to same sex couples [do not oppose. people who do oppose this need to realise the scale on which children worldwide are starved, raped, and tortured, and that if some of those children happen to score loving parents who can provide them with clean water and teach them to read, it's not such a bad thing.]
-Support prohibition of drugs [do not support prohibition of drugs]
-Support prohibition of prostitution [currently reviewing. i've recently heard arguments that for many people who work in prostitution, it is not a choice - they would get out of it if they could. and that it's not just a job the way that it is often thought of, having the possibility of extreme physical violence as a hazard. and that legalising it has resulted in the proliferation of illegal brothels staffed with underage and trafficked workers. so, although my gut says that prostitution should not be prohibited, i'm reconsidering my position. i'm not suited to fight for this particular cause!]
-Support prohibition premarital sex [i believe that virginity cults must be abolished for the good of everyone.]
-Support abstinence [do what you like in your bedroom. or don't do it. it's none of my business and i've got more interesting things to think about.]
-Support prohibition of nonmarital sex [this makes no sense to me.]
-Support prohibition of euthanasia [i support euthanasia.]
-Support prohibition of pornography [i think pornography is not ethically ideal but i think prohibition would just result in more snuff.]
-Support public morality (state enforced morality) [i find it difficult to answer this as i think i understand what is meant by it but on the other hand it seems to me that the purpose of legislation is to enforce moral principles. so it's hard to answer, but i generally believe in free choice, as long as it is genuinely free and educated choice, and doesn't hurt an unconsenting or somehow compromised other. i believe in state regulation as a way to ensure fairness and equality.]
 
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