Star Signs and Personality Tests

[dark_angel]

I don't really believe it, because Tine and I are twins, born at almost the same time, so we have the same signs. However, we are incredibly different people (her ENTP and me INFJ), so there doesn't seem to be any kind of correlation there. Plus, I don't fit the description of Aries (sun) or Scorpio (moon).
It's common that twins have very different personalities, too.

Did you get the times right...maybe a few minutes means being born on the cusp and with a moon sign it can make all the difference.

 

[Jill Hives]

Here is my birth chart...it is kind of crazy how accurate it is in some ways. Except for the never lazy or self indulgent with a good work ethic part. I know I am capable of it though, so that could have to do somewhat with how I was raised....I was kind of a spoiled/sheltered brat. >_>


Name: Neptune
October 30 1985
2:33 AM Time Zone is PST
Vancouver, WA

Rising Sign is in 18 Degrees Virgo
You tend to be very shy and not very self-assertive. You are super critical about how you appear to others. Even though you may think you are uninteresting and dull, you are actually quite soft- spoken, orderly, neat and very likable. You are a perfectionist with high standards, and at times you can be quite tactless in pointing out the faults of others. Very practical, efficient and purposeful, your appearance and bearing reflect your need to appear graceful, sensible and reserved. You have a crisp, no-nonsense approach to dealing with others. Never lazy or self-indulgent, you tend to be dedicated to the work ethic.

Sun is in 06 Degrees Scorpio.
Intense and complex by nature, you have extremely strong emotional reactions to most situations. Feelings are often very difficult for you to verbalize. Therefore you have a tendency to be very quiet - - to brood and think a lot. You seldom get overtly angry, but, when you do, you are furious and unforgiving. When you make an emotional commitment, it is total -- you are not attracted to superficial or casual relationships. If you are challenged, you take it as a personal affront and tend to lash out and fight back in a vengeful manner. You love mysteries and the supernatural. A good detective, you love getting to the roots of problems and you enjoy finding out what makes other people tick. You are known to be very willful, very powerful and quite tenacious!

Moon is in 25 Degrees Taurus.
Warmth, comfort, security and familiar surroundings are necessary for you to feel at ease. Very loving and affectionate, you prefer a steady, patterned way of life. Patient, calm and steadfast, you are not easily upset. Others look to you for support. You tend to be a slow starter and a slow mover -- others may try to rush you, but they will never succeed. Emotionally, you are quite stubborn -- your attitudes about people and things were firmly set in your youth and will change very little as an adult. You are also very cautious and conservative about spending money. It is not that you are selfish, you just need to feel secure. Beware of a tendency to become overly complacent and too self-satisfied.

Mercury is in 28 Degrees Scorpio.
You are a born investigator. You are fascinated by secrets and mysteries and unanswered questions of any kind. When you become upset or angry, your emotional reactions are overpowering -- reason and logic disappear in an uncontrollable passionate outburst. You tend to keep your thoughts secret and bottled up and this makes others regard you with suspicion. It is not that you are trying purposely to be evasive, it is just that you would rather not deal with the explosions and hassles that often occur when you reveal your true feelings and opinions. Your sense of humor tends toward sarcasm and irony.

Venus is in 17 Degrees Libra.
A very friendly and outgoing person, you hate to be alone. Beware of a continuing tendency to compromise yourself in order to avoid being lonely. Try to be yourself, not what others would like you to be. You have an innate desire to be in refined and elegant surroundings and will go out of your way to create a plush and comfortable atmosphere around you. You have heightened aesthetic sensibilities and are attracted to music and the arts. Try to avoid using your well-known seductive charm in order to get out of doing what you consider to be dirty work!

Mars is in 01 Degrees Libra.
You are very aware of the need to cooperate with others in order to further any effort. You are usually willing to compromise with others, although you can be quite competitive in a friendly way. Very fair- minded and impartial, you have the ability to sense injustice and the desire to take corrective actions to make proper compensations. You see both sides of issues and questions, but you tend to be undecided or wavering when forced to make choices that might make you vulnerable or unpopular.

Jupiter is in 08 Degrees Aquarius.
Your personal growth occurs when you have the freedom to do things in new and interesting ways -- this brings out your natural inventiveness. You are an individualist, but you are also attracted to mass movements that emphasize social betterment and you will devote much time and energy to their efforts. Very fair- minded and objective, you have extraordinary skills at organization and administration.

Saturn is in 27 Degrees Scorpio.
You tend to release emotional energies only very reluctantly. This is partly due to your fear of what horrible calamity might occur should they be released -- your emotions are terribly complicated and intense. Try not to repress these energies entirely, however, or you will succumb to negative and destructive forms of compulsive behavior. Give yourself the freedom to look awkward or silly once in a while. The relief you feel will be quite therapeutic and the embarrassment (whether it is real or imagined) will pass quickly.

Uranus is in 15 Degrees Sagittarius.
You, and most of your peers, have the tendency to think that all ideas, customs and traditions from the past are outmoded and irrelevant. You are attracted to radically new ideas, philosophies and religions that will, hopefully, cause sweeping changes throughout the world.

Neptune is in 01 Degrees Capricorn.
You, and your entire generation, will idealize work, practicality and the ability to attain reasonable goals. But, because you will also stress the need to be selfless and giving, you may find it difficult to attain your goals unless you have lowered your expectations on all fronts.

Pluto is in 04 Degrees Scorpio.
For your entire generation, this is a period of intense research and discovery in areas that were heretofore considered mysterious, remote or taboo. The root causes for many complex occurrences will be unearthed due to the intensity and thoroughness of the search.

N. Node is in 09 Degrees Taurus.
It's not in your nature to seek out many casual acquaintances in your daily round of activities. You feel much more comfortable with a small, close-knit group of people -- those with whom you can relax and work toward known and clearly defined goals. Your loyalty to a person or group, once given, is forever -- you'll expend all of your quite considerable energy in seeing that the group stays together and prospers. You choose your partners and relationships so carefully that you're bound to gain certain advantages from them, including those of a material nature. Be careful though not to let mere self-service be your motivation in establishing your connections -- make sure that there's an even give-and-take!

 

[leviathans]

Common types of cognitive biases

Illusory correlation is the phenomenon of seeing the relationship one expects in a set of data even when no such relationship exists. When people form false associations between membership in a statistical minority group and rare (typically negative) behaviors, this would be a common example of illusory correlation.[1] This happens because the variables capture the attention simply because they are novel or deviant. This is one way stereotypes form and endure. David Hamilton and Terrence Rose (1980) found that stereotypes can lead people to expect certain groups and traits to fit together, and they overestimate the frequency of when these correlations actually occur.[2] People overestimate the core association between variables such as stereotyped groups and stereotypic behavior.[3]

Illusory correlation is the tendency to see non-existent correlations in a set of data.[41] This tendency was first demonstrated in a series of experiments in the late 1960s.[42] In one experiment, subjects read a set of psychiatric case studies, including responses to the Rorschach inkblot test. They reported that the homosexual men in the set were more likely to report seeing buttocks, anuses or sexually ambiguous figures in the inkblots. In fact the case studies were fictional and, in one version of the experiment, had been constructed so that the homosexual men were less likely to report this imagery.[41] In a survey, a group of experienced psychoanalysts reported the same set of illusory associations with homosexuality.[42][41] Another study recorded the symptoms experienced by arthritic patients, along with weather conditions over a 15-month period. Nearly all the patients reported that their pains were correlated with weather conditions, although the real correlation was zero.[43]
This effect is a kind of biased interpretation, in that objectively neutral or unfavorable evidence is interpreted to support existing beliefs. It is also related to biases in hypothesis-testing behavior.[44] In judging whether two events, such as illness and bad weather, are correlated, people rely heavily on the number of positive-positive cases: in this example, instances of both pain and bad weather. They pay relatively little attention to the other kinds of observation (of no pain and/or good weather).[45] This parallels the reliance on positive tests in hypothesis testing.[44] It may also reflect selective recall, in that people may have a sense that two events are correlated because it is easier to recall times when they happened together.[44]

The Forer effect (also called the Barnum Effect after P.T. Barnum's observation that "we've got something for everyone") is the observation that individuals will give high accuracy ratings to descriptions of their personality that supposedly are tailored specifically for them, but are in fact vague and general enough to apply to a wide range of people. This effect can provide a partial explanation for the widespread acceptance of some beliefs and practices, such as astrology, fortune telling, and some types of personality tests.
A related and more generic phenomenon effect is that of subjective validation.[1] Subjective validation occurs when two unrelated or even random events are perceived to be related because a belief, expectancy, or hypothesis demands a relationship. Thus people seek a correspondence between their perception of their personality and the contents of a horoscope.

 

[Kavalan]

We get it, you don't like this correlation... can you let it be now?

 

[leviathans]

We get it, you don't like this correlation... can you let it be now?

I thought that it was instructive to put this information. We all have cognitive biases or false unconscious logic. It's important to know them so that we can "rewire" our thoughts correctly.

If you can't think logically about statistical correlation and you just prefer to ignore this and believe what you want, you may have "Belief Bias" then. Mouhahaha

 

[Kavalan]

I thought that it was instructive to put this information. We all have cognitive biases or false unconscious logic. It's important to know them so that we can "rewire" our thoughts correctly.

You act as if bias is such a terrible thing.

If you can't think logically about statistical correlation and you just prefer to ignore this and believe what you want, you may have "Belief Bias" then. Mouhahaha

Now this is just you being an ass...

 

[Milon]

I thought that it was instructive to put this information. We all have cognitive biases or false unconscious logic. It's important to know them so that we can "rewire" our thoughts correctly.

If you can't think logically about statistical correlation and you just prefer to ignore this and believe what you want, you may have "Belief Bias" then. Mouhahaha

Your posts remind me more of an antagonistic ISTJ than an authentic INFJ. Have you typed yourself correctly? I don't believe in astrology myself, but I don't need to be rude to those that do.

It seems your bias is blatant arrogance and/or abject materialism. Neither one will be appreciated here, as I'm sure you are rapidly discovering. It may be best to make a thread for the specific purpose of debating astrology if you wish to pursue this further. You can even use the [PUG] tag to indicate that the thread is specifically for the purpose of debate. I'm posting this because I think it is instructive to notify you of this. (By which I'm attempting to demonstrate that it is highly unpleasant to be on the receiving end of such an attitude. Please preview and carefully consider your posts before submitting, especially if you are on mood-altering drugs.)