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If anyone at all thinks that he has the American people truly as his motivation, they are sadly mistaken. Even he is sadly mistaken about it I think.
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love you too. . I just get this inner dread that the world is now fucked ..
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Have faith.
And will someone please put that orange ape's thumbs in a finger trap?
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Faith. That's a hard and confusing thing because fear of the unknown is what causes our anxiety. To know that we could soon be blown up, or crowded in fallout shelters wasting away with radiation poisoning. Plans for the future lost and burned to the ground and families devastated over losing husbands wives children mothers fathers, etc. How can one have faith that everything is okay and will be okay if that type of war is even possible?
I try not to think about that too much, because there is nothing I can do to stop it, just make sure that I am doing everything I can to achieve happiness while I still can.
It's scary as hell, but I'm glad for the memes. For the most part I will just go on living my life as I am able, but it probably won't include faith in that sense. :/ But hope? Oh, definitely! Tons!
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Faith. That's a hard and confusing thing because fear of the unknown is what causes our anxiety. To know that we could soon be blown up, or crowded in fallout shelters wasting away with radiation poisoning. Plans for the future lost and burned to the ground and families devastated over losing husbands wives children mothers fathers, etc. How can one have faith that everything is okay and will be okay if that type of war is even possible?
I try not to think about that too much, because there is nothing I can do to stop it, just make sure that I am doing everything I can to achieve happiness while I still can.
It's scary as hell, but I'm glad for the memes. For the most part I will just go on living my life as I am able, but it probably won't include faith in that sense. :/ But hope? Oh, definitely! Tons!
Sorry to be unclear. I thought about using the term hope instead of faith, but it has too much negativity to it for me. Saying "I hope... " is in itself an acknowledgement that the odds are against my wish. The term faith does not have that attachment, but merely asks us to close our eyes and feel in our hearts what will become.
I have faith that humanity will survive in the long run.
I hope we have not screwed the planet beyond recovery.
I believe Trump hasn't a clue that we are not all in a story he's writing about himself.
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Hmm. Yes. To everything lol
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But hope doesn't have to be that negative... it can be quite life saving, if you think about it deeply. I could see it becoming as equally destructive but I guess that's where you have to be careful in what you have hope for. : )Hmm. Yes. To everything lol
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Oh yes...forgot to mention...some of you may not have seen this racist BS starting as larger stories have come out...it's all part of the same though.
Back to blatantly and arbitrarily criminalizing people for their ethnicity...can't wait for Manzanar to open back up again.
And what if someone had said "I think Trump is a fucktard, and this is BS."?
Are they going to further detain said person with no rights because they have an opinion that isn't what the state tells you is the correct one to have?
That's a dangerous road to start down...see: 1984 and other books that were once fiction.
Disgusting.
Murica - Land of the most incarcerated population on Earth (google it).
Back to blatantly and arbitrarily criminalizing people for their ethnicity...can't wait for Manzanar to open back up again.
And what if someone had said "I think Trump is a fucktard, and this is BS."?
Are they going to further detain said person with no rights because they have an opinion that isn't what the state tells you is the correct one to have?
That's a dangerous road to start down...see: 1984 and other books that were once fiction.
Disgusting.
Murica - Land of the most incarcerated population on Earth (google it).
Iranian-Americans Questioned at the Border: ‘My Kids Shouldn’t Experience Such Things’
Up to 200 people were held by border agents, with some of them reportedly asked to share their opinions about the situation in Iran and Iraq.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/06/us/border-iranians-washington-patrol.html
Up to 200 people were held by border agents, with some of them reportedly asked to share their opinions about the situation in Iran and Iraq.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/06/us/border-iranians-washington-patrol.html
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Drumpf IS a fucktard.
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Im glad Iraq is finally going to push America out. They shouldn't be there in the first place.
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Lol! Bomb Iran for Jesus! WTF? 'Murica!
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I'm convinced karma is a woman too. Hell hath no fury...
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The Stromata, or Miscellanies — Clement of Alexandria
But, as appears, I have, in my eagerness to establish my point, insensibly gone beyond what is requisite. For life would fail me to adduce the multitude of those who philosophize in a symbolical manner. For the sake, then, of memory and brevity, and of attracting to the truth, such are the Scriptures of the Barbarian philosophy.
For only to those who often approach them, and have given them a trial by faith and in their whole life, will they supply the real philosophy and the true theology. They also wish us to require an interpreter and guide. For so they considered, that, receiving truth at the hands of those who knew it well, we would be more earnest and less liable to deception, and those worthy of them would profit. Besides, all things that shine through a veil show the truth grander and more imposing; as fruits shining through water, and figures through veils, which give added reflections to them. For, in addition to the fact that things unconcealed are perceived in one way, the rays of light shining round reveal defects. Since, then, we may draw several meanings, as we do from what is expressed in veiled form, such being the case, the ignorant and unlearned man fails. But the Gnostior apprehends. Now, then, it is not wished that all things should be exposed indiscriminately to all and sundry, or the benefits of wisdom communicated to those who have not even in a dream been purified in soul, (for it is not allowed to hand to every chance comer what has been procured with such laborious efforts); nor are the mysteries of the word to be expounded to the profane.
They say, then, that Hipparchus the Pythagorean, being guilty of writing the tenets of Pythagoras in plain language, was expelled from the school, and a pillar raised for him as if he had been dead. Wherefore also in the Barbarian philosophy they call those dead who have fallen away from the dogmas, and have placed the mind in subjection to carnal passions. "For what fellowship hath righteousness and iniquity?" according to the divine apostle. "Or what communion hath light with darkness? or what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what portion hath the believer with the unbeliever?" [3050] For the honours of the Olympians and of mortals lie apart. "Wherefore also go forth from the midst of them, and be separated, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be to you for a Father, and ye shall be my sons and daughters." [3051]
It was not only the Pythagoreans and Plato then, that concealed many things; but the Epicureans too say that they have things that may not be uttered, and do not allow all to peruse those writings. The Stoics also say that by the first Zeno things were written which they do not readily allow disciples to read, without their first giving proof whether or not they are genuine philosophers. And the disciples of Aristotle say that some of their treatises are esoteric, and others common and exoteric. Further, those who instituted the mysteries, being philosophers, buried their doctrines in myths, so as not to be obvious to all. Did they then, by veiling human opinions, prevent the ignorant from handling them; and was it not more beneficial for the holy and blessed contemplation of realities to be concealed? But it was not only the tenets of the Barbarian philosophy, or the Pythagorean myths. But even those myths in Plato (in the Republic, that of Hero the Armenian; and in the Gorgias, that of Æacus and Rhadamanthus; and in the Phædo, that of Tartarus; and in the Protagoras, that of Prometheus and Epimetheus; and besides these, that of the war between the Atlantini and the Athenians in the Atlanticum) are to be expounded allegorically, not absolutely in all their expressions, but in those which express the general sense. And these we shall find indicated by symbols under the veil of allegory. Also the association of Pythagoras, and the twofold intercourse with the associates which designates the majority, hearers (akousmatikoi), and the others that have a genuine attachment to philosophy, disciples (mathematikoi), yet signified that something was spoken to the multitude, and something concealed from them. Perchance, too, the twofold species of the Peripatetic teaching -- that called probable, and that called knowable -- came very near the distinction between opinion on the one hand, and glory and truth on the other.
"To win the flowers of fair renown from men,
Be not induced to speak aught more than right."
The Ionic muses accordingly expressly say, "That the majority of people, wise in their own estimation, follow minstrels and make use of laws, knowing that many are bad, few good; but that the best pursue glory: for the best make choice of the everlasting glory of men above all. But the multitude cram themselves like brutes, measuring happiness by the belly and the pudenda, and the basest things in us." And the great Parmenides of Elea is introduced describing thus the teaching of the two ways: --
"The one is the dauntless heart of convincing truth;
The other is in the opinions of men, in whom is no true faith."
But, as appears, I have, in my eagerness to establish my point, insensibly gone beyond what is requisite. For life would fail me to adduce the multitude of those who philosophize in a symbolical manner. For the sake, then, of memory and brevity, and of attracting to the truth, such are the Scriptures of the Barbarian philosophy.
For only to those who often approach them, and have given them a trial by faith and in their whole life, will they supply the real philosophy and the true theology. They also wish us to require an interpreter and guide. For so they considered, that, receiving truth at the hands of those who knew it well, we would be more earnest and less liable to deception, and those worthy of them would profit. Besides, all things that shine through a veil show the truth grander and more imposing; as fruits shining through water, and figures through veils, which give added reflections to them. For, in addition to the fact that things unconcealed are perceived in one way, the rays of light shining round reveal defects. Since, then, we may draw several meanings, as we do from what is expressed in veiled form, such being the case, the ignorant and unlearned man fails. But the Gnostior apprehends. Now, then, it is not wished that all things should be exposed indiscriminately to all and sundry, or the benefits of wisdom communicated to those who have not even in a dream been purified in soul, (for it is not allowed to hand to every chance comer what has been procured with such laborious efforts); nor are the mysteries of the word to be expounded to the profane.
They say, then, that Hipparchus the Pythagorean, being guilty of writing the tenets of Pythagoras in plain language, was expelled from the school, and a pillar raised for him as if he had been dead. Wherefore also in the Barbarian philosophy they call those dead who have fallen away from the dogmas, and have placed the mind in subjection to carnal passions. "For what fellowship hath righteousness and iniquity?" according to the divine apostle. "Or what communion hath light with darkness? or what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what portion hath the believer with the unbeliever?" [3050] For the honours of the Olympians and of mortals lie apart. "Wherefore also go forth from the midst of them, and be separated, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be to you for a Father, and ye shall be my sons and daughters." [3051]
It was not only the Pythagoreans and Plato then, that concealed many things; but the Epicureans too say that they have things that may not be uttered, and do not allow all to peruse those writings. The Stoics also say that by the first Zeno things were written which they do not readily allow disciples to read, without their first giving proof whether or not they are genuine philosophers. And the disciples of Aristotle say that some of their treatises are esoteric, and others common and exoteric. Further, those who instituted the mysteries, being philosophers, buried their doctrines in myths, so as not to be obvious to all. Did they then, by veiling human opinions, prevent the ignorant from handling them; and was it not more beneficial for the holy and blessed contemplation of realities to be concealed? But it was not only the tenets of the Barbarian philosophy, or the Pythagorean myths. But even those myths in Plato (in the Republic, that of Hero the Armenian; and in the Gorgias, that of Æacus and Rhadamanthus; and in the Phædo, that of Tartarus; and in the Protagoras, that of Prometheus and Epimetheus; and besides these, that of the war between the Atlantini and the Athenians in the Atlanticum) are to be expounded allegorically, not absolutely in all their expressions, but in those which express the general sense. And these we shall find indicated by symbols under the veil of allegory. Also the association of Pythagoras, and the twofold intercourse with the associates which designates the majority, hearers (akousmatikoi), and the others that have a genuine attachment to philosophy, disciples (mathematikoi), yet signified that something was spoken to the multitude, and something concealed from them. Perchance, too, the twofold species of the Peripatetic teaching -- that called probable, and that called knowable -- came very near the distinction between opinion on the one hand, and glory and truth on the other.
"To win the flowers of fair renown from men,
Be not induced to speak aught more than right."
The Ionic muses accordingly expressly say, "That the majority of people, wise in their own estimation, follow minstrels and make use of laws, knowing that many are bad, few good; but that the best pursue glory: for the best make choice of the everlasting glory of men above all. But the multitude cram themselves like brutes, measuring happiness by the belly and the pudenda, and the basest things in us." And the great Parmenides of Elea is introduced describing thus the teaching of the two ways: --
"The one is the dauntless heart of convincing truth;
The other is in the opinions of men, in whom is no true faith."
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At this point I think it is a legitimate question to ask if the Trump administration is using assassination as a tool in foreign policy and if it is then do we as the electorate have a responsibility to call it such and argue its demerits? A careful read of modern history argues, in my opinion, that assassination as a political tool is counterproductive as it pushes the polity it is directed at into more and more extreme positions. To wit, how can the political powers in Iran really not believe that their only defense against the US is the attainment of a nuclear capability?
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That's really the irony here: Trump thinks he's a dictator, keeps finding ways to press those limits, but in reality he's being manipulated by big business and the military.
In normal operations, the military is filled with personnel very bright in their own respective fields, all revolving around military intelligence and operation. It is NOT their job to know the political relation nuances between the US and other countries. For that they typically look to the president to combine his/her specialized knowledge with theirs to decide on a plan of action. (I don't think I need to go into Trump's abilities, or lack there of, in this area.)
However, they and others have been saying from the very first day Trump was in office that he is hard to work with: he won't read, won't take proper briefings, wants everything as visuals. Well, it looks like they have it figured out, at least partially.
Note how quickly after the strikes that the military came forth to the media (the New York Times in particular) and said that they had been talking with Trump for months about the situation with general. They claim they gave him a good handful of options and were shocked when Trump went with the most extreme one.
(Excuse me, when does Trump NOT go with the most extreme option? They knew he'd take it, that's why they put it on the table!)
The military is simply covering their own asses by telling us there were alternatives provided. Note the whining now going on as people are seeing through their smoke and calling them out.
https://theweek.com/speedreads/8876...leimani-pentagon-leaders-stunned-trump-agreed
-- Don't get me wrong, I still blame Trump, but did we expect anything less?
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