[PAX] The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

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And now he is lying about the reason for his recusal.
And has lied about why Comey was fired.
It wasn’t because of some DOJ statute that you had some poor sucker find for the hearing.
It was because you did not disclose the two contacts you had with Sergey Kisiyak...you “forgot”.
And Comey was fired because he was “putting pressure” on Trump...so Trump fired him...he said so himself in direct contradiction to the BS reasons/lies that the AG and Asst. AG had put in writing just days before.
They all “forget”.
Just like Manafort “forgot”, and Flynn “forgot”, and Kushner “forgot”, and Page “forgot”, and now Sessions “forgot” as well.
Mike Pence just plays dumb...oops...I didn’t know Flynn was under investigation...even though we have testimony from Sally Yates saying he knew several weeks before the story broke and forced the firing of Flynn...so he clearly lied.
I’m sure he just “forgot” though.
I really like how all these folks testifying to Congressional Intelligence Committee, refuse to answer certain questions and can cite no legal or reason otherwise as to why they cannot answer accordingly.
Let’s let Mueller do his job...if there is nothing to find then nothing will be found.
But enough has been found to warrant one to be appointed...at the very least we need to know all the details about how the Russians influenced and interfered with our elections...no one is disagreeing that it was them in any of our intelligence communities.
Trump and Sessions seem disinterested in finding out the depths it goes though - how come?
And Trump still hasn’t produced any tapes.
He lied.
Just like he hasn’t produced his taxes.
He lied.
Just like he was going to set up a “blind trust”.
Lie.
How he claims he would never ask anyone to pledge their loyalty to him...except we have footage of Trump at many rallies asking people to raise their right hand and pledge their loyalty to him.
Lies.
His promise of healthcare for all, better, cheaper...yeah, that’s not what was passed in the House.
And now the new bill being cooked up in the Senate is behind closed doors, written exclusively by Republicans, without floor debate....when Obamacare was being debated, Republicans attached 170+ riders...but even most of their own party has not seen this bill - why is it so secret if it is so wonderful?
If it’s so fucking great - why are you acting like you just got caught masturbating by a Nun and are hiding in your back room feeling ashamed at what you know will hurt millions of Americans you swore to represent.
Lies.
 
I'd like to say Sessions has only added to the embarrassment of the Democratic party. However it's clear they care nothing of embarrassment as they plod toward with their witch hunt. Reminds me of the MacArthur era.
 
Ugh...political threads like this only cause me to develop enemies, so I will instead say that other parts of the world have far greater problems. Let's celebrate the fact that Miley Cyrus can dance around with dildos on stage, gay marriage is legal finally and obesity is an epidemic because we are the land of excess. God Bless the USA.
 
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It's beyond terrible that this happened. This is not the way to solve problems. This violence only creates new and even worse problems for everyone. I'm glad that no victims were killed, and also saddened that the shooter was killed. These are dark times in US politics, and I'm sure all the right wing pundits will set to task making things even more divisive by promoting some sort of bizarro impending civil war between liberals and conservatives. Turn off Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage and tune out Alex Jones--these people only profit from promoting dysfunction... and instead have a civil discussion with people about how to move forward. Enough of the violent rhetoric toward either side.
 
The civil war is already happening. It's simply progressing into the enevitable violence.
My saying this does not mean I like it. It simple means I have looked at all available facts and have deduced this is the direction it would take.
In these days and times where apparently it's acceptable to portray the assaination of the President so long as you disagree with him.
Hang on, it's not likely to get better.
 
I am conflicted, because I think that the right to free speech is essential in democracy, but I also don't think pundits on either side should be able to exploit people's prejudices and emotions. The way I see it, this is a huge cultural problem in the US. Too many people watch and listen to entertainment that touts itself as news and political commentary. It's not unbiased. There are agendas there. Maybe it's a failing of our education system that people can't tell the difference and civilly disagree. I don't know why this guy did what he did. I'm trying to make sense of this.
 
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Eventhorizon said:
I'd like to say Sessions has only added to the embarrassment of the Democratic party. However it's clear they care nothing of embarrassment as they plod toward with their witch hunt. Reminds me of the MacArthur era.
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It’s not just the Democrats investigating Trump.
You make it sound like it’s only them and their doing.
It’s not.
As if it’s some giant made up story by the evil liberal media.
Reminds you of MacArthur era?
You mean Sen. Joseph McCarthy...as in mccarthyism?
MacArthur was a general.
"McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence.”
"McCarthyism soon took on a broader meaning, describing the excesses of similar efforts. The term is also now used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries.”
Sounds like what Trump does every day on Twitter.
So I guess you have made that determination after you have seen and read through all of the evidence that Mueller is compiling?
The FBI, the House, the Senate, the CIA, NSA, and Financial Crimes unit at the Treasury are all investigating the Trump campaign ties...because there are far more ties than there should be, and because it appears that those who had contact with the Russians clearly lied on their declarations in clearance forms and some lied during their confirmation hearings.
We also have the possibility of money laundering.
Trump admitted he fired Comey because he didn’t like being investigated...he said so himself.
Not only that but Trump now is being sued by -
Attorneys general for the District of Columbia and the state of Maryland sued President Trump on Monday, alleging that he has violated anti-corruption clauses in the Constitution by accepting millions in payments and benefits from foreign governments since moving into the White House.

The lawsuit, the first of its kind brought by government entities, centers on the fact that Trump chose to retain ownership of his company when he became president. Trump said in January that he was shifting his business assets into a trust managed by his sons to eliminate potential conflicts of interests.
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Except he didn’t.
As for your “civil war”...Alex Jones, Brietbart, and the Trump tweets, are not reliable sources.
Newt comes out and calls for Mueller to step down...when just last week he was practically fondling his balls on Twitter.
It can’t be both ways.
Someone is full of shit here and someone isn’t.
I say we keep digging until there is nothing to find or until the bad actors are caught and punished accordingly.
Doesn’t matter what party...but let me just say this EH.
Had this been Hillary in the same position Trump is in now - you would be livid and the Republicans would be investigating her and her associates very throughly and faster than you can blink.
Don’t wave the flag of hypocrisy and denial.
You know they would have done all they could to obstruct and impeach her and any legislation that she put out.
They certainly wouldn’t have let her spend $20 million in 100 days on golf trips.
No need for BS self-righteousness.
You would have laughed your ass off if a comedian had held up a bloody Hillary head.
Whatever.
Derp.
 
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I accept the first amendment, I do not accept political violence.
This man was apparently violent. I saw a titter post claiming he beat his daughter...again, these attacks seem to be more of a mental health issue than anything else. eg the Gabby Giffords assault, the shooting in Colorado Springs at Planned Parenthood...they show a veneer of political action but really the individuals were mentally disturbed and then agitated by heated political rhetoric.

One of the great benefits of the affordable care act has been the inclusion of mental health services.
Ironically those politicians who were attacked today will probably be supporting a reform of our health
care that will strip those benefits.
 
Refering to Paul Ryan's post.
 
Yeah.... first a witch hunt and add grasping for straws. Maybe if you bend over backwards, say an incantation, roll the dice...maybe you can get people to make a case founded on ethereal smoke and mirrors.
At some point you pack it up and move on. Democrats know there's nothing here. They just want to keep the fake cloud over Trumps head to limit focus on anything else. Keep that in the news rather than the real issues.
Enough time has gone by where I can say this is a complete waste of Americans time.
Time to move on.
 
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Eventhorizon said:
Yeah.... first a witch hunt and add grasping for straws. Maybe if you bend over backwards, say an incantation, roll the dice...maybe you can get people to make a case founded on ethereal smoke and mirrors.
At some point you pack it up and move on. Democrats know there's nothing here. They just want to keep the fake cloud over Trumps head to limit focus on anything else. Keep that in the news rather than the real issues.
Enough time has gone by where I can say this is a complete waste of Americans time.
Time to move on.
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It is most certainly not time to move on, as much as you and Trump may want to.
You have no clue what proof they have or don’t have and neither do I, so how could you possibly make an informed decision EH about if they should continue to investigate or not?
How could you logically conclude some of the things you have if you don’t have the full story?
You can’t...just echoes from talk radio.
Clearly there is something there or there wouldn’t be so many investigations going on at once....both Dems. and Reps. have expressed concern at this whole thing.
To protect the democracy of the US (via Russian hacking or otherwise), we need to not leave any stone unturned here, we need to look down all avenues.
The folks taking your stance are the ones’ grasping at straws here.
Mueller just announced that Trump is personally under investigation btw.
So yes...Trump is now under investigation.
No matter how many people he tries to get to say otherwise.
Blow that ethereal smoke baby!
Derp x2.

Special counsel is investigating Trump for possible obstruction of justice, officials say
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...28ba60fbb98_story.html?utm_term=.a3f292f9650b​
 
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New bill passed in Congress levies new sanctions on Russia...Congress includes a key provision that any imposition or removal of said sanctions by the President must first gain the approval of Congress.
I’m sure he loves that.
Let’s see if he vetoes it or not...either way, he looks bad.
 
selcouth said:
Ugh...political threads like this only cause me to develop enemies, so I will instead say that other parts of the world have far greater problems. Let's celebrate the fact that Miley Cyrus can dance around with dildos on stage, gay marriage is legal finally and obesity is an epidemic because we are the land of excess. God Bless the USA.
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Ugh...
Then don’t post, if you don’t care about trying to fix your world.
Other people do....and it is because of them we have rights like the right to gay marriage.
As for dildos on stage...we have children dying of hunger around the world and even here in the US...why are you trying to trivialize it?
Ignoring, and playing down the problems in the US and around the world while making a joke of the smaller issues makes opinions like this part of the problem.
All I have to say is that people’s priorities are fucked in the head.
If you don’t care and are apathetic, why are you bothering to take the time to demean those who do care?
Ugh, is right...why did you post at all just to shit on the topic?

Welcome to the forum.
 
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Skarekrow said:
Ugh...
Then don’t post, if you don’t care about trying to fix your world.
Other people do....and it is because of them we have rights like the right to gay marriage.
As for dildos on stage...we have children dying of hunger around the world and even here in the US...why are you trying to trivialize it?
Ignoring, and playing down the problems in the US and around the world while making a joke of the smaller issues makes opinions like this part of the problem.
All I have to say is that people’s priorities are fucked in the head.
If you don’t care and are apathetic, why are you bothering to take the time to demean those who do care?
Ugh, is right...why did you post at all just to shit on the topic?

Welcome to the forum.
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Ok - first of all....Chill the fuck out.

Americans have one of the highest standards of living in the world. While you're complaining anonymously online about trivial behaviors of a president that got voted in because of the horrible job the Obama administration did, let's take a moment to remember the countries where gays are murdered, women murdered for being raped, children ripped away from their families and turned into child soldiers slaughtering innocent people and the numerous amounts of people unable to drink a glass of decently clean water.

The point of my post, is what the fuck are you personally doing to fix any of those problems? Seriously? Have you written your state officials? Have you protested in front of the White House? Have you donated money to building wells in third world countries so that impoverished people might enjoy 1/100th of the fucking privelages you have?

If not, then your forum posts bitching and complaining MEAN NOTHING. Now, I'm sure you're going to say that you did some of those things. Who will ever actually know? But I suggest you start to live thankfully in a country where you can run your mouth, degrade strangers and give an opinion on a subject you're probably not even very qualified to speak on.

Guess what? I voted for Trump. Not proudly. But I had to do what had to be done. Obamacare was draining the middle class. Entitlements are out of control. Illegal immigration is higher than it's ever been. And I could keep going, but I don't think I have to.

If you're under the age of 26 years old, live at home or went to college for free on the mommy/daddy scholarship, I have no interest in anything you have to say. In fact, I won't entertain any other ballsy accusations from people who lack any sense of humor or real life experience.

All forum threads like this do, is alienate people who disagree with you and cause drama like the world needs more of it.
 
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