The INFJ Super 'Ti' Support Thread

Well. I am teacher and I like working with people, but I find some of me in your description. I think I can look more Ti than I am, depends on mood. And I am definetly not "unicorn loving type of infj". I mean, I like Lord of the rings, but more because it is story about tough decisions and people who make them. I prefer Aragorn to Legolas:), I prefer Gandalf to Legolas...Sometimes I even prefer Gandalf to Aragaron ( I said too much:)...And I can't stand Harry Potter...And I am defintely tomboyish inside (I never played with dolls as a child...). And I give free hugs only if I am forced to do that...:)
 
I love unicorns!

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Are you one of those INFJs that just don't get "those other touchy-feely, unicorn-loving*" INFJs? Do you roll your eyes when you see descriptions, such as "Mystic", "Psychic", "Counselor", etc. applied to your type? Is your personal motto, "I love humanity... it's just the people I can't stand..."? Are you attracted to science, mathematics, and/or technology? Is logic your religion? Did you test as an INTJ or an INTP, but upon interacting with the INTx crowd, felt that something just wasn't right? Are you a sensitive, yet manly-man kind of male, or a "tomboyish" female (well, at least on the inside)? Do you perceive yourself as icy cold on the outside whilst stoking the hot flames of passion on the inside? Do you consider INFJ career options to be complete and utter poppycock (I mean, come on! Clergy?!?)?

If any or all of the above apply, then you very well could be an INFJ with a well developed Ti function. Your tertiary Ti function may in fact be so well developed that it overrides your auxiliary Fe function. How about that? Now it makes sense, all those people asking, "What's wrong?" or "Why are you so unhappy?" when you are lost in positive, constructive thought ("Nothing's wrong, dammit! It's just that my Ti disengages my Fe!").

This is an interesting proposition. Because the majority of type stereotypes come from the conclusion that said type only uses their dominant and auxiliary functions- and only uses them in the most stereotypical of ways. The key to understanding how not every INFJ man or woman is a dithering, pacifist pushover with higher ideals then their boots are made for- is understanding that Ti and Se development in an INFJ can make them exceptional people- capable of change, reform, visionary accomplishments and development of high ethical and moral standards in just about anything they put their souls into.

The best thing to do, is as SoT said, is to observe others, then put it to practice. In particular try and work Fe in ways that you find odd or unconfortable. The only way you will be able to become "proficent" is if you learn how to actually use it actively. It shouldn't be hard if you are an INFJ.

This is how I work(ed) on my Se, by putting it to active practice in ways that I am unconfortable with. It's the only way I'll learn, and I have learned a lot and made a lot of progress.

I think the development of Fe for INFJs, especially for those in the state of a dominant-tertiary loop, is actually a huge subject and is far more complicated than this. I think it would be great if people spent more time proposing/developing indepth strategies for stronger Fe development.
 
Tertiary functions develop more with age. At 33, I'd say my Ti is pretty well developed but not more-so than my Fe.
 
Wasnt there another thread recently that said that if you have an over developed tertiary function then you probably have a mental disorder?

It's one thing to have an underdeveloped Fe. It's another to be stuck in a Ni-Ti loop.

An underdeveloped Fe is going to be what the OP described as. In fact, I'm inclined to think it has more to do with confidence than actual development. For example, a person with a well developed Fe function could just be uncomfortable using it due to what his/her environment might require.

Being in a Ni-Ti loop is when an INFJ purposely, completely shuts off their Fe. This is a very scary and neurotic INFJ who is extremely detached from reality and judges everything from a completely subjective standpoint. When in this "state", nothing holds any sort of moral ground. Every horrible act can be justified by subjective logic, and the only time Fe is used is to pass judgment. Think "Yagami Light" from Death Note, who is the perfect encapsulation of such a person.

I've been through both, though at the moment, I relate more to the OP's description. So, hello, club! (:
 
Super Ti to the rescue...
Okay, is it bad that this thread made me laugh??
 
Super Ti to the rescue...
Okay, is it bad that this thread made me laugh??
It made me laugh too.

I was actually surprised that this thread was just made last night.
 
Being in a Ni-Ti loop is when an INFJ purposely, completely shuts off their Fe. This is a very scary and neurotic INFJ who is extremely detached from reality and judges everything from a completely subjective standpoint. When in this "state", nothing holds any sort of moral ground. Every horrible act can be justified by subjective logic, and the only time Fe is used is to pass judgment. Think "Yagami Light" from Death Note, who is the perfect encapsulation of such a person.
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I went through a period of a few years where I did that. Completely shut off my Fe. I wasn't aware of this at the time but looking back it makes sense. It was a very dark time in my life. I was pretty much incapable of crying during that time. It sucked. I was a total ice queen. :/
 
We're not INTJs, we're just more balanced INFJs.

Balance is key to a happy, successful life. Too many people limit themselves by blaming their inferior functions for ineptness of various sorts. You need both social and logical skills to navigate life. Feeling and thinking are intertwined and support each other. So, work on all your functions, consciously and deliberately. And, accept the inevitable, but healthy, discomfort that happens when you transcend your self-imposed limits.

I'm still working on being more sociable and open to people, but, as an extreme introvert, it's hard, very hard.
 
My Ti is strong, my Fe is weak, I guess you'd call me a Ti, INFJ.
 
I have well-developed Ti, thankfully, which balances out my ridiculous amounts of Fe. I give credit to my sister, who is a T type and who I hang out with every day. She balances me, and I balance her a bit too, I think :D

All functions have pros and cons, and I'm sure most people fluctuate a lot depending on many different things.
 
An underdeveloped Fe is going to be what the OP described as. In fact, I'm inclined to think it has more to do with confidence than actual development. For example, a person with a well developed Fe function could just be uncomfortable using it due to what his/her environment might require.
I think I am a product of my environment, as much as I disdain the thought of it.

I had a long think last night regarding the history of my Fe usage. I would have to say that I was in top form when I was a university student. This is most likely because of the environment tied to the college experience--people by and large were open to forming new relationships (friendships, etc.) and more accepting of others (my friendship circle was quite the eclectic crowd). I was often the 'go to' guy for issues/advice concerning my female friends (unrequited love, breakups, date rape, pregnancy, etc.), and sometimes for my male friends as well. In short, my Fe flourished as did I.

After graduating college I went to work as an instructor... at a college. Of course, again, I had no problems meeting/befriending people, but this was a commuter school as opposed to a liberal arts college (which I had graduated from), so it was little more slow going. Not to mention, as an instructor it just didn't 'seem right' to form friendships with students (I wanted to keep it professional). But nevertheless, I did well with my Fe (but not as well as when I was a student myself).

And then I moved to Japan, and my Fe 'died'. If one could ever succeed in ascribing a personality type to a nation or a culture, Japan (and Japanese) would definitely be granted the designation, ISTJ. Though I am sure that there are some decent, friendly, and nice people here, by and large, people here are fairly cold and distant, and what's worse, they aspire to be robots or automatons in all aspects of life (try to imagine Vulcans that are not as philosophical or insightful running around saying, "I don't know why... that's the way we've always done it..." and you kinda get the picture--without the pointed ears, of course). The concept of form over substance is pervasive here, so what you may consider Fe here (warmth and politeness in conversation exchanges) is all a show and lacks any amount of authenticity (the Japanese word for this is Tatemae or literally, 'standing in front of you'). I've tried reaching out. About half of the time I get no response, the other half of the time I get fake response. Repeat that a few hundred or thousand times and see what happens to your Fe.

The irony of my Japan experience is that I came here to study Japanese (with the goal of full fluency), so I could communicate and form deep friendships with people from (what appeared to me as) a fascinating culture. However, the insularity of the culture, and the many friendship/relationship false starts I have experienced here have lead me to give up (Die, Fe! Die, you miserable piece of ****!!! LOL).

What's funny is that whenever I go to a McDonald's here, there will invariably be a Westerner who has gone a week or two without a 'decent hamburger' or a Big Mac, so you'll see him/her stacking up his tray as if there is a worldwide shortage of ground beef and other deep friend trinkets. I'm kinda like that Westerner whenever I go back to the States, except that I substitute a Big Mac with a heaping dose of Fe--I'm chatting with shopkeepers, random strangers at Starbucks, etc., and you can't get me to shut up. I have to get my 'Fe fill' before my week's furlough from my emotional prision is up.

I've always considered myself to be fairly well-balanced with strong Ti (I do suck at reading people more than other INFJs--but I think that's more of an Ni-Se issue rather than an Fe one), so perhaps I coped with my emotionally devoid environment by leaning on my Ti a little more than I should have.
 
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I've been to Japan a number of times for business (most recently, last March) and have experienced a lot of difficulty in communicating with and understanding people in the context of their culture, which is very different from my own. The movie "Lost in Translation" really got it right from the Westerner's point of view. I've done well economically through my Japanese business relationships, but I feel like I'm walking on egg shells in that I'm always on the verge of making some fatal faux pas that will destroy all the good will and friendship I've managed to develop. It's stressful.
 
Is it non-fascination by Amelie and Litlle prince also sign of INFJ Super Ti:)?
 
hmm

We like a good caricature.

Those of us with INFJ preferences probably do break the mold much more often than we are given credit for.

Pretty sure I've got strong Fe.
Seems I've relied even more on really strong Ti to keep myself in check.

I have gone for long stretches of time not allowing myself to really feel.
I didn't consciously do it though, it was a natural reaction to stress.

To be comfortably numb is not so fun. I'd love to let down my guard, but
it is so hard to do in the world today. I am working on it though.

I have seriously questioned my sanity, as well as the sanity of everyone around me.
I believe any healthy human will recognize how ridiculous we are these days.

I suppose humans might have been better off in the past.
I mean... I think humans might have been more naturally in tune with themselves/everything.

It seems we are not fully aware of ourselves.
Our consciousness is in a process of development.

We are riding on the crest of a wave.
The waves have been coming for a long time.
They will continue to keep coming, because that's the way we like it.

Those of us that care to care, we are a special breed of crazies.
The best we can do is look at life/death with respect. Embrace love
and put fear aside. It is not an easy thing to do.
We are just stubborn enough, yet flexible enough to make the effort.

I think this is what drives us... our intuition nudges us along in this direction.

I'm not trying to be the mystic here... it just comes about naturally when we really think/feel.

Same with counseling. It happens naturally, but I'm not interested in counseling as a profession. Ugh.

Mystic + Counselor = Clergy, apparently.
I'm not really interested in leading a church in the traditional sense.

Not interested in leading a cult either, and as much as I'd love my own
personal harem, I would probably just get killed by a jealous dude or the gov't.

I do believe people should be guided towards fulfilling their greatest potential,
...so I could perhaps see myself fulfilling some role as a shaman.

At the same time, science is extremely fascinating to me.

I'm really interested in brains, fire, good vibrations (good music).

I'd rather not have my life revolve around money... I hate the fact that so many of our people are feeling
stuck in this awful system. We are mostly poisoned and zombified by this ugly civilization.

I do sometimes fantasize about pressing a red button and wiping out 99% of humanity.

But this is where we find ourselves... realistically what are we going to do about it?
We can't run away from the rest of the herd. Their numbers are too many, and they
will impact us no matter where we are in the world. While I'd love to run for the hills,
I think it's more important for us to stay visible, stay strong and try to set a good example for the children.

I think we just have to endure and rise above the bullshit as best we can.

Let's live good lives, learn to laugh and love.
 
It's really interesting reading about your experiences in Japan, Morgura.

I've had a fascination with Japan ever since I was about 8 and my best friend was Japanese american. I spent a lot of time at her house. Her traditional Japanese household was completely different from my fairly liberal american one.

We later had a Japanese exchange student through a program in Japan that linked up with 4h in the Us. There were like 6 american girls in my town that had Japanese exchange students through this program. It lasted a month. We would have all these get-togethers with all 6 american girls and their 6 japanese exchange students. We'd take them to all these touristy things. One of the get-togethers was a slumber party at my house. The american girls kept trying to keep the Japanese girls engaged but they kept shutting us out and just sticking with each-other. To a point that it became very rude and upsetting. This resulted in the american girls bonding over our feelings of rejection and deciding if they were going to be clannish, then we would be clannish too. So the slumber party became this east vs west battle. It was a very strange lesson in cultural dynamics. I was 13 at the time.

I have heard that foreigners who move to Japan are not accepted by the Japanese. Have you found this to be true?
 
The american girls kept trying to keep the Japanese girls engaged but they kept shutting us out and just sticking with each-other. To a point that it became very rude and upsetting. This resulted in the american girls bonding over our feelings of rejection and deciding if they were going to be clannish, then we would be clannish too. So the slumber party became this east vs west battle. It was a very strange lesson in cultural dynamics. I was 13 at the time.
Well, I would have had to been there to provide you with a more informed opinion on the matter (where was my slumber party invite? lol), but my guess is that they were probably intimidated by you and huddled together for protection/refuge. I do not think that they were trying to be snobbish or cliquish.

Also, Japanese are culturally conditioned from birth to think that English proficiency is the most difficult, painful, and unobtainable thing in the world. They relish it in the same way that you would relish the labor pains of childbirth--except that you're not rewarded with a child in the end. Consequently, they have some serious emotional hangups about communicating in English (hell, they even have serious emotional hangups communicating in Japanese). So, language barrier may have also figured into your friends' behavior. Of course, what I've said is a gross generalization in a way that only applies to 85% of the population. There are a lot of Japanese to which the above does not really apply.

I have heard that foreigners who move to Japan are not accepted by the Japanese. Have you found this to be true?
It's true, but also it goes both ways (i.e., Japan is not accepted by foreigners). If you can get over the mental block of non-acceptance, learn the language and try to understand the culture a little, there's no reason why Japan has to be a painful experience.

Mind you, I live in Tokyo, which is kinda like New York (i.e., foreigners, immigrants, etc. are just part of the urban landscape and they are accepted for the most part). Out in the countryside a foreigner could face more challenges...
 
To be comfortably numb is not so fun. I'd love to let down my guard, but
it is so hard to do in the world today. I am working on it though.
This kinda popped into my head the other day when I was doing my Fe self-analysis: The more I use Fe, the less I want to use it. It's as if the world sets up a negative feedback loop in that regard.

Mystic + Counselor = Clergy, apparently.
I'm not really interested in leading a church in the traditional sense.
I remember when I was in junior high and high school we took these career placement tests. Professions such as clergy, priest, reverend, etc. always came up at the top of my list, much to my disdain. Why? Because I hate organized religion. God, I dreaded those tests, and then years later when I learned about MBTI, and took some MBTI-based career interest tests to explore a more fulfilling career, guess what comes up at the top of the list of INFJs? Clergy. Bloody hell...
 
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To me it just sounds like INTJ who got the wrong result in the test..

I am like that... INTJ fighting with INFJ inside me. I want to leave only one of them to finally feel calm and I prefer INFJ though INTJ seems to be winning :/
 
I've spent some time among the INTJs. Though I have great respect and admiration for them (and kinda wish I could be an INTJ), I just don't "connect" with them. Not to say that I overwhelmingly "connect" with INFJs. LOL. I just don't connect with anybody. *sigh*
 
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