The Lure of Conspiracy.

They co-opted the rise of women and turned it to their ends

They want children raised by the state and by getting both men and women into the work place they can achieve that. Also it allows them to keep the workers divided and competing which drives down wages; also they have more people to tax now


What we are seeing is the evolution of consciousness, the individuation and actualization of men and women as more than their biological roles.

That is not to say that the economy is just fine, it isn't and is rooted in the ego centric "me first" mentality that where ego consciousness falls prey to inflation as it identifies itself as the total psyche.

I want to make a destinction between asserting yourself in a dog eat dog sense and standing up for yourself because you know whats really going on and are able to make an informed decision as to what is good for all

You only recognize cognition of your deeply held belief system as showing any kind of independence.....a deeply flawed position.


You also refuse to see that the cia is a human institution, and you will never admit that there are moral, just , intelligent people working there that are not trying to subjugate the planet (there are a bunch of monsters there too)
 
What we are seeing is the evolution of consciousness, the individuation and actualization of men and women as more than their biological roles.

That is not to say that the economy is just fine, it isn't and is rooted in the ego centric "me first" mentality that where ego consciousness falls prey to inflation as it identifies itself as the total psyche.

No we are being spanked by the illuminati until we wake up and take responsiblity for ourselves


You only recognize cognition of your deeply held belief system as showing any kind of independence.....a deeply flawed position.

You also refuse to see that the cia is a human institution, and you will never admit that there are moral, just , intelligent people working there that are not trying to subjugate the planet (there are a bunch of monsters there too)

Wrong i have posted plenty of clips by ex-cia people speaking truth

The CIA as an institution however is a pyramidal hierarchy that is part of a larger pyramidal hierarchy

It is the enforcement arm of the CFR
 
How do you know?

Yeah, that's what gets me, if the conspiracy is so shit hot then how can a bunch of morons in their bedrooms playing x-box have uncovered it in the first place?

Equally, its never a case that there's vested interests seeking to maximise their returns from any given situation and seeking to exploit any random events or accidents for their benefit, which is plausible and believeable even as its not deliberative or evil per se but just "business" (I accept that it may be unethical but the crazy mysticism of business ethics has always been like this, even Adam Smith thought the market was a mechanism of transforming individual selfishness to the common good), but that those same given situations and random events or accidents are caused in the first place.

It'd be impossible presently with the technology that exists now so its crazy to think its been something that has been going on since time immemorial, all that's known because people tried that sort of control of life and events and it was not secret, it was a very public ordeal called communism (whether you agree it was a true representative of that or not it was called communism none the less) and none of the states which attempted it could overcome the information problems arising in the process, Hayek made the argument well and most socialists capitulated or pretty much dreamt up ways that computers or other iterative information systems would function as a reinvented market. So we're meant to believe that what states with all their resources and innovations could not achieve has been achieved even before the days of the modern state by a bunch of bavarians meeting in their club houses?

And then you get into the true weirdness of esoteric spirituality in which its all just history repeating itself with different actors performing the same set piece roles ad infinitum all dating back to pharoahs in ancient egypt claiming they were the offspring of the sun in the sky!!

There's no way you can frame or reframe that in which its not bonkers but that's what all this conspiracy theorising boils down to, the duller, less connected explanations like class struggle or the opportunism of elites, legacies exploiting events and defending their money never suffice.
 
Yeah, that's what gets me, if the conspiracy is so shit hot then how can a bunch of morons in their bedrooms playing x-box have uncovered it in the first place?

I think you'll find that the guys talking the most about the conspiracy are not playing on an Xbox

They wouldn't have time to do that AND research the conspiracy and besides they would be too suspicious of the Xbox as being a surveillance device in their living room

Equally, its never a case that there's vested interests seeking to maximise their returns from any given situation and seeking to exploit any random events or accidents for their benefit, which is plausible and believeable even as its not deliberative or evil per se but just "business" (I accept that it may be unethical but the crazy mysticism of business ethics has always been like this, even Adam Smith thought the market was a mechanism of transforming individual selfishness to the common good), but that those same given situations and random events or accidents are caused in the first place.

It'd be impossible presently with the technology that exists now so its crazy to think its been something that has been going on since time immemorial, all that's known because people tried that sort of control of life and events and it was not secret, it was a very public ordeal called communism (whether you agree it was a true representative of that or not it was called communism none the less) and none of the states which attempted it could overcome the information problems arising in the process, Hayek made the argument well and most socialists capitulated or pretty much dreamt up ways that computers or other iterative information systems would function as a reinvented market. So we're meant to believe that what states with all their resources and innovations could not achieve has been achieved even before the days of the modern state by a bunch of bavarians meeting in their club houses?

No it wasn't a 'bunch of bavarians'

Adam weishaupt who had links to the jesuits met with amschel rothschild and other secret society members....but anyway

You could frame the conspiracy in various ways

For example...lets ignore the fact that certain institutions such as the british monarchy, the vatican and the freemasons have been around for hundreds of years and lets imagine that there are no groups with any continous lineage....

So despite there being no continuous lineage certain organisatiosn form which are hierarchical

The people at the top of different hierarchies then start to trade with some other hierarchies and compete with others.

So what is it that the people at the top of those hierarchies all have in common? A conspiracy of power hunger? A conspiracy of lack of empathy? A conspiracy of aggression?

is there something that binds the people at the top of all societies together?

Lets take Icke's lizard concept for example. Now icke is not speaking allegorically...he means that they are reptillians

But if you imagine that everytime he says 'reptilian' he's actually saying 'psychopath' everything he says makes perfect sense

Or

you could imagine that the human brain is made up of a mammal part and a reptilian part. The reptilian part os the oldest part and is responsible for aggressive territorial behaviours whislt the mammalian part is responsible for our more nurturing aspect of our nature

So if you imagine that everytime that icke says 'reptilian' he is actually talking about people who are driven more by the reptilian part of their brain than their mammalian part everything he says still works

And then you get into the true weirdness of esoteric spirituality in which its all just history repeating itself with different actors performing the same set piece roles ad infinitum all dating back to pharoahs in ancient egypt claiming they were the offspring of the sun in the sky!!

There's no way you can frame or reframe that in which its not bonkers but that's what all this conspiracy theorising boils down to, the duller, less connected explanations like class struggle or the opportunism of elites, legacies exploiting events and defending their money never suffice.

It's just that you have it the wrong way round....

Instead of trying to lay the conspiracy over the top of a canvas of class struggle you have to lay the class struggle over the top of the canvas of conspiracy

So marx here is concealing his hand in is top...this is a hand sign of the hidden hand secret societies:

Karl-Marx-3.jpg
 
British public are waking upto the conspiracy

[video=youtube;35PvAoH5IPk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35PvAoH5IPk#t=210[/video]
 
@muri at first I thought you simply had an overactive imagination and mind. Talk to your family, friends whatever and ask them what they really think of your conspiracy talk. From someone living in the real world I have to tell you, you dont sound grounded in reality at all.

Whatever your mind will do to try and not hear what I am saying, turn it off and get help.
 
@muri at first I thought you simply had an overactive imagination and mind. Talk to your family, friends whatever and ask them what they really think of your conspiracy talk. From someone living in the real world I have to tell you, you dont sound grounded in reality at all.

Whatever your mind will do to try and not hear what I am saying, turn it off and get help.

that is if he hasn't already driven off his family from his obvious obsession. It seems to me that if he is like this in the real world, then the only ones close to him are those who completely agree with him. Judging by his attitude, thosepeople are also probably subordinate in his life, him being the lead one to talk about all his "theories" and the way the world supposedly works. I couldn'tbelieve if he doesn't continue or at least try to continue this role of "teacher" in his real life. It seems to integral to his behavior. If this obsessiveness is equaly present, then the only people who would stand to be around him are those who agree with him.
However as a guess, he probably is only this obsessive online. Combine that with the obvious people skills, and he probably does have close friends/family. However such a strong opinion of one's own"knowledge" wouldn't go entirely unused in the real world. Depending on the person he is close to, they are either similar conspiracy theorists, or just shrug off his comments. ,Just my two cents
 
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By Ilan Shrira on September 11, 2008 - 1:23am
A friend of mine recently convinced me to watch "Loose Change", a documentary about the alleged conspiracy and cover-up of the 9/11 terrorist attacks by the U.S. government. I'm not a big fan of conspiracy theories, and I knew little of the specific theories surrounding 9/11, but I watched the film with the most open mind I could muster.

I found the film to be very engaging, and though I didn't buy the film's conspiracy and cover-up hypotheses, it did make me question whether something important was being kept secret. Seeing the conspiracy theories laid out so confidently and so sensationalistically also helped me to understand why one-third to one-half of Americans believe that our government either was somehow involved in the attacks or covered up information about them.

One reason I generally have trouble accepting conspiracy theories is that they're usually based on far-fetched claims that are nearly impossible to disprove, or prove. My skepticism is further strengthened by the fact that we humans have an assortment of cognitive biases that can distort our judgments and allow us to maintain beliefs despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Some of these biases include the tendency to see patterns where none exist, and to interpret new information and recall old information in ways that confirm our expectations and beliefs. However, most of the time we're unaware of these biases and overly confident that our perceptions represent the objective truth.


image

This is not to say that conspiracies never happen, or that I'm immune from engaging in my own conspiracy-like thinking sometimes. It just means that one of my own biases is to doubt these sorts of theories.

Rather than speculating about the existence of specific conspiracies, I find a far more intriguing topic to be the psychology behind conspiracy thinking. Fortunately, an excellent book called Empire of Conspiracy by Tim Melley explores this issue.

Melley seeks to explain why conspiracy theories and paranoia have become so pervasive in American culture in recent decades. He discusses some of the paranoia behind our obsessions with political assassinations, gender and race relations, stalkers, mind control, bureaucracies, and the power of corporations and governments.

Melley proposes that conspiracy thinking arises from a combination of two factors, when someone: 1) holds strong individualist values and 2) lacks a sense of control. The first attribute refers to people who care deeply about an individual's right to make their own choices and direct their own lives without interference or obligations to a larger system (like the government). But combine this with a sense of powerlessness in one's own life, and you get what Melley calls agency panic, "intense anxiety about an apparent loss of autonomy" to outside forces or regulators.

imageWhen fervent individualists feel that they cannot exercise their independence, they experience a crisis and assume that larger forces are to blame for usurping this freedom. "For one who refuses to relinquish the assumptions of liberal individualism, such newly revealed forms of regulation frequently seem so unacceptable or unbelievable that they can only be met with anxiety, melodrama, or panic."

Although Melley doesn't present any empirical data to show that conspiracy thinking has been increasing for these reasons, some research by psychologist Jean Twenge is consistent with his hypotheses. Twenge's research examines how Americans' personality traits have been changing over the past several decades. She reviews the results of hundreds of studies published from the 1960s through the end of the century, looking at the personality scores for each year. For example, she finds that trait anxiety (or neuroticism) has been rising dramatically in both children and adults over this period.

In another study, she shows that people have come to hold an increasingly stronger external "locus of control"; this refers to the feeling that external forces are determining what happens to you, as opposed to an internal locus of control, the feeling that you dictate your own outcomes. Twenge suggests that the stronger external locus of control reflects our ever-increasing exposure to uncontrollable events and a rise in the "victim mentality" of our culture. (Is this sounding familiar?)

Individualistic values have also been getting stronger in our culture, with greater importance attached to personal freedoms and self-reliance. The U.S. currently ranks highest in individualism compared to all other nations in the world.

The rise in anxiety, individualism, and external locus of control may therefore underlie the rise in conspiracy thinking. This is somewhat troubling because these personality trends show no sign of leveling off. In fact, given the current pace of globalization and the "Americanization" of other countries, it seems likely that these personality traits (and conspiracy thinking) will be increasing elsewhere too.

But what's the actual appeal of believing in conspiracy theories? What purpose do they serve people?

For one thing, conspiracy theories help us cope with distressing events and make sense out of them. Conspiracies assure us that bad things don't just happen randomly. Conspiracies tell us that someone out there is accountable, however unwittingly or secretly or incomprehensibly, so it's possible to stop these people and punish them and in due course let everyone else re-establish control over their own lives. Conspiracies also remind us that we shouldn't blame ourselves for our predicaments; it's not our fault, it's them! In these ways, believing in conspiracies serves many of the same self-protective functions as scapegoating.

In addition to the changes in personality, conspiracy theories are also growing more popular because of the mass media, which circulates these ideas to a wider audience and indoctrinates more believers. Plus, the sheer amount of information in today's media increases the odds that someone will detect "coincidences" or "patterns" that serve to fuel these beliefs. These trends in the media won't be reversing themselves anytime soon either.

Does all this mean we should expect even more conspiracy theorizing and paranoia to come? Will conspiracy theories ever become a dominant ideology in our culture the way scapegoating sometimes is in other cultures?

It's not clear whether we've reached any sort of tipping point yet. But if polls are any indication, the events of 9/11 may have transformed conspiracy theories from "implausible visions of a lunatic fringe" to a mainstream response to the most disturbing of events.

How are we to prevent this kind of thinking from taking us hostage?



(This post was co-authored by Josh Foster.)

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By Ilan Shrira on September 11, 2008 - 1:23am
A friend of mine recently convinced me to watch "Loose Change", a documentary about the alleged conspiracy and cover-up of the 9/11 terrorist attacks by the U.S. government. I'm not a big fan of conspiracy theories, and I knew little of the specific theories surrounding 9/11, but I watched the film with the most open mind I could muster.

I found the film to be very engaging, and though I didn't buy the film's conspiracy and cover-up hypotheses, it did make me question whether something important was being kept secret. Seeing the conspiracy theories laid out so confidently and so sensationalistically also helped me to understand why one-third to one-half of Americans believe that our government either was somehow involved in the attacks or covered up information about them.

One reason I generally have trouble accepting conspiracy theories is that they're usually based on far-fetched claims that are nearly impossible to disprove, or prove. My skepticism is further strengthened by the fact that we humans have an assortment of cognitive biases that can distort our judgments and allow us to maintain beliefs despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Some of these biases include the tendency to see patterns where none exist, and to interpret new information and recall old information in ways that confirm our expectations and beliefs. However, most of the time we're unaware of these biases and overly confident that our perceptions represent the objective truth.


image

This is not to say that conspiracies never happen, or that I'm immune from engaging in my own conspiracy-like thinking sometimes. It just means that one of my own biases is to doubt these sorts of theories.

Rather than speculating about the existence of specific conspiracies, I find a far more intriguing topic to be the psychology behind conspiracy thinking. Fortunately, an excellent book called Empire of Conspiracy by Tim Melley explores this issue.

Melley seeks to explain why conspiracy theories and paranoia have become so pervasive in American culture in recent decades. He discusses some of the paranoia behind our obsessions with political assassinations, gender and race relations, stalkers, mind control, bureaucracies, and the power of corporations and governments.

Melley proposes that conspiracy thinking arises from a combination of two factors, when someone: 1) holds strong individualist values and 2) lacks a sense of control. The first attribute refers to people who care deeply about an individual's right to make their own choices and direct their own lives without interference or obligations to a larger system (like the government). But combine this with a sense of powerlessness in one's own life, and you get what Melley calls agency panic, "intense anxiety about an apparent loss of autonomy" to outside forces or regulators.

imageWhen fervent individualists feel that they cannot exercise their independence, they experience a crisis and assume that larger forces are to blame for usurping this freedom. "For one who refuses to relinquish the assumptions of liberal individualism, such newly revealed forms of regulation frequently seem so unacceptable or unbelievable that they can only be met with anxiety, melodrama, or panic."

Although Melley doesn't present any empirical data to show that conspiracy thinking has been increasing for these reasons, some research by psychologist Jean Twenge is consistent with his hypotheses. Twenge's research examines how Americans' personality traits have been changing over the past several decades. She reviews the results of hundreds of studies published from the 1960s through the end of the century, looking at the personality scores for each year. For example, she finds that trait anxiety (or neuroticism) has been rising dramatically in both children and adults over this period.

In another study, she shows that people have come to hold an increasingly stronger external "locus of control"; this refers to the feeling that external forces are determining what happens to you, as opposed to an internal locus of control, the feeling that you dictate your own outcomes. Twenge suggests that the stronger external locus of control reflects our ever-increasing exposure to uncontrollable events and a rise in the "victim mentality" of our culture. (Is this sounding familiar?)

Individualistic values have also been getting stronger in our culture, with greater importance attached to personal freedoms and self-reliance. The U.S. currently ranks highest in individualism compared to all other nations in the world.

The rise in anxiety, individualism, and external locus of control may therefore underlie the rise in conspiracy thinking. This is somewhat troubling because these personality trends show no sign of leveling off. In fact, given the current pace of globalization and the "Americanization" of other countries, it seems likely that these personality traits (and conspiracy thinking) will be increasing elsewhere too.

But what's the actual appeal of believing in conspiracy theories? What purpose do they serve people?

For one thing, conspiracy theories help us cope with distressing events and make sense out of them. Conspiracies assure us that bad things don't just happen randomly. Conspiracies tell us that someone out there is accountable, however unwittingly or secretly or incomprehensibly, so it's possible to stop these people and punish them and in due course let everyone else re-establish control over their own lives. Conspiracies also remind us that we shouldn't blame ourselves for our predicaments; it's not our fault, it's them! In these ways, believing in conspiracies serves many of the same self-protective functions as scapegoating.

In addition to the changes in personality, conspiracy theories are also growing more popular because of the mass media, which circulates these ideas to a wider audience and indoctrinates more believers. Plus, the sheer amount of information in today's media increases the odds that someone will detect "coincidences" or "patterns" that serve to fuel these beliefs. These trends in the media won't be reversing themselves anytime soon either.

Does all this mean we should expect even more conspiracy theorizing and paranoia to come? Will conspiracy theories ever become a dominant ideology in our culture the way scapegoating sometimes is in other cultures?

It's not clear whether we've reached any sort of tipping point yet. But if polls are any indication, the events of 9/11 may have transformed conspiracy theories from "implausible visions of a lunatic fringe" to a mainstream response to the most disturbing of events.

How are we to prevent this kind of thinking from taking us hostage?



(This post was co-authored by Josh Foster.)

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that is if he hasn't already driven off his family from his obvious obsession. It seems to me that if he is like this in the real world, then the only ones close to him are those who completely agree with him. Judging by his attitude, thosepeople are also probably subordinate in his life, him being the lead one to talk about all his "theories" and the way the world supposedly works. I couldn'tbelieve if he doesn't continue or at least try to continue this role of "teacher" in his real life. It seems to integral to his behavior. If this obsessiveness is equaly present, then the only people who would stand to be around him are those who agree with him.
However as a guess, he probably is only this obsessive online. Combine that with the obvious people skills, and he probably does have close friends/family. However such a strong opinion of one's own"knowledge" wouldn't go entirely unused in the real world. Depending on the person he is close to, they are either similar conspiracy theorists, or just shrug off his comments. ,Just my two cents
Good points. He may be using online medium as an outlet much as I do myself.
 
If you could watch this presentation, and tell me it's complete bunk, it'd help me out so much.

Because otherwise, I have to carry the weight of this all by myself.

Please, someone, help me understand that this isn't real.

Thanks in advance. I look forward to your reply.

Also, in a related issue according to my conspiracy theory, help me understand GMO/Monsanto seed patenting in a way that makes sense, beyond the view I have come to understand.

Lets address these things so we can all get back to doing whatever we enjoy best. Help save those of us who suffer from the wacky ideas that plague us and annoy so many others...

Perhaps, nothing is ever really planned, and perhaps no plans are ever really executed, at least not to the magnitude I've considered.

I'm open to hearing your perspectives. Thanks again!

[video=youtube;c34U0Pwz4_c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c34U0Pwz4_c[/video]
 
If you could watch this presentation, and tell me it's complete bunk, it'd help me out so much.

Because otherwise, I have to carry the weight of this all by myself.

Please, someone, help me understand that this isn't real.

Thanks in advance. I look forward to your reply.

Also, in a related issue according to my conspiracy theory, help me understand GMO/Monsanto seed patenting in a way that makes sense, beyond the view I have come to understand.

Lets address these things so we can all get back to doing whatever we enjoy best. Help save those of us who suffer from the wacky ideas that plague us and annoy so many others...

Perhaps, nothing is ever really planned, and perhaps no plans are ever really executed, at least not to the magnitude I've considered.

I'm open to hearing your perspectives. Thanks again!

[video=youtube;c34U0Pwz4_c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c34U0Pwz4_c[/video]

I don't know about chemical trails from planes as a plan for geo-engineering, but I know a thing or two about crops. I live on a farm. However you will need to clarify what points have you troubled/confused.
 
I don't know about chemical trails from planes as a plan for geo-engineering, but I know a thing or two about crops. I live on a farm. However you will need to clarify what points have you troubled/confused.

It's very simple...he's asking you to watch the video
 
@muri at first I thought you simply had an overactive imagination and mind. Talk to your family, friends whatever and ask them what they really think of your conspiracy talk. From someone living in the real world I have to tell you, you dont sound grounded in reality at all.

Whatever your mind will do to try and not hear what I am saying, turn it off and get help.

The economy is collapsing, there is a new cold war between the US and Russia which is threatening to go hot at any moment, we have new 'terrorist' organisations springing up in the middle east making threats to destabilise the world, we have environmental catastrophies and are in the middle of a massive uptick in extinctions of species and you wanna tell me that nothing is going on?

Something is going on and you'd know that f you would lookat some of the information i am posting

If you are not willling to do that then please quieten down because no matter how many times you call me crazy i know that you are in fact the one who is blind
 
that is if he hasn't already driven off his family from his obvious obsession. It seems to me that if he is like this in the real world, then the only ones close to him are those who completely agree with him. Judging by his attitude, thosepeople are also probably subordinate in his life, him being the lead one to talk about all his "theories" and the way the world supposedly works. I couldn'tbelieve if he doesn't continue or at least try to continue this role of "teacher" in his real life.

muir is a vehicle for discussion online. muir is not the author behind muir

muir is a kind of anachronistic character with one foot in a swirling misty past and one foot in the cutting edge world of technology

muir is a teacher in a way yes because the internet permits the easy transfer of information that is not so easy to transfer in the real world unless a person is interested because a real world conversation flows from one comment to the next wheras online discussions allow people to post their thoughts on the subject but muir is also learning (we are all doing this...sharing and learning, teacher and student)

The distance that muir allows me allows me to speak with a level of honesty that many othetr people don't feel they have becuase they represent themselves here. This is because people are here for different reasons. Those here with the main aim of meeting others will represent themselves and will curb their behaviour to be more agreeable but thos here to learn and share what they've learned might want to keep a bit of distance so that they can maintain an intellectual objectivity

REMEMBER YOU CHOOSE WHAT TO ENGAGE WITH HERE. ITS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY WHAT AND WHO YOU SPEAK TO AND LISTEN TO

SO TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR HAVING ENGAGED ME IN DISCUSSION

All you have to do is decide what stuff interests you and what doesn't. ignore the stuff that doesn't and explore the stuff that does. But the fact that you keep engaging with these subject matters and with me suggests that on some level you are interested

Look at eventhorizon for exmaple......he doesn't look at what i post...he just chips in occiasionally to say i'm crazy. he's not interested in new information...he just wants to get me to stop putting the information out there

He can't say 'STFU' because that would make him look bad so he tries to discredit what i say by calling me crazy. However he has admitted to having many personal problems and depression. I think he would be better learning to enagage with the truth

It seems to integral to his behavior. If this obsessiveness is equaly present, then the only people who would stand to be around him are those who agree with him.
However as a guess, he probably is only this obsessive online. Combine that with the obvious people skills, and he probably does have close friends/family. However such a strong opinion of one's own"knowledge" wouldn't go entirely unused in the real world. Depending on the person he is close to, they are either similar conspiracy theorists, or just shrug off his comments. ,Just my two cents

I do indeed have close friends and family :)

I'm also branching out into new areas both in terms of work and social life and meeting new people and contacts all the time. I have some exciting projects beginnign to take root at the moment

The reality of these things being discussed is that everytime i say something is happening and get called crazy for it it then gets talked about in the mainstream media and i get proven to be right lol

This must be really annoying to you people who are trying to hold back the truth

But you too won't be able to deny things once they become common knowledge

You are like King Canute trying to hold back the incoming tide
 
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By Ilan Shrira on September 11, 2008 - 1:23am
A friend of mine recently convinced me to watch "Loose Change", a documentary about the alleged conspiracy and cover-up of the 9/11 terrorist attacks by the U.S. government. I'm not a big fan of conspiracy theories, and I knew little of the specific theories surrounding 9/11, but I watched the film with the most open mind I could muster.

I found the film to be very engaging, and though I didn't buy the film's conspiracy and cover-up hypotheses, it did make me question whether something important was being kept secret. Seeing the conspiracy theories laid out so confidently and so sensationalistically also helped me to understand why one-third to one-half of Americans believe that our government either was somehow involved in the attacks or covered up information about them.

One reason I generally have trouble accepting conspiracy theories is that they're usually based on far-fetched claims that are nearly impossible to disprove, or prove. My skepticism is further strengthened by the fact that we humans have an assortment of cognitive biases that can distort our judgments and allow us to maintain beliefs despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Some of these biases include the tendency to see patterns where none exist, and to interpret new information and recall old information in ways that confirm our expectations and beliefs. However, most of the time we're unaware of these biases and overly confident that our perceptions represent the objective truth.


image

This is not to say that conspiracies never happen, or that I'm immune from engaging in my own conspiracy-like thinking sometimes. It just means that one of my own biases is to doubt these sorts of theories.

Rather than speculating about the existence of specific conspiracies, I find a far more intriguing topic to be the psychology behind conspiracy thinking. Fortunately, an excellent book called Empire of Conspiracy by Tim Melley explores this issue.

Melley seeks to explain why conspiracy theories and paranoia have become so pervasive in American culture in recent decades. He discusses some of the paranoia behind our obsessions with political assassinations, gender and race relations, stalkers, mind control, bureaucracies, and the power of corporations and governments.

Melley proposes that conspiracy thinking arises from a combination of two factors, when someone: 1) holds strong individualist values and 2) lacks a sense of control. The first attribute refers to people who care deeply about an individual's right to make their own choices and direct their own lives without interference or obligations to a larger system (like the government). But combine this with a sense of powerlessness in one's own life, and you get what Melley calls agency panic, "intense anxiety about an apparent loss of autonomy" to outside forces or regulators.

imageWhen fervent individualists feel that they cannot exercise their independence, they experience a crisis and assume that larger forces are to blame for usurping this freedom. "For one who refuses to relinquish the assumptions of liberal individualism, such newly revealed forms of regulation frequently seem so unacceptable or unbelievable that they can only be met with anxiety, melodrama, or panic."

Although Melley doesn't present any empirical data to show that conspiracy thinking has been increasing for these reasons, some research by psychologist Jean Twenge is consistent with his hypotheses. Twenge's research examines how Americans' personality traits have been changing over the past several decades. She reviews the results of hundreds of studies published from the 1960s through the end of the century, looking at the personality scores for each year. For example, she finds that trait anxiety (or neuroticism) has been rising dramatically in both children and adults over this period.

In another study, she shows that people have come to hold an increasingly stronger external "locus of control"; this refers to the feeling that external forces are determining what happens to you, as opposed to an internal locus of control, the feeling that you dictate your own outcomes. Twenge suggests that the stronger external locus of control reflects our ever-increasing exposure to uncontrollable events and a rise in the "victim mentality" of our culture. (Is this sounding familiar?)

Individualistic values have also been getting stronger in our culture, with greater importance attached to personal freedoms and self-reliance. The U.S. currently ranks highest in individualism compared to all other nations in the world.

The rise in anxiety, individualism, and external locus of control may therefore underlie the rise in conspiracy thinking. This is somewhat troubling because these personality trends show no sign of leveling off. In fact, given the current pace of globalization and the "Americanization" of other countries, it seems likely that these personality traits (and conspiracy thinking) will be increasing elsewhere too.

But what's the actual appeal of believing in conspiracy theories? What purpose do they serve people?

For one thing, conspiracy theories help us cope with distressing events and make sense out of them. Conspiracies assure us that bad things don't just happen randomly. Conspiracies tell us that someone out there is accountable, however unwittingly or secretly or incomprehensibly, so it's possible to stop these people and punish them and in due course let everyone else re-establish control over their own lives. Conspiracies also remind us that we shouldn't blame ourselves for our predicaments; it's not our fault, it's them! In these ways, believing in conspiracies serves many of the same self-protective functions as scapegoating.

In addition to the changes in personality, conspiracy theories are also growing more popular because of the mass media, which circulates these ideas to a wider audience and indoctrinates more believers. Plus, the sheer amount of information in today's media increases the odds that someone will detect "coincidences" or "patterns" that serve to fuel these beliefs. These trends in the media won't be reversing themselves anytime soon either.

Does all this mean we should expect even more conspiracy theorizing and paranoia to come? Will conspiracy theories ever become a dominant ideology in our culture the way scapegoating sometimes is in other cultures?

It's not clear whether we've reached any sort of tipping point yet. But if polls are any indication, the events of 9/11 may have transformed conspiracy theories from "implausible visions of a lunatic fringe" to a mainstream response to the most disturbing of events.

How are we to prevent this kind of thinking from taking us hostage?



(This post was co-authored by Josh Foster.)

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lol

what a lot of horseshit

wow i can't believe you'd fall for this kind of mind control.......this is like basic manipulation

See how they said suggest that if bad things are happening in your world then by blaming outside forces you are actually just pushing your anxiety outwards onto unrelated groups?

This is nonsense and demonstrably so

Imagine you are a jew in nazi germany

The nazis come to your door and drag you out and take you to a train station and push you onto cattle trucks at the point of a gun

Are you:

A. just paranoid there's no one out there who has designs on controlling you...it's just your anxiety
B. Imagining the whole thing.....just shut up, do what your told everything will be ok
C. being controlled by malevolent outside forces

Use your head and realise that the system writes pieces like this to try and soothe you back to sleep....its soporific nonsense

Go back to sleep america, your government is in control, go back to sleep, everything is ok, there's no funny business going on, just keep working, keep paying your taxes and STFU

If you look at the CV/profile of the article writers Ilan Shrira and Josh Foster and I you find he has associations to groups like the association for psychological sciecne which has ties to the Rockefellers

Be smart man and see how this is propaganda to try and make you...a citizen...feel like you have no power and no say over events in your country and that you should leave everything to your superiors like the rockefellers
 
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lol

what a lot of horseshit

wow i can't believe you'd fall for this kind of mind control.......this is like basic manipulation

See how they said suggest that if bad things are happening in your world then by blaming outside forces you are actually just pushing your anxiety outwards onto unrelated groups?

This is nonsense and demonstrably so

Imagine you are a jew in nazi germany

The nazis come to your door and drag you out and take you to a train station and push you onto cattle trucks at the point of a gun

Are you:

A. just paranoid there's no one out there who has designs on controlling you...it's just your anxiety
B. Imagining the whole thing.....just shut up, do what your told everything will be ok
C. being controlled by malevolent outside forces

Use your head and realise that the system writes pieces like this to try and soothe you back to sleep....its soporific nonsense

Go back to sleep america, your government is in control, go back to sleep, everything is ok, there's no funny business going on, just keep working, keep paying your taxes and STFU

Back on ignore. Get help my friend. I have no ill will toward you but you walk in a world of your own creation. It is a world that exists nowhere else other than in your own mind.
 
Poeple with LOW SELF ESTEEM are unable to accept alternative views....an answer to the article by Ilan Shrira:

http://vaticproject.blogspot.co.uk/2010/12/are-we-hard-wired-not-to-question-911.html

[h=2]2010-12-04[/h] [h=3]Are we hard-wired not to question 9/11 official story?[/h]
http://truthandshadows.wordpress.co...ard-wired-not-to-question-911-official-story/

I’m not into conspiracy theories, except the ones that are true or involve dentists. – Michael Moore
By Craig McKee

The human brain is a fascinating thing. It controls everything we perceive. It is the vehicle through which all information passes, the filter through which all external events are processed. We can use it to search for the truth, but it can also stop us from looking.

We believe that any opinion we might have is based simply on our understanding of the facts. Sure we all have our biases, but we’re aware of them, right?



Not necessarily. We may be aware of the obvious ones, but the subtle ways we resist facts presented to us often slip under the radar. The things that motivate us to defend what we believe to be true and to fight contrary opinions seem to have a lot to do with how we feel about ourselves.



At least that’s the contention of a recent article in the Boston Globe called “How facts backfire” (http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/07/11/how_facts_backfire). This story indicates that sometimes we stick to our beliefs on a certain subject, even when the facts presented to us contradict those opinions. It cited research that indicates that once we adopt a certain view of something, we will defend that view regardless of new information coming to our attention.

Having internalized our opinion, we are very hard to budge. In fact, we often dig in and defend our original opinion even harder when contrary facts are brought to our attention. Something about self-esteem, apparently. The more comfortable we are with ourselves, the more open we’ll be to alternative views.
An example given is the idea of Iraq having had Weapons of Mass Destruction. People who were convinced they were there held on to that view even when the facts contradicted this.

Talking to people about the “terrorist” attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 is a particular exercise in analysing human nature. It tells us more about how people think than it does about what they think.

People, for example, who think their government has positive or benign motives (even if it screws things up from time to time) are more likely to defend to the death the idea that 9/11 was the result of 19 Muslim terrorists led by Osama bin Laden attacking America for ideological reasons. Those who don’t automatically believe what authority figures say are much more likely to be open to other possibilities.

A 2008 Psychology Today article entitled “Paranoia, 9/11 and the roots of conspiracy theorists” (http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...aranoia-911-and-the-roots-conspiracy-theories) is very revealing about how people react to events that challenge their beliefs.
Ilan Shrira writes that he isn’t usually inclined to believe conspiracy theories. He did, however, agree to watch the 9/11 film Loose Change on the recommendation of a friend. The result: he was engaged but not convinced.

This excerpt from the article is very telling, perhaps in ways the author didn’t intend:
“One reason I generally have trouble accepting conspiracy theories is that they’re usually based on far-fetched claims that are nearly impossible to disprove, or prove. My skepticism is further strengthened by the fact that we humans have an assortment of cognitive biases that can distort our judgments and allow us to maintain beliefs despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Some of these biases include the tendency to see patterns where none exist, and to interpret new information and recall old information in ways that confirm our expectations and beliefs. However, most of the time we’re unaware of these biases and overly confident that our perceptions represent the objective truth.”

The author describes what he feels are the limitations of the perspectives of conspiracy theorists. But everything above could just as easily apply to someone who won’t accept a view other than the official story – even when overwhelming evidence indicates that the official story is full of holes.

The author’s reference to cognitive biases distorting our judgments could just easily apply to believers in the “official conspiracy theory.” And it can also be those defenders of the official story who won’t waver from their opinion “despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.”

Exchanges I’ve had recently with people over the Internet and in person reinforce the idea that we defend our beliefs regardless of the facts.

If the official story of 9/11 included explosives being placed in the World Trade Center, many more people would be open to the idea. It’s not the fact of explosives being involved that people are so opposed to (this was proposed on 9/11 by Peter Jennings, Dan Rather and others), it’s the idea that the “good guys” put them there. They don’t like the idea, so they’ll argue why it isn’t technically possible.

I have a friend (mentioned in a previous post) who conceded every point I had to make about the flaws in the official version of the Pentagon attack. But he couldn’t accept government complicity in the attacks – even when his own interpretation of the facts left little other conclusion.

And couldn’t the use of the word “paranoid” in the headline of the article be just as easily applied to those who are suspicious of people who question the official story?

It’s very interesting to do psychological studies of why people believe conspiracy theories, but I have an idea. Let’s do some studies about why people won’t.

 
lol

what a lot of horseshit

wow i can't believe you'd fall for this kind of mind control.......this is like basic manipulation

See how they said suggest that if bad things are happening in your world then by blaming outside forces you are actually just pushing your anxiety outwards onto unrelated groups?

This is nonsense and demonstrably so

Imagine you are a jew in nazi germany

The nazis come to your door and drag you out and take you to a train station and push you onto cattle trucks at the point of a gun

Are you:

A. just paranoid there's no one out there who has designs on controlling you...it's just your anxiety
B. Imagining the whole thing.....just shut up, do what your told everything will be ok
C. being controlled by malevolent outside forces

Use your head and realise that the system writes pieces like this to try and soothe you back to sleep....its soporific nonsense

Go back to sleep america, your government is in control, go back to sleep, everything is ok, there's no funny business going on, just keep working, keep paying your taxes and STFU

If you look at the CV/profile of the article writers Ilan Shrira and Josh Foster and I you find he has associations to groups like the association for psychological sciecne which has ties to the Rockefellers

Be smart man and see how this is propaganda to try and make you...a citizen...feel like you have no power and no say over events in your country and that you should leave everything to your superiors like the rockefellers

What's that? These sound like the ramblings of a depressed mind secretly begging for so much 'medication' that you'll be drooling (happily) until you can't speak anymore.

That's right I'm not the crazy one, y'all need the medicine, I'm still here or got resurrected into a better place from your hell hole after only 26 years of being stuck there.
 
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