The new war brought to you by liberal lies and propaganda.

Yeah I just agree very little with anything you have said here. Of course if an when people are being treated differently for any aspect of how they appear physically it needs to be recognized and removed. Obviously for whatever reason that can be difficult to do for some. Thats a serious issue when it happens. But I counter that its happening as much or anywhere near as much as liberal media would have the population believe. Its like a single house out of 300 million burns down on a slow news day. To everyone watching it seems like the world is ending when in reality 1000 houses burn down across the world every day.
News and Media need to be held responsible for promoting lies. Lies like police are going out of their way to target African Americans. If I thought I was being targeted for a some aspect of how I was, I would be pissed off as well. People need to be held accountable for what they say.
 
So I understand.

You are under the impression that racial profiling of African Americans either does not exist, or if it does its a rare event?

First of all the majority of African- Americans appear to disagree and Blacks in the U.S. have a significantly lower level of confidence in the police as an institution than do whites. About one in four young black men interviewed in Gallup's June 2013 Minority Rights poll said they had been treated unfairly in dealings with police in the past 30 days.

Can we trust the opinions of African Americans by admitting there is a problem here?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/175088/gallup-review-black-white-attitudes-toward-police.aspx
 
So I understand.

You are under the impression that racial profiling of African Americans either does not exist, or if it does its a rare event?

First of all the majority of African- Americans appear to disagree and Blacks in the U.S. have a significantly lower level of confidence in the police as an institution than do whites. About one in four young black men interviewed in Gallup's June 2013 Minority Rights poll said they had been treated unfairly in dealings with police in the past 30 days.

Can we trust the opinions of African Americans by admitting there is a problem here?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/175088/gallup-review-black-white-attitudes-toward-police.aspx
So I understand.

You are under the impression that racial profiling of African Americans either does not exist, or if it does its a rare event?

First of all the majority of African- Americans appear to disagree and Blacks in the U.S. have a significantly lower level of confidence in the police as an institution than do whites. About one in four young black men interviewed in Gallup's June 2013 Minority Rights poll said they had been treated unfairly in dealings with police in the past 30 days.

Can we trust the opinions of African Americans by admitting there is a problem here?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/175088/gallup-review-black-white-attitudes-toward-police.aspx
I am saying its far more rare than the liberal specific news wants people to believe.
 
So letw use this story as an example. Holder once said he knew what it was like to be targeted by police once as a kid for bieng black.

"Police car comes driving up, flashes his lights, yells, 'Where you going? Hold it,’” Holder told residents. “Now my cousin started mouthing off. I'm like, 'This is not where we want to go. Keep quiet.'”

“At the time that [the police officer] stopped me, I was a federal prosecutor. I wasn't a kid. I was a federal prosecutor. I worked at the United States Department of Justice,” he said. Holder said the encounter left him “angry and upset.”

The attorney general also described having his car searched during routine traffic stops on the New Jersey Turnpike."

Wow so police asked him where he was going. Crap has to be because he was black. Police searched his car. Has to be because he was black. Well if so then I guess I am black as well because I have been stopped by police which in my mind was for no reason. My car was searched numerous times when I was much younger.

And this is the problem. African Americans are taught at an early age police are out to get you. They hear it repeated by their peers who hear it from parents etc. It get passed down like a right of passage. Who can say why Holder was "stopped" omg, STOPPED by police! Maybe there had been a robbery in the area and the guy they were looking for fit his description. Its all a load of perpetuated bs.
 
And this is the problem. African Americans are taught at an early age police are out to get you. They hear it repeated by their peers who hear it from parents etc. It get passed down like a right of passage. Who can say why Holder was "stopped" omg, STOPPED by police! Maybe there had been a robbery in the area and the guy they were looking for fit his description. Its all a load of perpetuated bs.

So in effect what you are saying is that young black men have been brainwashed en masse by their parents and peers and there is no credible reasons why they should feel profiled or targeted by the police. Well I'm not a black man so I don't feel qualified to speak for their experience, but one does have to wonder where this perception started. Maybe you are black, and if you are, I will accept your opinion of your experience with your peers and parents as an opinion that may have some credibility. If you aren't a black man, then how can you presume to speak for their experience?
 
So in effect what you are saying is that young black men have been brainwashed en masse by their parents and peers and there is no credible reasons why they should feel profiled or targeted by the police. Well I'm not a black man so I don't feel qualified to speak for their experience, but one does have to wonder where this perception started. Maybe you are black, and if you are, I will accept your opinion of your experience with your peers and parents as an opinion that may have some credibility. If you aren't a black man, then how can you presume to speak for their experience?
I am not saying its the only thing that is happening but it is certainly part of it.
 
We have made history.

A post liked by @Skarekrow and @Eventhorizon in the New and Politics Forum. There is hope yet for America.

“And as I sat there brooding on the old, unknown world, I thought of Gatsby’s wonder when he first picked out the green light at the end of Daisy’s dock. He had come a long way to this blue lawn, and his dream must have seemed so close that he could hardly fail to grasp it. He did not know that it was already behind him, somewhere back in that vast obscurity beyond the city, where the dark fields of the republic rolled on under the night.

Gatsby believed in the green light, the orgastic future that year by year recedes before us. It eluded us then, but that's no matter—to-morrow we will run faster, stretch out our arms farther. . . . And one fine morning——

So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.”

F. Scott Fitzgerald, The Great Gatsby
 
I would like to point out that things are getting better. The fact that the killings of unarmed people by police officers is now a topic of national conversation is in itself a huge step in the right direction.

As far as the original post goes, and the mindset of the thread starter, and the name of the thread itself goes all I can really say is "how stupid can one man be?"
 
We have made history.

A post liked by @Skarekrow and @Eventhorizon in the New and Politics Forum. There is hope yet for America.

“And as I sat there brooding on the old, unknown world, I thought of Gatsby’s wonder when he first picked out the green light at the end of Daisy’s dock. He had come a long way to this blue lawn, and his dream must have seemed so close that he could hardly fail to grasp it. He did not know that it was already behind him, somewhere back in that vast obscurity beyond the city, where the dark fields of the republic rolled on under the night.

Gatsby believed in the green light, the orgastic future that year by year recedes before us. It eluded us then, but that's no matter—to-morrow we will run faster, stretch out our arms farther. . . . And one fine morning——

So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.”

F. Scott Fitzgerald, The Great Gatsby
I believe that @Skarekrow and I agree there are major problems holding us as a nation back. We disagree on the source of the probems. We also disagree with the potential solutions.
I would like to point out that things are getting better. The fact that the killings of unarmed people by police officers is now a topic of national conversation is in itself a huge step in the right direction.

As far as the original post goes, and the mindset of the thread starter, and the name of the thread itself goes all I can really say is "how stupid can one man be?"
I would like to point out that things are getting better. The fact that the killings of unarmed people by police officers is now a topic of national conversation is in itself a huge step in the right direction.

As far as the original post goes, and the mindset of the thread starter, and the name of the thread itself goes all I can really say is "how stupid can one man be?"

But stu thats just it. Its not a nation wide discussion on police officers killing unarmed people. Liberal mouth pieces are making it about black people specifically and thats total bs. As for the rest of your post, call me what you like. If I cared I might be hurt. As for the wording of the thread its 100 % accurate and justified.
Its not an attempt to piss people off, its the attempt to label things for exactly what they are.
 
Ha!
 
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Breitbart, not President Obama, said that 'Muslims built the very fabric of our nation'

WHAT'S TRUE: President Obama made reference to the "achievements and contributions of Muslim Americans to building the very fabric of our nation and strengthening the core of our democracy."

WHAT'S FALSE: President Obama said that "Muslims built the very fabric of our nation."

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/fabric.asp

Do you ever fact check anything?
 
Let's just rename liberal ideas as conservative and these people like eventhorizon who have political tunnel vision will just blindly accept it.
 
Yeah I just agree very little with anything you have said here. Of course if an when people are being treated differently for any aspect of how they appear physically it needs to be recognized and removed. Obviously for whatever reason that can be difficult to do for some. Thats a serious issue when it happens. But I counter that its happening as much or anywhere near as much as liberal media would have the population believe. Its like a single house out of 300 million burns down on a slow news day. To everyone watching it seems like the world is ending when in reality 1000 houses burn down across the world every day.
News and Media need to be held responsible for promoting lies. Lies like police are going out of their way to target African Americans. If I thought I was being targeted for a some aspect of how I was, I would be pissed off as well. People need to be held accountable for what they say.
News and Media need to be held responsible for promoting lies. Lies like police are going out of their way to target African Americans. If I thought I was being targeted for a some aspect of how I was, I would be pissed off as well. People need to be held accountable for what they say.
I strongly agree with this paragraph.

Seems the news folks vie for awards now too. Is spreading propaganda and exaggerating the story to make it mightier than it actually is the way to grab an award to set a shelf, to collect dust, while tackling the next tidbit of news to masterbate into a grand story? I think not. The truth has always been heavier than lies...one day perhaps folks will see this.
 
Not wanting to believe something you don't understand or haven't had the pleasure of experiencing first-hand does not make it a lie. Here's a recent example of police misconduct occurring in my home state:

The story of how cops stole $20,000 from Guillermo Espinoza, a construction worker with no criminal record, is sadly familiar in most respects: In July 2013, while driving through Arkansas on his way to Texas, Espinoza was pulled over by a state trooper who discovered a large amount of cash in the car, which he viewed as inherently suspicious. The money was seized and eventually forfeited based on vague allegations of drug-related activity. But there's a twist: There was so little evidence of such activity that local prosecutors decided to drop the forfeiture case. The judge would not let them, and last week a state appeals court declined to review that astounding decision because Espinoza had missed a filing deadline.

It's not clear why Arkansas State Police Sgt. Dennis Overton decided to stop Espinoza, who was traveling with his girlfriend, Priscila Hernandez. The legal justification for pulling Espinoza over was missing from the state's September 2013 forfeiture complaint, which referred without explanation to "the traffic stop," and from Circuit Court Judge Chris Williams' September 2014 order authorizing permanent confiscation of the money, which said only that the stop was "proper." In his response to the forfeiture complaint, Espinoza argued that the stop was illegal, so it would be nice to know what the rationale for it was. While police have no shortage of excuses for pulling motorists over, they are supposed to settle on at least one.

After the stop, Judge Williams said, a "State of Arkansas drug dog was transported to the site in order to conduct a search of the vehicle." That's a revealing way of putting it, since according to the Supreme Court walking a drug-sniffing dog around a car does not qualify as a search. But if the dog "alerts" to the car, the Court says, that alone supplies probable cause for a search. So what Williams evidently meant was that Sgt. Overton requested a drug dog on the assumption that it would give him the permission he needed to search the car. But according to Williams, "It is obvious from the tape [of the traffic stop] that the dog did not alert on the vehicle at the scene of the stop."

Undeterred, Overton asked for permission to search the car, which Espinoza supposedly granted—a pretty suspicious sequence of events. Why bother bringing in a drug dog to justify searching a car if the driver is willing to give his consent? In any case, Williams said, "the dog alerted on a computer bag," inside which Overton found $19,894 in cash, mostly wrapped in $1,000 bundles. Overton found no contraband, drug paraphernalia, or any other sign of illegal activity. But as far as he was concerned, the cash itself was conclusive evidence that Espinoza was involved in drug trafficking.

"I've worked this interstate for the last eight years," Overton told Espinoza, according to the transcript of the dashcam video, which Williams appended to his order. "Half of my career I've spent out here. OK? Nobody—nobody—carries their money like that but one person. OK? People that deal with drugs, and deliver drugs. That's it. Nobody else. Nobody." In other words, Overton always treats people who carry large amounts of cash as criminals, which proves that only criminals carry large amounts of cash.

Espinoza, who had no criminal record and was never charged in this case, said the money came from years of construction work, and he later presented checks, receipts, and tax forms to substantiate that income. He said he took the money with him to Memphis because he was planning to buy a 4x4 truck there. But he was not happy with the advertised vehicle, so he did not complete the purchase. He offered to show Overton text messages he had exchanged with the truck seller and said his boss, whom he offered to call, would vouch for him. Overton, already convinced of Espinoza's guilt, was not interested.

Aside from the existence of the cash and the police dog's purported alert to the computer bag, the forfeiture complaint offered no evidence that Espinoza was dealing or delivering drugs. It simply asserted that "the currency was being used for drug trafficking, to further the manufacture of a controlled substance or...to facilitate the violation of Arkansas Code Annotated Section 5-64-536," which criminalizes possessing with intent to deliver marijuana or any other "Schedule VI controlled substance." In other words, prosecutors not only had no real evidence that Espinoza had committed a crime or was planning to do so; they could not even be bothered to specify the crime.

Although vague charges supported by meager evidence are par for the course in civil forfeiture cases, someone at the Hot Spring County Prosecuting Attorney's Office had second thoughts about this case. "The Plaintiff has decided not to pursue the forfeiture of the currency," Deputy Prosecuting Attorney Teresa Howell said in a May 2014 motion, "and the In Rem Complaint should be dismissed without prejudice." Amazingly, Judge Williams went ahead with the forfeiture anyway, making the state's case for it by citing snatches of Spanish conversation between Espinoza and Hernandez that can be heard in the dashcam video.

The transcript of that conversation shows Espinoza was anxious that Overton would find the cash, which is either evidence of his criminal culpability or perfectly understandable in light of what ultimately happened to his money. It also shows Espinoza talking to his girlfriend about their trip to Graceland and his plan to buy a truck in Memphis, which Williams read as rehearsal of a cover story but which could also be taken at face value. Williams also made much of "inconsistent statements" by Espinoza and Hernandez, which could be explained by their limited English skills and nervousness.

Williams counted that nervousness as additional evidence of Espinoza's involvement in drug trafficking. After all, why would an innocent person be nervous when confronted by an armed agent of the state intent on searching his vehicle, implicating him in drug crimes, and seizing anything of value he might find? At the same time, Williams suggested that Espinoza was not nervous enough: "It is very obvious that Mr. Espinoza, during the whole stop which was filmed, was very stoic." Williams concluded that the state, which was no longer trying to prove its case, nevertheless had succeeded by meeting the "preponderance of the evidence" standard for civil forfeiture in Arkansas, meaning it was more likely than not that the money had something to do with illegal drugs. Williams rejected Espinoza's argument that the stop, detention, and search leading to the seizure were unconstitutional.

On appeal, Espinoza argued that Williams abused his discretion by refusing to let prosecutors drop the case, that the state had not met its burden of proof, and that the traffic stop was illegally extended to facilitate the canine inspection and search. The state appeals court declined to consider any of those issues because Espinoza missed the 30-day deadline for challenging Williams' decision and the 10-day deadline for extending the 30-day deadline. While concurring in that result, Judge Waymond Brown wrote separately to highlight the injustice Espinoza had suffered:

After exhaustive research and effort, I cannot see why the trial judge would decide to follow through with the forfeiture of Mr. Espinoza’s $19,894, when the charging agency moved to dismiss without prejudice, believing it lacked the evidence to confiscate the money....

In his order, the judge noted statements such as, "What are we going to do? They just found the money," and "Please don't find it, please don't find it" in determining that both Mr. Espinoza and his companion "knew that this illicit money was hauled down the road." Absent from the same order was the obvious language barrier that existed between Mr. Espinoza and the arresting officer, the officer's insistence that he had been a state trooper for sixteen years and there was only one reason someone would carry that much cash in his vehicle, the officer's apparent refusal to be shown text messages between Mr. Espinoza and the person from whom he said he wished to buy a truck, or even Mr. Espinoza's companion's statement, "You didn't tell me you had that money. You just told me we were coming to buy a truck."

Meanwhile, Mr. Espinoza presented the trial court with numerous paychecks from various construction jobs, as well as tax documents evidencing his argument that the money was lawfully earned. Nevertheless, the trial judge ordered forfeiture of the nearly $20,000. In response to Mr. Espinoza’s motion for reconsideration, the judge simply stated, "The Defendant’s Motion to Reconsider is denied and without merit." He gave no further explanation. I am of the belief that unsubstantiated suspicions are not just cause for circumventing established judicial practices.

Nor should unsubstantiated suspicions be cause for taking someone's property, even when prosecutors decide to give it a try. As state legislators around the country are beginning to recognize, laws that allow forfeiture without a criminal conviction (or even criminal charges) are an invitation to highway robbery.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/05/11/arkansas-trooper-steals-20000-because-no

They stole this man's money because of greed and racial prejudice.
 
Not wanting to believe something you don't understand or haven't had the pleasure of experiencing first-hand does not make it a lie. Here's a recent example of police misconduct occurring in my home state:



http://reason.com/blog/2016/05/11/arkansas-trooper-steals-20000-because-no

They stole this man's money because of greed and racial prejudice.
Not wanting to believe something you don't understand or haven't had the pleasure of experiencing first-hand does not make it a lie.

Where/to whom was this directed? Or is it a general statement in support of officials'misconduct? :)
 
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"WHAT'S TRUE: President Obama made reference to the "achievements and contributions of Muslim Americans to building the very fabric of our nation and strengthening the core of our democracy."

WHAT'S FALSE: President Obama said that "Muslims built the very fabric of our nation."

Origin:On 28 July 2014, Breitbart published an article under the headline "Obama: Muslims Built 'The Very Fabric of Our Nation" that referenced a 27 July 2014 statement issued by the White House on the occasion of the Muslim holiday of Eid-al-Fitr (which marks the end of the holy month of Ramadan).

That headline subsequently circulated on social media and was widely accepted as a direct quote from President Obama. However, the President's complete remarks, in context, were posted to the White House's web site and revealed a different substance than the misleading Breitbart headline that was widely circulated online: "http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/fabric.asp
It kills me that folks just post "quotes" without any attempt to verify.
 
Where/to whom was this directed? Or is it a general statement in support of officials'misconduct? :)

It's a general statement to anyone who feels that systemic racism is a lie being perpetuated by liberals or the media. If that is how you feel, I hope my point has come across that it isn't just political propaganda. There is, in fact, systemic racism in America. It gets dismissed due to post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacious reasoning, but remains nonetheless. It isn't necessarily the case that minorities are targeted because of their race/ethnicity, but rather because their race/ethnicity is an indicator of vulnerability (they are likely to be poor and put at a disadvantage) that they are targeted. They are easy prey and predatory behavior always seeks the path of least resistance.
 
It's a general statement to anyone who feels that systemic racism is a lie being perpetuated by liberals or the media. If that is how you feel, I hope my point has come across that it isn't just political propaganda. There is, in fact, systemic racism in America. It gets dismissed due to post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacious reasoning, but remains nonetheless. It isn't necessarily the case that minorities are targeted because of their race/ethnicity, but rather because their race/ethnicity is an indicator of vulnerability (they are likely to be poor and put at a disadvantage) that they are targeted. They are easy prey and predatory behavior always seeks the path of least resistance.
Thank you for claifying. My reference was to the effect that the news media tend to inflate a story that may have been quite different had they hugged more to the truth of the matter being objective of both sides to a story rather than over exemplifying it with subjectivity.
Misunderstood.:)

If that is how you feel, I hope my point has come across that it isn't just political propaganda.

We would be in a three day debate for me to explain my true feelings and beliefs on the topic of equality among the masses. Only during election years do they sweep the streets for stories to bring the issues into view...when in fact these issues are there every day, and have been for generations.

They are easy prey and predatory behavior always seeks the path of least resistance.

There are many groups in our current US society and globally that fall prey (victim) to other groups because of an antiquated mind set of "this one is better than that one". I abhor racism, bigotry, victimizations, polarizations, or any other form of one person lording over another. Regardless of social stature, creed, color, size, religion, etc. We are indeed all equal. Each one of us should uphold our individual responsibility to uphold the laws intended to provide such equality...the root source of the issue is the inherited mindsets of the folks making & breaking the law.
 
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