The Terrifying Trump

[Sloe Djinn]

Just me is bringing up a great point that scarecrow is ignoring. Trump is totally fucked in what he says, yes. But Hillary has already shown how fucked up she is by her past deeds. You don't want to bet on trump but the assumption is that you are all in with Hillary - of whom there is no doubt she will continue doing totally fucked up shit.

It is a valid point. I just can't believe I'm actually wistful at the thought of rewinding and having Jeb vs Bernie election. It really sucks that we can't seem to do anything to stop and fix this whole process and that there's this tacit acceptance and resignation to electing whoever is deemed the lesser of two evils.

 

[the]

While you are at it, @the respond to Dan Rather's comment about Trump's Second Amendment comment as quoted below:

No trying-to-be objective and fair journalist, no citizen who cares about the country and its future can ignore what Donald Trump said today. When he suggested ...that "The Second Amendment People" can stop Hillary Clinton he crossed a line with dangerous potential. By any objective analysis, this is a new low and unprecedented in the history of American presidential politics. This is no longer about policy, civility, decency or even temperament. This is a direct threat of violence against a political rival. It is not just against the norms of American politics, it raises a serious question of whether it is against the law. If any other citizen had said this about a Presidential candidate, would the Secret Service be investigating?

Candidate Trump will undoubtably issue an explanation; some of his surrogates are already engaged in trying to gloss it over, but once the words are out there they cannot be taken back. That is what inciting violence means.

To anyone who still pretends this is a normal election of Republican against Democrat, history is watching. And I suspect its verdict will be harsh. Many have tried to do a side-shuffle and issue statements saying they strongly disagree with his rhetoric but still support the candidate. That is becoming woefully insufficient. The rhetoric is the candidate.

This cannot be treated as just another outrageous moment in the campaign. We will see whether major newscasts explain how grave and unprecedented this is and whether the headlines in tomorrow's newspapers do it justice. We will soon know whether anyone who has publicly supported Trump explains how they can continue to do.

We are a democratic republic governed by the rule of law. We are an honest, fair and decent people. In trying to come to terms with today's discouraging development the best I can do is to summon our greatest political poet Abraham Lincoln for perspective:

"We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature."

Lincoln used these stirring words to end his First Inaugural Address. It was the eve of the Civil War and sadly his call for sanity, cohesion and peace was met with horrific violence that almost left our precious Union asunder. We cannot let that happen again.

My own personal belief about the Second Amendment is that it is in place for the States to protect themselves from the Feds. (Fitting that he quoted Lincoln btw...) It is only logical that if you are using a gun in such a situation that you would kill a member of the government, be that from the lowly pawn on the battlefield all the way to the highest seat of authority. So obviously yes, what do you think the Amendment is there for?

 

[Eventhorizon]

It is a valid point. I just can't believe I'm actually wistful at the thought of rewinding and having Jeb vs Bernie election. It really sucks that we can't seem to do anything to stop and fix this whole process and that there's this tacit acceptance and resignation to electing whoever is deemed the lesser of two evils.

I think the gop is in part responsible for this outcome having put Jeb out there in the first place. Jeb was/is an insult to every American. Not to say Clinton isnt but I took serious offense to the whole thing.

 

[just me]

@just me

I remember Satya.
As for the rest of what you wrote it has little to do with what this thread is about and is more your poorly shrouded dislike of me on a personal level.
Stick to the facts...which I have seen very little of produced by you.
It seems when the facts overwhelm you resort to a vague Bible verse, turn your nose up at that person, then put them on ignore when they really get under your skin.
Check yourself Mr. I’m more experienced therefore more wise.
You don’t know what kind of shit I’ve seen and done in my life and I don’t know about yours.
So again...stick to the facts, rebut them...but don’t compare me to someone else entirely then discount my opinion.
Man of God indeed.
I bet Trump will fly right on through the eye of that needle.
Pride, Greed, Envy and Slothfulness are all deadly sins.
Trump is the epitome of each.
Since when did being poor in America become a failing of the person born into a system with no upward mobility?
Not to mention the garbage that flies out of his mouth is certainly not something I want my children to hear...his racist, misogynist, empty words and promises...he has no plan...his advisors are Wall St. vultures.
Vote for the angry white (orange) guy (with tiny hands)...I’m sure it will all be super awesome...he is best pals with Putin, and we all know how calm and collected he is under pressure...he never says anything before carefully thinking it through.
Vote!

 

[just me]

It would take a lot for one of them to screw things more than Obama, and Hillary was helping him.

 

[Vicarious]

Looks like the shape shifting mechanism nearly seized up for a moment...

LOL, seizure.....

That doesn't look like a seizure to me, at all; not even a partial seizure. That looks more like a brief episode of vertigo.

Or her reptilian overlords have a strong dislike of iced coffee and are punishing her for her insolence. Who knows?...

 

[brightmoon]

Does being a General count and running a business not count? Yeah running a business is mere child's play - I mean get real man. Why people think running a business is not an accomplishment is beyond me. Even to fail as well as Trump has requires some skills.

I'm not saying its childs play to run a business, but it also needs to be said that the same skills it takes to run a business are not the same as takes to run a government. The military is a branch of the government really and by the time you reach the status of en Eisenhower or a Grant you are in politics anyway. The other issue I have is this portrayal of Trump as a "successful" businessman. He just isn't. He is not self made. He has not increased the wealth he inherited. By any objective measure he cannot be defined as successful

 

[brightmoon]

My own personal belief about the Second Amendment is that it is in place for the States to protect themselves from the Feds. (Fitting that he quoted Lincoln btw...) It is only logical that if you are using a gun in such a situation that you would kill a member of the government, be that from the lowly pawn on the battlefield all the way to the highest seat of authority. So obviously yes, what do you think the Amendment is there for?

So the Second Amendment serves as justification for political assassination of an elected official? Is that what are saying?

 

[acd]

Link: Donald Trump Sounds Way Better as Futurama Blowhard Zapp Brannigan

 

[the]

I'm not saying its childs play to run a business, but it also needs to be said that the same skills it takes to run a business are not the same as takes to run a government. The military is a branch of the government really and by the time you reach the status of en Eisenhower or a Grant you are in politics anyway. The other issue I have is this portrayal of Trump as a "successful" businessman. He just isn't. He is not self made. He has not increased the wealth he inherited. By any objective measure he cannot be defined as successful

What do you think are the required skills for running a business? How about being president?

Also, you are deflecting from the actual point I've made which is Hillary has already done bad things, so you know she'll do them again, where as Donald just talks rudely; and somehow we should overlook Hilary's track record but not Donald's rudeness.

 

[the]

So the Second Amendment serves as justification for political assassination of an elected official? Is that what are saying?

No, reread my post.

 

[brightmoon]

What do you think are the required skills for running a business? How about being president?

Also, you are deflecting from the actual point I've made which is Hillary has already done bad things, so you know she'll do them again, where as Donald just talks rudely; and somehow we should overlook Hilary's track record but not Donald's rudeness.

And you are the one who is deflecting. Its not a matter of "talking rudely" (that greatly minimizes the dangerous policies he has proposed) the policies Trump proposes endanger the country. Honestly are you suggesting that what he says doesn't matter? What are the things that Hillary has done that are so terrible anyway? Benghazi? E-mails? Nothing that previous administrations haven't done. I'm not saying she is the perfect candidate but at least she is stable and know what she is talking about.

 

[brightmoon]

What do you think are the required skills for running a business? How about being president?

An example in business if you tell an employee to do something they have to do it or they are fired. They really can't say no to you. You tell Mexico to build a wall and they are going to pay for it. What happens if they say NO? How can you force a sovereign nation to do something they don't want to do? Go to war? Launch a trade war? What impacts does this have on your country? Do you really understand what that means?

 

[the]

And you are the one who is deflecting. Its not a matter of "talking rudely" (that greatly minimizes the dangerous policies he has proposed) the policies Trump proposes endanger the country. Honestly are you suggesting that what he says doesn't matter? What are the things that Hillary has done that are so terrible anyway? Benghazi? E-mails? Nothing that previous administrations haven't done. I'm not saying she is the perfect candidate but at least she is stable and know what she is talking about.

Such an "I know you are but what am I?" response.

 

[the]

An example in business if you tell an employee to do something they have to do it or they are fired. They really can't say no to you. You tell Mexico to build a wall and they are going to pay for it. What happens if they say NO? How can you force a sovereign nation to do something they don't want to do? Go to war? Launch a trade war? What impacts does this have on your country? Do you really understand what that means?

Another deflecting answer.

 

[brightmoon]

Hillary is qualified by temperament and experience to hold the office. The Trump is a "blank slate argument" (because he hasn't had experience) doesn't hold water and doesn't make him more qualified or worthy of the office than her. Sorry. Logical fallacy.

 

[Skarekrow]

Dude...if I made a list of self-righteous people, you would make the top 3.
Once again...you have no facts to counter anything I wrote...just personal attacks or turning up your nose.
I readily admit there is much I have to learn, and I will continue to admit that until the day I die.
You have something sticking out of your eye my friend.

Now, can we get back to the actual subject instead of doing the this dance?

 

[Skarekrow]

Just me is bringing up a great point that scarecrow is ignoring. Trump is totally fucked in what he says, yes. But Hillary has already shown how fucked up she is by her past deeds. You don't want to bet on trump but the assumption is that you are all in with Hillary - of whom there is no doubt she will continue doing totally fucked up shit.

This is what I wrote -

"I’m not saying Hillary is going to be a good President.
I’m sure while Congress is controlled by the GOP they will obstruct her at every turn like they did Obama to try and make her look like a lame duck.
I’m saying that Trump is a wager I’m not willing to put money on.
Nor do I think we should be wagering the fate of our nation and our children to his egomaniacal lunacy.”

I’m not ignoring anything...I personally think she’s a piece of shit.
But also I personally think Trump is a bigger piece of shit.
So...I voting for the smaller piece of shit.
I am not happy nor supportive in her run for the Presidency in any way other than I believe Trump is a retarded asshole.
Please don’t tell me what I am assuming or ignoring...that’s purely an assumption.

 

[the]

This is what I wrote -

"I’m not saying Hillary is going to be a good President.
I’m sure while Congress is controlled by the GOP they will obstruct her at every turn like they did Obama to try and make her look like a lame duck.
I’m saying that Trump is a wager I’m not willing to put money on.
Nor do I think we should be wagering the fate of our nation and our children to his egomaniacal lunacy.”

I’m not ignoring anything...I personally think she’s a piece of shit.
But also I personally think Trump is a bigger piece of shit.
So...I voting for the smaller piece of shit.
I am not happy nor supportive in her run for the Presidency in any way other than I believe Trump is a retarded asshole.
Please don’t tell me what I am assuming or ignoring...that’s purely an assumption.

Yes I correctly read your post. You know that Hillary has done shitty things but you would rather vote for the person who does shitty things than for the person who will maybe do shitty things. Also strange is that you will vote for a piece of shit, as long as it is a small piece.

 

[invisible]

What do you think are the required skills for running a business? How about being president?

Also, you are deflecting from the actual point I've made which is Hillary has already done bad things, so you know she'll do them again, where as Donald just talks rudely; and somehow we should overlook Hilary's track record but not Donald's rudeness.

If there is a problem with the way that he's talking, it's not that it's impolite, it's that it's undiplomatic. Regardless of whether it is simply a matter of proper etiquette or not, he seems to struggle very seriously with diplomacy. He is brash and intemperate in his ways of approaching political issues and relationships. He is so clumsy that he seems to be unable to avoid constantly alienating new people or groups of people. I hesitate to conclude that he is foolish from all of his political blundering, but that's what it seems like to me.

I also think that the biggest problem is not his total diplomatic incompetence. Suggesting that all he has done wrong is to talk rudely, and that is the main concern here, is to suggest that his political policies are meaningless, or even more worryingly that they are nonexistent. He is running for President, and that means being judged on his plans for the country. His rude talk is directly related to the things that he intends to do, which seem largely aimed at reinforcing division and inequality in domestic and international society and politics.