[INFJ] This will make you rage

Roses In The Vineyard said:
The worst of it is those who are responsible don't realize this and intends on driving this country to the brink even if it means civil war to push their woke politics at any cost be it their own or everyone else for that matter. The smaller communities certainty been black pilled by the whole experience and obviously arming themselves but I do worry that the balkanization is going to do irreversible damage. This November onwards into 2021 is going to be a rough ride.
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Nah, we've been through much worse as a country. Keep calm and carry on.
 
Reason said:
Nah, we've been through much worse as a country. Keep calm and carry on.
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You know shit ain't right when you have footage of a dude shooting at an officer and the officer simply defending himself,
and yet citizens are outraged.

I said this from the outset: this won't be resolved until we have a way to simply neutralize threats in a non violent way
Tasers are a good start, but we need something better like a ray gun that instantly incapacitates people
 
Wyote said:
You know shit ain't right when you have footage of a dude shooting at an officer and the officer simply defending himself,
and yet citizens are outraged.

I said this from the outset: this won't be resolved until we have a way to simply neutralize threats in a non violent way
Tasers are a good start, but we need something better like a ray gun that instantly incapacitates people
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Wyote said:
You know shit ain't right when you have footage of a dude shooting at an officer and the officer simply defending himself,
and yet citizens are outraged.

I said this from the outset: this won't be resolved until we have a way to simply neutralize threats in a non violent way
Tasers are a good start, but we need something better like a ray gun that instantly incapacitates people
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Like Peter Parker's Web
 
Wyote said:
You know shit ain't right when you have footage of a dude shooting at an officer and the officer simply defending himself,
and yet citizens are outraged.

I said this from the outset: this won't be resolved until we have a way to simply neutralize threats in a non violent way
Tasers are a good start, but we need something better like a ray gun that instantly incapacitates people
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This resonates.

My friend and I were talking the other day and I was saying how what's so frustrating about politics is that you're not allowed to have a different opinion without someone moralizing you for it. If you don't agree with someone 100% all of the sudden you become the enemy even though you fundamentally agree on the end goal, just not the approach.

This sort of nuance you're talking about in my experience really upsets people. If you say anything that contradicts the main narrative there's no room for conversation; you just get shut down.

Earlier in this thread when I came in talking about cops and trying to understand their perspective I wasn't defending them. If you're trying to solve a problem you have to look at it from all angles because the problem doesn't exist from one side. There's reasons why things happen and you have to understand them to dissolve them.

There's this quote I like,

"It's easier to tear down than to build up"

It's so easy to say "the police system is broken! Let's destroy it!" And people wanna say that because"hey let's build this and fix it and make it better" is much harder. The response is,

"Oh we tried fixing it, that hasn't worked, so we have to destroy it"

This approach doesn't make any sense. I've had problems in my life that I've tried to solve and failed over and over again. I try a new way to solve it. I don't think, oh, my computer has some issue, let's just DESTROY it.

Sorry wyote I started rambling
 
slant said:
This sort of nuance you're talking about in my experience really upsets people. If you say anything that contradicts the main narrative there's no room for conversation; you just get shut down.
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This is the center of things I think. What's disappointing/frustrating/destructive is the injection of identitatrian politics into the US political discourse.
Instead of being shunned it's been fully embraced and is being used for political gain at every level now.
This only serves as a way of dividing people and making actual productive policy discussions an impossibility.
Now we have to consider where/who any particular argument/idea is coming from and judge it accordingly before even considering it as viable.
And so this makes the main narrative (whatever that ends up being) impossible to question, ultimately.
Scary shit, imo.

I am sounding more and more like a right winger all the time, but that just shows you how far off the deep end the left have gone.
 
Wyote said:
This is the center of things I think. What's disappointing/frustrating/destructive is the injection of identitatrian politics into the US political discourse.
Instead of being shunned it's been fully embraced and is being used for political gain at every level now.
This only serves as a way of dividing people and making actual productive policy discussions an impossibility.
Now we have to consider where/who any particular argument/idea is coming from and judge it accordingly before even considering it as viable.
And so this makes the main narrative (whatever that ends up being) impossible to question, ultimately.
Scary shit, imo.

I am sounding more and more like a right winger all the time, but that just shows you how far off the deep end the left have gone.
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Divide and conquer...
 
slant said:
It's so easy to say "the police system is broken! Let's destroy it!" And people wanna say that because"hey let's build this and fix it and make it better" is much harder. The response is,

"Oh we tried fixing it, that hasn't worked, so we have to destroy it"

This approach doesn't make any sense. I've had problems in my life that I've tried to solve and failed over and over again. I try a new way to solve it. I don't think, oh, my computer has some issue, let's just DESTROY it.
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I get what your saying, at first I thought the same thing but when I looked more into it, it makes sense why people are calling for abolition. It's much bigger than most of us even know (and that's on purpose.) The policing system is not broken, it is functioning exactly how it was meant to function, it has just evolved over time. If the foundation was made bad the whole structure is bound to be bad, you have to start again from scratch right? (Also one analogy doesn't work for every situation) This why police reform doesn't work, the officers know what they are doing, they know how not to shoot first and ask questions later. And body cams are turned off, destroyed, or the footage is not even presented to the public. It just means even more money is going to policing where it can be used much better elsewhere in community development and other more important things. Plus, we are calling for a different system than what we have in place, no just leave a hole. I recommend watching the documentary 13th and reading The New Jim Crow to learn about the history of policing and how it all started with slave patrols.

Many, many articles and stories from about former cops being punished for speaking out and trying to do good here is one:
https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard-cop-bb14d17bc759)

Also good:
 
CuriousB said:
I get what your saying, at first I thought the same thing but when I looked more into it, it makes sense why people are calling for abolition. It's much bigger than most of us even know (and that's on purpose.) The policing system is not broken, it is functioning exactly how it was meant to function, it has just evolved over time. If the foundation was made bad the whole structure is bound to be bad, you have to start again from scratch right? (Also one analogy doesn't work for every situation) This why police reform doesn't work, the officers know what they are doing, they know how not to shoot first and ask questions later. And body cams are turned off, destroyed, or the footage is not even presented to the public. It just means even more money is going to policing where it can be used much better elsewhere in community development and other more important things. Plus, we are calling for a different system than what we have in place, no just leave a hole. I recommend watching the documentary 13th and reading The New Jim Crow to learn about the history of policing and how it all started with slave patrols.

Many, many articles and stories from about former cops being punished for speaking out and trying to do good here is one:
https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard-cop-bb14d17bc759)

Also good:
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Agree to disagree
 
CuriousB said:
you have to start again from scratch right?
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Wrong. Though sometimes it is preferable in certain circumstances.
Which it isn't in this case. Things do need to change, and will change, gradually.
Law enforcement is not intrinsically a racially motivated system, and quite frankly insinuating that it is is ignorant and dangerous.
 
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