UK General Election 2019

Who you a-votin' fer?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Labour

    Votes: 1 33.3%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Green

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • SNP

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Monster Raving Loony Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Dunno

    Votes: 1 33.3%

  • I'll be spoiling my ballot

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I'll be soiling my ballot

    Votes: 1 33.3%

  • I shan't be voting, no sir!

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    3
  • Poll closed .
John K said:
It’s seen as EUseless by lots of Brits, rightly or wrongly. I bet Brexit makes little real difference in the medium term.
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Honestly all these years of squabble around Brexit proves to me that the problem may not be entirely on the EU side lol.

UK: We should leave the EU! They're corrupt and waste our time and money!
Also UK: *wastes time and money*
:D
 
Lady Jolanda said:
Honestly all these years of squabble around Brexit proves to me that the problem may not be entirely on the EU side lol.

UK: We should leave the EU! They're corrupt and waste our time and money!
Also UK: *wastes time and money*
:D
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Our governments are pretty useless. The main reason thinking people dislike the EU is because it’s undemocratic, and also seems to be designed to transfer wealth from poorer southern countries to rich northern ones through unfavourable exchange rates that mainly benefit Germany. But there’s lots of plus sides too.
 
I'm always curious about how the popular vote breaks down in the context of the peculiarities of our electoral system, so I mocked this up:
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Broadly, 'The Left' won the popular vote (even just counting Labour, SNP & Lib Dems), highlighting the problems it has in the UK with vote-splitting.
 
Deleted member 16771 said:
I never gave a fuck about the actual execution of the EU - for me it was about civilizational identity and historical trajectory.
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You left out Geman hegemony though :fearscream:
Joking aside, I think this issue of identity is very significant, and hasn't been addressed in any of the debates. We should not decide these major consitutional issues on unstable simple majority referendum results - it should need a 2/3 majority to make sure the nation isn't badly polarised by a narrow win on a 50/50 majority.
 
John K said:
You left out Geman hegemony though :fearscream:
Joking aside, I think this issue of identity is very significant, and hasn't been addressed in any of the debates. We should not decide these major consitutional issues on unstable simple majority referendum results - it should need a 2/3 majority to make sure the nation isn't badly polarised by a narrow win on a 50/50 majority.
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I completely agree, John. Fundamental constitutional changes set multi-generational trajectories, and simple majority referenda aren't an appropriate means of deciding them imo.
 
philostam said:
That's interesting, can you expand a bit?
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A simple way of expressing this is to compare me and my wife with our sons. My wife and I (boomer generation) identify with Britain. Our parents fought in WW2 and our grandparents in WW1 and to them Europe was a place on the other side of the English Channel that was a risk and a nuisance that cost us many, many lives. Our sons - 36 and 41 - see themselves as European, not British and feel that Brexit is resulting in them losing part of themselves and their opportunities. It's more complex than this of course - for example, EU freedom of movement has resulted in a lot of immigration to the UK from Eastern Europe by folks who are happy to take much lower pay than UK people in quite a few of the more mundane types of job. They have concentrated in particular places and the people living there feel they are being displaced by foreigners who are taking their jobs. Whether or not this is a real issue, it's irrational to blame the EU because there seem to me to be more people who have come here from the Indian subcontinent than from the EU even though there is no freedom of movement with those countries and the UK.
 
John K said:
A simple way of expressing this is to compare me and my wife with our sons. My wife and I (boomer generation) identify with Britain. Our parents fought in WW2 and our grandparents in WW1 and to them Europe was a place on the other side of the English Channel that was a risk and a nuisance that cost us many, many lives. Our sons - 36 and 41 - see themselves as European, not British and feel that Brexit is resulting in them losing part of themselves and their opportunities. It's more complex than this of course - for example, EU freedom of movement has resulted in a lot of immigration to the UK from Eastern Europe by folks who are happy to take much lower pay than UK people in quite a few of the more mundane types of job. They have concentrated in particular places and the people living there feel they are being displaced by foreigners who are taking their jobs. Whether or not this is a real issue, it's irrational to blame the EU because there seem to me to be more people who have come here from the Indian subcontinent than from the EU even though there is no freedom of movement with those countries and the UK.
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I see. That reminds me of this (wait for the punchline at the end):

 
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