YELLOWSTONE ANIMALS FLEEING PARK. SUPERVOLCANO ERUPTION IMMINENT?

[muir]

We'll know soon enough I guess. It's not like we can up and evacuate 15-20 states which are each the size of some small countries.

If it's gonna happen then those buffalo aren't going to get away. Stop running, you'll just die tired.

I don't agree with that

If i was living in the danger zone i would rather have advance warning so that at least i had the opportunity to make a decision over my future

If the authorities have information they should release it to the public. The public are not children and should be permitted to make their own minds up about matters

 

[sprinkles]

I don't agree with that

If i was living in the danger zone i would rather have advance warning so that at least i had the opportunity to make a decision over my future

If the authorities have information they should release it to the public. The public are not children and should be permitted to make their own minds up about matters

Well if the animals were really running from it, it probably would have happened by now. I don't think ANYBODY really believed that. Like this is some kind of game.

Half of me wants it to happen though so people will learn to not dick around with rumors that might come true.

 

[muir]

I'll give you an example of the kind of choices we can make

A number of years ago on this forum i had a debate with someone about nuclear power. I argued strongly that nuclear power was neither clean NOR safe whilst the person i debated with argued that nuclear power was both safe and clean

After this the fukishima event occured

Now yellowstone will go off at some point...i have no idea if it will be in the near future, but fukishima HAS gone off and IS already spewing toxic substances into the environment

After this event the Germans stopped any further nuclear developments in Germany...very sensible

In my country (the UK) on the other hand the Tory government announced they would be building new nuclear power stations! It has been in the news recently that there are various nuclear facilites around the world leaking radiation including Sellafield in the UK, yet some people continue to argue nuclear power is 'safe'

In Dounreay in the north of the UK radiation has been found on the surrounding beaches

Also when people argue the cheap costs of nuclear power they never seem to factor in the £3 billion pounds it takes to decommission a nuclear power plant after its 20 year life or the cost of waste management. If the UK government build 10 new stations they will be hit with a £30 billion bill down the line to decommission the stations

The truth is that there are powerful corporations who profit from these stations and they fund the campaigns of the politicians who support them

So an example of how people can take their own destiny into their own hands would be a strong rejection of any more nuclear power plants.

Yellowstone is a natural event however the response to it will be a human response

 

[muir]

Well if the animals were really running from it, it probably would have happened by now. I don't think ANYBODY really believed that. Like this is some kind of game.

Half of me wants it to happen though so people will learn to not dick around with rumors that might come true.

I'm not sure about the animal exodus aspect of this; i am aware the bison move around looking for food and sometimes go to the periphery of the park to find it (although i am not discounting animal activity...they do have a sensitivity to that sort of thing)

I would look more to the activity occuring around the pacific fire rim

http://larouchepac.com/node/21315

The Schmidt Institute of Physics of the Earth (IPE) in Moscow, issued a report over this past weekend, that warns that the 6.2-magnitude earthquake that struck the Chiapas region of Mexico Saturday (centered southwest off the coast, Jan. 21, 41 miles deep), is a "potential precursor" to a mega-quake of at least 7.5 to 8.3 magnitude, that could hit soon in the Mexico-U.S. Pacific border zone.
The IPE took the Chiapas quake into consideration with many other seismic events, including, for example, a Jan. 18 quake of 4.1 magnitude, which hit the Mexican Baja peninsula, and several others of certain locations and times. It has been noted that there are heightened atmospheric temperatures present associated with the Chiapas and other quakes, which would not "normally" be expected to occur.
In addition, the IPE report points out that there are grounds for more concern, given that a 7.2-magnitude earthquake hit northern Baja California on April 4, 2010, which was the first big earthquake to occur on this particular fault system since 1892, and it links Mexico's seismic zone to California's massive fault system, thus pointing to a "reawakening" of this region's potential for catastrophic seismic/volcanic occurences.
The IPE report states that their conclusions have been confirmed by their using the latest information obtained from the Moderate-Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) satellite operated by NASA and available for viewing.
It is noted that heating of the atmosphere — extreme heating, or rapid heating — above earthquake zones is now believed to be an accurate predictor of major earthquake activity as was documented prior to the Great Japan Earthquake and Tsunami of 2011. Before the March 11 quake struck, the total electron content in a part of the upper atmosphere, called the ionosphere, increased dramatically over the earthquake's epicenter, reaching a maximum three days before the quake struck.
Another warning comes from forecaster Jim Berkland, about the likelihood of a 7- or greater-magnitude quake for this general Pacific-coast border area by the end of the month.
LPAC maintains a current look-up page on "Latest Earthquake Activity" (from the US Geological Survey) in the Weather section. You can see that up until about a week ago, the situation was relatively quiet. Then the pace and intensity of activity exploded, with incidents in the Aleutians, Mexico, Chile, the Caribbean, and around the rim

 

[sprinkles]

[MENTION=1871]muir[/MENTION]

Well maybe it's time for earth to teach humans who is boss. I wouldn't mind seeing the world burn a little bit.

Go Earth! Kick their asses!

You may find that harsh but shit happens and humans need to learn that they don't rule everything and that death and random destruction is still a part of nature.

 

[muir]

@muir

Well maybe it's time for earth to teach humans who is boss. I wouldn't mind seeing the world burn a little bit.

Go Earth! Kick their asses!

You may find that harsh but shit happens and humans need to learn that they don't rule everything and that death and random destruction is still a part of nature.

I just don't think the majority of humanity are that consciously malevolent; i think a handful of people are that malevolent and that they are behind most of the problems

The mass of humanity does need to start taking responsibility off that handful of people though; also as the mass of humanity becomes more consciously aware of that dynamic then i believe their culpability grows

You seem to be interested in technology sprinkles; have you looked into HAARP and how it can affect the ionosphere and the belief among many that it can be used to create weather events such as storms, tornados and even earthquakes?

 

[sprinkles]

I just don't think the majority of humanity are that consciously malevolent; i think a handful of people are that malevolent and that they are behind most of the problems

The mass of humanity does need to start taking responsibility off that handful of people though; also as the mass of humanity becomes more consciously aware of that dynamic then i believe their culpability grows

You seem to be interested in technology sprinkles; have you looked into HAARP and how it can affect the ionosphere and the belief among many that it can be used to create weather events such as storms, tornados and even earthquakes?

Consciously malevolent or not. I can't blame them for their ignorance but I'm sure not gonna cry either if this blows up. It'll be educational, if anyone survives.

Also I know about HAARP and I'll not discuss that with you. Leave me alone please.

 

[muir]

Ok

I might post some more in this thread though but it won't be directed at you

 

[muir]

http://www.naturalnews.com/032670_Fukushima_HAARP.html

[h=1]New NASA research points to possible HAARP connection in Japan earthquake, tsunami[/h]

Recent data released by Dimitar Ouzounov and colleagues from the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland highlights some strange atmospheric anomalies over Japan just days before the massive earthquake and tsunami struck on March 11. Seemingly inexplicable and rapid heating of the ionosphere directly above the epicenter reached a maximum only three days prior to the quake, according to satellite observations, suggesting that directed energy emitted from transmitters used in the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) may have been responsible for inducing the quake.

Published in the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) publication Technology Review, the findings are presented alongside a different theory called Lithosphere-Atmosphere-Ionosphere Coupling, which hypothesizes that the heating in the ionosphere may have been caused by the impending earthquake as the fault line released radioactive radon. This theory, of course, is not actually proven, but is instead presented as a possible explanation for the presence of the high-density electrons and emitted infrared radiation that was observed.

Another explanation for this strange heating -- and one that, upon analysis, seems much more likely -- is that it was an indication that concentrated energy was used to induce the earthquake, and not the other way around. Numerous credible reports and scientific observations reveal that HAARP technology is fully capable of being used as a scalar weapon, meaning it can emit strong electromagnetic pulse bombs that can alter weather or trigger seismic fault lines.

[h=1]Evidence that HAARP is not only capable of inducing earthquakes, but that it appears to have been used on Japan[/h]A casual glance at the graphics presented as part of Ouzounov's research data shows near-perfect heat rings present above the epicenter of the quake. If radon emissions from the fault line were truly responsible for creating these heat zones, they would more than likely have had irregular, scattered appearances, rather than concentric circles. This anomaly by itself debunks the theory that the impending earthquake caused the heat patterns.

Also, readings from the HAARP Induction Magnetometer, which visualizes the frequency spectrum of signals detected in the earth's geomagnetic field, show that a steady, ultra-low frequency (ULF) of roughly 2.5 Hz was being broadcast days before the earthquake. The 2.5 Hz ULF happens to be the exact same frequency as the natural resonance produced by an earthquake -- and since there were no constant earthquakes occurring on the days before the quake as the HAARP Induction Magnetometer appeared to indicate, the logical conclusion is that the signal was being broadcast to induce the quake (http://presscore.ca/2011/?p=1624).

Some would argue that HAARP is not capable of producing such frequencies, especially at the power levels that would be required to induce a massive earthquake like the 9.0+ that occurred in Japan. But testimony by various governments says otherwise.

On April 28, 1997, then US Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen gave an important keynote address at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and US Strategy at the University of Georgia in Athens. When asked a question about terrorism, Cohen had this to say as part of his response about the type of technology that existed, even back then:

"Others are engaging even in an eco-type terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves" (http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcrip...).

This admission counters the claims made by some that no such technology exists, and that it is impossible to create seismic activity using directed energy. Clearly the technology has been around for a while, and the notion of it being used as a weapon is anything but a baseless conspiracy theory.

Then, there is the EU report on the environment, security and foreign policy, that was released on January 14, 1999 (http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.d...). This report outlines various types of weapon threats, including a section entitled, "HAARP - a weapons system which disrupts the climate."

The paper explains that HAARP is "run jointly by the US Air Force and Navy," and that one of its purposes is "to heat up portions of ionosphere with powerful radio beams." It also states the following important details:

"HAARP can be used for many purposes. Enormous quantities of energy can be controlled by manipulating the electrical characteristics of the atmosphere. If used as a military weapon this can have a devastating impact on an enemy. HAARP can deliver millions of times more energy to a given area than any other conventional transmitter. The energy can also be aimed at a moving target which should constitute a potential anti-missile system."

Later references to HAARP describe it as "a matter of global concern," emphasizing that most people have no idea it even exists. This was written, of course, more than a decade ago -- and yet not much has changed since that time, despite several pushes to make HAARP more transparent. But if HAARP is truly responsible for helping to induce some of the seemingly natural disasters that occur in the world, it is no surprise that the program continues to be kept largely under wraps.

You can view the HAARP Fluxgate Magnetometer for yourself at the following link:
http://maestro.haarp.alaska.edu/cgi-bin/scma...

Sources for this story include:

http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/2...

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[Eventhorizon]

It would very much be a global thing, and totally non-manipulable with our current level of technology. I disagree with the "not an extinction-level event" bit, but that's neither here nor there. It would be everybody's problem, of that much we can be certain from our observation of sizable volcanic eruptions in the past.

Its easy enough to find information on this. How big eruptions like this have been in the past, the effect it had on global climate at the time. Krakatoa, or an eruption like that, one thousands of times smaller than what the super volcano has been in the past brought a year long winter to DC at the time. Im just going off memory so I may have the name of the volcano that did that wrong. A quick search on the internet should bring it up. I may try to find it when I have more time.

 

[sprinkles]

[MENTION=1871]muir[/MENTION]

I said leave me alone but now I changed my mind. I'm not bothered.

Do you believe that a laser could cause an earthquake?

Mechanical resonance is a thing. It could possibly cause earthquakes. Resonance has ripped planes apart, caused structures to fall, and there have been a couple cases where the vibration of soldiers marching across a bridge caused the bridge to collapse due to their timed marching step causing a resonance.

However, does light cause mechanical resonance? Yes, it has a frequency, but does this induce mechanical vibration?

Light does exert a small force. Consider a large solar sail. In the dead of space with no atmosphere resistance, sunlight can push a very thin and light solar sail with about 5 newtons of force. 5 newtons is so small, it's about equivalent to the force you feel when you hold a plate with a hefty sandwich on it.

However, not all types of resonance are the same. Mechanical, electrical and atomic resonance are independent of each other - having one type doesn't necessarily translate into an equal amount of the other type. Do you still think a laser can cause mechanical resonance according to its electromagnetic frequency?

 

[sprinkles]

[MENTION=1871]muir[/MENTION]

Or put it this way.

If electromagnetic resonance translated into mechanical resonance, you'd be able to hear and feel radio waves. Using a cordless phone would disrupt the air in your house.

With all the EM shit we have bouncing around, if EM translated to mechanical resonance the planet and weather would already be wrecked from it!

 

[Eventhorizon]

Oh i'm fully aware of that

It's just i don't believe we are powerless

I think we each have choices we can make

i do find it interesting how you constantly attack me in an attempt to undermine my character rather than addressing anything i talk about

I believe that is called 'ad hominum'

I think your definition and my definition of attack vary greatly. This was an actual question in the attempt to help understand how my perception of the world differs from yours.

 

[SealHammer]

[MENTION=1871]muir[/MENTION]

Or put it this way.

If electromagnetic resonance translated into mechanical resonance, you'd be able to hear and feel radio waves. Using a cordless phone would disrupt the air in your house.

With all the EM shit we have bouncing around, if EM translated to mechanical resonance the planet and weather would already be wrecked from it!

Not to mention the fact that the movements of the earth's interior manipulating the ionosphere at least makes sense, whereas the idea that the movements of the ionosphere could manipulate the movements of the earth's interior is laughable.

 

[muir]

@muir

I said leave me alone but now I changed my mind. I'm not bothered.

Do you believe that a laser could cause an earthquake?

Mechanical resonance is a thing. It could possibly cause earthquakes. Resonance has ripped planes apart, caused structures to fall, and there have been a couple cases where the vibration of soldiers marching across a bridge caused the bridge to collapse due to their timed marching step causing a resonance.

However, does light cause mechanical resonance? Yes, it has a frequency, but does this induce mechanical vibration?

Light does exert a small force. Consider a large solar sail. In the dead of space with no atmosphere resistance, sunlight can push a very thin and light solar sail with about 5 newtons of force. 5 newtons is so small, it's about equivalent to the force you feel when you hold a plate with a hefty sandwich on it.

However, not all types of resonance are the same. Mechanical, electrical and atomic resonance are independent of each other - having one type doesn't necessarily translate into an equal amount of the other type. Do you still think a laser can cause mechanical resonance according to its electromagnetic frequency?

You sound like you know more about it than me to be honest sprinkles

I do believe that the point of HAARP is to affect the ionosphere to cause some sort of effect

Unfortunately it seems that the case with cutting edge science is that the military always pay close attention as they are looking to weaponise things to gain an advantage over their enemies

I think that whatever HAARP does its potential for military applications will not be lost on the military

Personally i believe that the military industrial complex are the driving force behind HAARP and yes i personally believe that it can be used to create changes in weather and even earthquakes

There are even more brutal ways to create things like tsunamis; all someone would need to do would be to lay a nuclear device on the sea bed using a submarine and then detonate it and boom: made to measure tsunami

I think the greatest protection for the public against certain elements in society using these technologies for nefarious purposes is awareness; they will only do what they think they can get away with. To this end they try to maintain 'plausible deniability' so using something like weather eg manufactured draughts are the perfect weapon because they can deny its them whereas if they launch a missile people can blame them and retaliate

This all ties into the whole 'climate change' debate which the globalists want to use to usher in the global government they want to create) they need a crisis to get people to agree to their idea of global government)

 

[muir]

@muir

Or put it this way.

If electromagnetic resonance translated into mechanical resonance, you'd be able to hear and feel radio waves. Using a cordless phone would disrupt the air in your house.

With all the EM shit we have bouncing around, if EM translated to mechanical resonance the planet and weather would already be wrecked from it!

Some people ARE reporting physical effects from electromagnetic radiation; some say they can feel it

Scientists can gravitate objects using sound waves

RF frequency radiation has been shown to be detrimental to health for example with children being warned not use mobile phones because of their thinner skulls being less able to protect their brains

Our entire reality is frequency so anything that affects frequency is going to produce some effect

Some people believe that things like HAARP grew out of the work of Tesla which the military industrial complex grabbed when they raided his laboratory and stole his papers

 

[muir]

I think your definition and my definition of attack vary greatly. This was an actual question in the attempt to help understand how my perception of the world differs from yours.

That's not how i perceive it because you keep doing it

If you want to understand my perception of the world then look at the information i am presenting and maybe even do some of your own reading into it and you will soon understand why i'm saying what i'm saying

 

[muir]

Not to mention the fact that the movements of the earth's interior manipulating the ionosphere at least makes sense, whereas the idea that the movements of the ionosphere could manipulate the movements of the earth's interior is laughable.

That depends on where the limits of what is possible are in your mind

Often we are told what is possible by others but the truth is that science has not been able to adequately describe the nature of reality...so really it seems a bad idea imo to place limits on possibility when you don't know yet what those limits are

 

[sprinkles]

Some people ARE reporting physical effects from electromagnetic radiation; some say they can feel it

Yes. You can 'feel' it from the damaging effect it has on your body. I'm speaking of a mechanical tactile feeling, such as feeling a breeze, or somebody pushing you.

Scientists can gravitate objects using sound waves

Sound waves are mechanical waves. EM waves are not.

RF frequency radiation has been shown to be detrimental to health for example with chidren being warned not use mobile phones because of their thinner skulls being less able to protect their brains

Electromagnetic radiation does have health effects. EM resonance can also have to do with lightening - Schumann resonances - but this is made by lightning in the atmospheric wave guide between earth and the ionosphere, it doesn't cause lightning.

Our entire reality is frequency so anything that affects frequency is going to produce some effect

Yes, not all frequencies are made the same though.

Some people believe that things like HAARP grew out of the work of Tesla which the military industrial complex grabbed when they raided his laboratory and stole his papers

I'm not denying that HAARP could be used for nefarious purposes. Just not the same ones people accuse it of.

 

[muir]

Yes. You can 'feel' it from the damaging effect it has on your body. I'm speaking of a mechanical tactile feeling, such as feeling a breeze, or somebody pushing you.


Sound waves are mechanical waves. EM waves are not.


Electromagnetic radiation does have health effects. EM resonance can also have to do with lightening - Schumann resonances - but this is made by lightning in the atmospheric wave guide between earth and the ionosphere, it doesn't cause lightning.


Yes, not all frequencies are made the same though.


I'm not denying that HAARP could be used for nefarious purposes. Just not the same ones people accuse it of.

I found this video about it:

[video=youtube;KjkT9wy4AZ0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjkT9wy4AZ0[/video]